Favourite Star Trek captain?

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L.B. Jeffries

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I'm with Team Picard. Has this clip been shown yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg_cwI1Xj4M

"You're not married, you live alone, and you've never watched Star Trek? Good Lord."

Irrefutable proof that Picard is better.
 

Jamanticus

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Jamanticus said:
Molikroth said:
How can you guys talking about his command ability and diplomatic skill favour him over Jellico?
Picard is charismatic, no-nonsense, has a great voice, is very diplomatic (which is what the Federation is all about), and speaks with a British accent.
Jean Luc Picard isn't terribly British though :)
Quite true.... I think Roddenberry originally wanted him to have an accent to go along with the name, but the producers argued with him for months, saying that Stewart was the best person for the role.

....I guess they never got around to changing Picard's name.......
 

Vivaldi

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Eyclonus said:
Picard: "Shut up Wesley."
Perfect...

Anyways, Picard for a variety of reasons.

But all of you must concede the point that Kirk had the best name. I mean seriously, JAMES TIBERIUS KIRK for goodness sakes.
 

Wyatt

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what is this thing for Jellico? if you think he makes a great Star Trek captain than you have clearly missed the whole point of Star Trek.

Jellico would be a great captain in any Navy in the world but Star Fleet isnt a Navy. its MAIN mission is exploration and diplomacy not fighting battles.

all the things the crew 'bitched' about were set up that way by Picard for a reason, there is more to runing a ship on full time exploration duty than making sure the weapons worked at 110% along with the engines and screw everything else.

i will admit that they came off a bit poorly given the situation, when your almost sure to be going into a battle than a guy like Jellico is someone you would want in the big seat. and his changes made alot of sence given the situation, and i totaly agree that the crew came off looking like halfwhits, all the things Jellico wanted to change were most likley good ideas given that the Enterprise was about to become a ship of war, the crew faild to relize this and act on it in my opinion.

there is however no doubt in my mind that had Picard been in charge instead of Jellico all those changes would have been made and MORE, because instead of coming off as a tin plated dictator picard would had called the officers together, told em what was going on, asked for ideas and they would have built a fleet of Galaxy class ships out of some tinfoil and old socks. and all of that would have been done without one harsh word or snide comment from anyone.

i like Jellico but if you know the entire society that Star Trek takes place in you dont see him as a hard charging kick ass captain you see him as a link too a barbaric past. Jellico would fit right in today in charge of one of our Navys ships but hes not the type of commander that Star Fleet turns out. they are better than that, better than him.
 

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well, Picard i think, i mean you wavent watched this? http://youtube.com/watch?v=X6oUz1v17Uo&feature=related
 

perfectimo

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Molikroth said:
First off -
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1661/theescapistsearchresultqp3.png
Go away, post-count whores.
I hate to be the first to notice but you searched the escapist not the forums... anywho.

My favourite Captain is Kirk. He was the most dedicated to his ship and he was an actual person who would put himself in harms way. I didn't like Picard, "Self-destruct".
 

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I was always a Janeway fan. Loved Voyager. Picard is pretty awesome though. Never liked Kirk except in the later movies. Probably because I didn't like Shatner until he was older.
 

poleboy

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Picard.

I love Patrick Stewart, and the character is great. He has a commanding presence, he rarely flips on any issues, and when he's in doubt about something, he sits in the captain's quarters and broods about it with a cuppa tea instead of asking the crew for advice. Now that's manly!
 

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Darth Mobius said:
BEST. COMMAND HOLOGRAM. EVER!

Still torn between Picard (Raw manliness and Mental Prowess) and Janeway (Sheer badassery with something else... She is just awesome...)

Still not sure...
For the Doctor!!

Anyway, Kirk was a man's man (whom I would've let die by the Tribbles), Picard is okay, I was never aware the Sisko (shape-shifter guy?) was a captain, and Janeway...meh, I appreciated it when they toned her character down.
 

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Allow me to go down the list.

Picard As a character seems to be the most well rounded, competent and facinating. He is a scholar by nature, an explorer by passion and a warrior by circumstance. Perhaps because Roddenberry was no longer as directly active after the horrible first season of TNG Picard was far more of a captain than kirk.He was talented and knew how to get the job done but his greatest skill was picking and managing a crew that knew their jobs better than he did and delegating well. Picard is simply a well rounded and interesting character who does not insist upon or overstate himself. His charisma makes him a great leader but he is humble enough to know that it is only because of his crew that he can accomplish his missions.

Sisco a close second. He is a bit more flawed than picard,wise but without the added edge to that wisdom age produces. The whole messiah complex theme of the show never seemed to affect the character in a way that made him seem more like a man trying to do what was right. He simply wished to fulfill his duty to the federation and do right by his son. I imagine him being much the man Picard was at his age only with the lessons of fatherhood further tempering his disposition.

Next would normally be Sulu simply becasue he is cool but in the spirit of this thread I'm going to choose the next 'expected' captain in line and say Janeway. Now I love Strong female role models. Cat Cora ranks up there almost with Tolkien as a role model. Still She seems to insist upon her strength, especially in the early seasons where they deal with the chauvinistic aliens. Yes sombody needs to punch them but the best way to deal with it would simply have been to insist they deal with her as the ranking female and then force them to accept it. Don't insist, don't wear your ovaries on the outside, just be more human about it. I admit as a character she mellowed out a bit but then she just got that 'Xena implied bisexuality/Lesbian' thing writers of the time seemed to love and while I usually adore such a thing (God... Priss from Bubblegum crisis..) With her and Seven it never fit. She seemed like a good character with a fitting actress that simply fell prey to all the male writers either not knowing how to write the role properly or watching the warrior princess make out with Gabrielle too many times.

Until Enterprise Kirk would be placed here at the bottom. The man is incompetent, selfish, self centered, womanizing, immature child. He refuses to accept defeat past the point of commendable bravery, He insists on trying to do things himself even when he is less skilled. He has an obvious prejudice towards alien races even if that seems to be the norm at the time. I think Shatner did a poor job of playing the character but I don't think it was a character worth playing. Under This is, I feel, In part due to Roddenberry as it seems Star trek got more well rounded and complex the further away from him it moved. Kirk is the obvious exemplar of this because, well lets face it the man is an antiquated cowboy with plot armor going around in deep space seducing green chicks.

And yet sadly recent events have made a whole new bottom of the Barrel, Archer. I can't fully blame the actor or the role as both may be better in a setting that is not so utterly painful. Still Archer seems to be Kirk sans the interesting character development. The man Is bland as a piece of white bread dipped in water. For the most part it seems that his personality simply molds itself into being a reluctant or eager voice to back whatever course of action ends up taking place. He does almost nothing to galvanize his crew and aside from some kirk-like prejudice against Vulcan early on shows nothing of any particular note at all. At least Kirk had some suck to complain about. Archer is apparently suppsoed to be some massive historical figure, a galvanizing force to some inter-temporal civil war that makes him out to be a messiah or something. He fights it, he goes along with it. But its hard to see how he can draw together anything other than the fact that he is there at the time. He doesn't even have the bad personality to bash, he has no personality at all.

Thats my assessment anyways. Feel free to argue or point out why I am wrong if you wish. Its late and I'm tired but I felt I had to post this.
 

perfectimo

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Can I just put this out there and ask why there seems to be a "me too" vibe about saying Picard?
 

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perfectimo said:
Can I just put this out there and ask why there seems to be a "me too" vibe about saying Picard?
You like air yes? There's nothing 'Me too' about loving what you require and desire over all other things.

Picard is superior. Like sex, people will cry his name when asked what they want.
 

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Ultrajoe said:
perfectimo said:
Can I just put this out there and ask why there seems to be a "me too" vibe about saying Picard?
You like air yes? There's nothing 'Me too' about loving what you require and desire over all other things.

Picard is superior. Like sex, people will cry his name when asked what they want.
That is completely correct.

It is cool to like Picard (not because everyone else likes him, but because he merits it with his diplomacy and British accent, among other things) for Picard is fantastically awesome.

..............Have you ever watched anything with Picard in it, perfectimo?................If you have, then you'll see why so many people think he's awesome.
 

perfectimo

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Jamanticus said:
Ultrajoe said:
perfectimo said:
Can I just put this out there and ask why there seems to be a "me too" vibe about saying Picard?
You like air yes? There's nothing 'Me too' about loving what you require and desire over all other things.

Picard is superior. Like sex, people will cry his name when asked what they want.
That is completely correct.

It is cool to like Picard (not because everyone else likes him, but because he merits it with his diplomacy and British accent, among other things) for Picard is fantastically awesome.

..............Have you ever watched anything with Picard in it, perfectimo?................If you have, then you'll see why so many people think he's awesome.

I watched a couple of his Star Trek films, generations and something else. What I remember was: I didn't like his "I'm an uppity prick" attitude and the fact that he tried to blow up his own ship... again apparently. Now correct me if I'm wrong but a captain is meant to maintain the ship?
 

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perfectimo said:
I watched a couple of his Star Trek films, generations and something else. What I remember was: I didn't like his "I'm an uppity prick" attitude and the fact that he tried to blow up his own ship... again apparently. Now correct me if I'm wrong but a captain is meant to maintain the ship?
you are talking about First Contact. and he didnt WANT to blow up the ship, he HAD to. he actually wanted to keep his ship alive and take the borg on hand to hand. He also played ahab once
 

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jim_doki said:
perfectimo said:
I watched a couple of his Star Trek films, generations and something else. What I remember was: I didn't like his "I'm an uppity prick" attitude and the fact that he tried to blow up his own ship... again apparently. Now correct me if I'm wrong but a captain is meant to maintain the ship?
you are talking about First Contact. and he didnt WANT to blow up the ship, he HAD to. he actually wanted to keep his ship alive and take the borg on hand to hand. He also played ahab once
i shall continue this tomorrow maybe if the thread is still kicking. Night.