Feds bust 72 users of a child porn forum.

[BakaSmurf]

Fuck their situation. Even if they didn't make it, they still used it rather than calling the police as soon as they found it so that less kids would be hurt in the future. I have no pity for these 72 people, my sympathies will be with the real victims of this (the children).

It is understandable that you would be angry at them since children are quite precious and abusing them in such a way is disgusting. However, they cannot help it. They have a mental disorder and the same way a schizophrenic person cannot look past their delusions those people can't look past their attraction towards children.

Do not be mistaken, I am all for punishing those who subject children to this form of abuse. However, those who watch it have no blame at all. They have a mental illness and they need help, not punishment. Punishment will not deter them from looking at child porn in the future and punishment will not deter them from pursuing those urges even further than just looking at videos.

I'm not saying they're victims, I'm saying they're mentally ill. They need professional help, someone who can teach them how to resist those urges. A person with a mental illness will do things that seem illogical to healthy individuals. Still, show some compassion. The sick people who abused those children deserve to be in some way rehabilitated or if not possible punished but those who watched the videos deserve to be helped. They did not think logically and neither did they act knowingly. Remember, they suffer from a mental illness. Their actions are not their own and cannot be considered their own.

Those that made the videos of the children being tortured (and that is what those twisted fucks are doing to those children, they're torturing them) did so willingly and (undoubtedly gleefully) made the lives of those innocents a living hell. To say that they deserve any form of mercy is... Sickening. Do you truely believe that those that were put through an unwaking nightmare such as that, or any sane human being would want to know that those monsters that were performing, or those that pleasured themselves to the act, were allowed to walk free and live their lives unimpeded simply because they where, as you say, 'not in control of their actions?' A concept which is just bullshit, by the way.

They knew what they were doing when they trapped those children, they knew what they were doing when they were actively bringing harm to them, they were not controlled by 'something else,' to claim that they should get off because of 'urges' is just... Unrelentingly... I... I cannot even fathom a word to describe the... Primal... Rage such a concept instills within me. It is like claiming that a murderer should be allowed to be freed into society after a few weeks of 'rehibilitation' because they couldn't fight the 'urge' to do drive a knife into their neighbour's neck for refusing to lend them their lawn mower.

Everyone has urges, some less 'pure' than others, do you know what people do with those urges? They fight them, they resist and say 'no.' They don't allow a fucking chemical reaction in their mind to drive them to perform an inhuman act like rape or murder! Those that 'do' such as these beasts that molested these children are less than human for not only succumbing to one of these urges, but one that is so inhuman beyond belief.

Those that control themselves? Yes, help them, do everything within your power to aid those that realise how... 'Monsterous' is such an understatement... it would be to allow those urges to make them torture their fellow human beings in such a way.


...But the others?

Deliver swift, unrelenting justice for those that were wronged, anything else would be a grievous insult to those needlessly tortured children that suffered a form of Hell that no human being should ever have to experience, especially for the demented pleasure of an inhuman beast.

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So you think we should allow people to support and/or encourage the creation of child pornography for the sake of their personal liberty? That is madness.

Drawn stuff? Allowing people to wallow in their own mental illness, eventually that wont be enough and they'll move on.

These people need dedicated treatment.

The exact same thing could be said about gay people, and a while back gay people did get dedicated treatment, it just didn't help. I'm not saying it should be supported I'm just saying that pedophiles should be accepted as human beings not treated as the scum of the earth that should be thrown in jail for their entire life

Evidently you are failing to understand that the majority of the ire here is being directed at paedophilic rapists, those that force themselves on children.

Apart from that, being attracted to another consenting grown man in one thing, being attracted to an innocent child, and viewing child pornography (which directly and whole-heartedly promotes the sexual abuse of children) is something else entirely.

 

[cobra_ky]

as long as they don't hurt children why the fuck should anyone care what they masturbate to, you people make me sick, if a pedophile rapes or does something like that to a child lock him up for good but if a pedophile just faps to images of naked children WHY THE FUCK SHOULD YOU CARE, THEY AREN'T HURTING ANYONE. I hope my children can live in a world where anyone can do whatever the fuck they want as long as they don't hurt others. Seriously this was done to they gays before, they're "unnatural" we should kill them, heck it's still done in a few countries.

So you think we should allow people to support and/or encourage the creation of child pornography for the sake of their personal liberty? That is madness.

Drawn stuff? Allowing people to wallow in their own mental illness, eventually that wont be enough and they'll move on.

These people need dedicated treatment.

both of you are way off base. 603, did you even read the OP? some of these guys were making child porn, and they were specifically looking to make children suffer. it's utterly indefensible.

jonabob, that's not how paraphilias work. there are plenty of people out there who are turned on by the of acts which are both horrifying and illegal. they aren't threats because they have a grip on reality and morality. for them, drawn or simulated pornography is a harmless release.

 

[Wulfheri]

I don't think you can say that all pedophiliac persons are evil and such. Some are, if they express themselves in the wrong way.

And you shoudn't call it a sickness, it's a state of being, just like homophilia, the only different thing is that the child can't choose and is thus abused. They did do this because they had no common sense, not because they are pedo's.

Just my humble opinion.

All by all, I'm certainly happy the police did arrest those people.

 

[Fuselage]

Well in prisons, the most hardened criminals hate child molesters

Why only the most hardened ones?

Well i didn't word it properly, okay on the prison food chain, child molesters are basically krill.

 

[Trippy Turtle]

One of the few things I get angry about. These people are sick beyond belief. I am fine with people into that sort of thing as disgusting I think it is but to actually look for it or even do it is horrible.

 

[Baneat]

That's horrible! I hope those fuckers have a horrible time in prison.

Oh trust me... they will. You don't want to be a pedophile in a prison. Prisoners tend to get a bit... stabby, around pedophiles.

Well, yeah, based on the bloodlust of people outside of prison for these guys it'd be pretty bad when the people are actually violent.

Drawn stuff? Allowing people to wallow in their own mental illness, eventually that wont be enough and they'll move on.

Citation needed here, that's quite a controversial point to make. Very little evidence either way, I believe. I have to say I think you're confusing the causality

Citation? Uh, human nature?

If it's so obvious and true you should be able to find several sources to back the claim.

 

[The Lugz]

I'm usually pretty hard to offend, but that's just sickening if you want someone to beat these people to the bloody mess they deserve give me a call.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

Those that made the videos of the children being tortured (and that is what those twisted fucks are doing to those children, they're torturing them) did so willingly and (undoubtedly gleefully) made the lives of those innocents a living hell. To say that they deserve any form of mercy is... Sickening. Do you truely believe that those that were put through an unwaking nightmare such as that, or any sane human being would want to know that those monsters that were performing, or those that pleasured themselves to the act, were allowed to walk free and live their lives unimpeded simply because they where, as you say, 'not in control of their actions?' A concept which is just bullshit, by the way.

I never suggested that they should be allowed to "walk freely". What I said was that instead of subjecting them to the bullshit legal system that is in effect we should instead try and help them control their urges. Mercy is not sickening and frankly, abusing them means scooping down to their level if that's the game you want to play.

I am not talking to those who created the videos, those people have clear psychological issues that should be treated whilst under guard. However, even if we were to incarcerate them doing so in a prison will only serve to aggravate their present mental illness and that will do no good to them.

They knew what they were doing when they trapped those children, they knew what they were doing when they were actively bringing harm to them, they were not controlled by 'something else,' to claim that they should get off because of 'urges' is just... Unrelentingly... I... I cannot even fathom a word to describe the... Primal... Rage such a concept instills within me. It is like claiming that a murderer should be allowed to be freed into society after a few weeks of 'rehibilitation' because they couldn't fight the 'urge' to do drive a knife into their neighbour's neck for refusing to lend them their lawn mower.

Whether or not they "knew" what they were doing is partially irrelevant since we don't know what "they" know. What if they did not perceive abusing children as something that is morally and ethically wrong? It is pretty much impossible for someone who is considered mentally healthy to think like someone who is not of a sound mind because whilst to you the concept of raping a child seems morbid and downright disgusting to them it might not seem this way because they see the world differently to us.

I am not saying such individuals should be allowed into society, I never suggested that. People who rape and abuse children should be subjected to incarceration. However, a prison is not the environment you should incarcerate mentally ill individuals. They need help, not confinment in an institution full of violent individuals that will only further exacerbate their delusions.

Everyone has urges, some less 'pure' than others, do you know what people do with those urges? They fight them, they resist and say 'no.' They don't allow a fucking chemical reaction in their mind to drive them to perform an inhuman act like rape or murder! Those that 'do' such as these beasts that molested these children are less than human for not only succumbing to one of these urges, but one that is so inhuman beyond belief.

But that is what a mental illness does. It impacts your ability to think logically. Mentally ill individuals have an illogical behavioral pattern that to a sane individual might seem strange or downright insane but to them seem perfectly normal.

Mentally ill individuals succumb to those urges because they cannot resist them whereas a sane individual can.

Deliver swift, unrelenting justice for those that were wronged, anything else would be a grievous insult to those needlessly tortured children that suffered a form of Hell that no human being should ever have to experience, especially for the demented pleasure of an inhuman beast.

What would delivering "swift unrelenting justice" do? It won't offer closure, it will not help the individual involves realize the gravity of their actions and it will not in any way reverse their actions. You have to understand, these people do not see anything wrong with their actions. No amount of punishment will make them regret it because in their mind they have done nothing wrong. Punishing them will not make them account for their crimes. It will only serve to drag us down to their level.

 

[Baneat]

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By viewing such material you are supporting the act in itself and by extension harming. Especially to the nth degree if any money is changing hands.

"You people make me sick" - Really?

Note: Drawn stuff.. bit more difficult, I'll err on the side of it really does no harm.

chances are that kids aren't harmed in the making of child pornography, if you take nude pictures of a 11 year old girl touching a penis then no physical harm was done I'm not a pedophile but the image people get when thinking of child pornography ( little kids getting raped, crying etc ) is probably waaaaaaaaaaayyyy over exaggerated ( some shit like that probably exists tho and people like that are no better than rapists), but if the world was a little bit more acceptive instead of throwing everyone that's different than the norm to jail then everything would be a lot better and pedophiles could actually be helped. besides people are born pedophiles, they cant fucking help it, it's the same fucking thing as being gay,

There is more to harm than being in physical pain.
"Chances are" - There is a definite chance some are, take the average since you can't differentiate between them.
If having gay sex was as immoral as sex with children, then it's the same fucking thing. But it's not, so your analogy breaks down.

 

[ZombieGenesis]

I had to stop reading that about halfway through, my brain cannot ingest that much Wrong at any one time. Same reason I have to take a break from gaming news once in a while.
Seriously, this is why society is on a hunt for freaks like this.

 

[Kungfu_Teddybear]

Wait, there are actually forums for child porn? And people are stupid enough to use their real details on it?

Well I'm glad they were caught. 72 less pedo's on the streets is a good thing.

 

[thetruefallen]

not only should they be locked up until they turn to dust, they should also be lobotomized, take away their freedom and their free thought. leave them nothing, that's what they deserve.

 

[Magnesium360]

The bastards need to be brought to justice. To say the quotations in the first post were sickening would be to say too little. It's disgusting that groups like that exist and operate, and I could not be happier to see them brought down.

 

[Himmelgeher]

They deserve to die. Every single one of them. And not just the people making the porn. The people who view it and don't do anything about it deserve to die too. And no, it's not a "disease" they aren't victims. They are evil. They have committed acts of evil, with absolutely no justification. There is absolutely no senario in which they deserve to not be killed. They could save the planet from a nuclear holocaust, they'd still deserve to die. Was H.H. Holmes mentally ill, or a fucking evil bastard? There is a difference between people with schizophrenia, and people who have a full grip on reality and are completely capable of understanding the full consequences of their actions. They have control over their actions, no one forced them to do anything. There is no redemption, no atonement, and no hope for people who rape children. They should be executed, and not with lethal injection, something far more painful. Something we haven't even come up with yet, because it's just so painful. Whatever that is, that's how we should kill them. Not as a deterrent, but because they fucking deserve it.

The Norwegian murderer deserves the same. What he did is fucking terrible and evil as well. People might not have been as extreme or vocal, but that doesn't change what they think he deserves. The difference between that situation and this one should be quite obvious, but I'll explain it anyway. In that situation, there were people still dieing and families in mourning. People were devoting their energy to supporting and sympathizing with the victims, rather than being pissed off at the culprit. This is after the fact. People don't have a victim to sympathize with, and even if the did, the victims are already being given all the help that they can be given.

This is, in no way, similar to homosexuality. Homosexuals do not torture, rape, murder, or support any of the above every time they experience sexual release. Are there homosexuals who do these things? Yes. But not every single homosexual without exception. In fact, I'd argue that the number of homosexuals who torture/rape/murder their sexual partners are rather in the minority. But for pedophiles, almost every single one of them at least support the abuse of children by viewing pornography. If you'd like to argue that point, I have a question for you. Answer honestly or else it doesn't work. How many people do you know or have met, who are at least in their 30s or 40s who have never once had sex or viewed pornography? I'm willing to bet that the number of people who fit into that category can be counted on one or zero hands.

 

[EHKOS]

CP is one thing, but when they want them in distress that's a whole nother level. This is terrible, makes me sick.

 

[SextusMaximus]

72, thats all good and everything, but I hate to be the downer here... thats nothing, the FBI seem like their really not holding their own.

hey, 72 sick bastards being put away is no bad thing..

I think what he's pointing out is the fact that there are FAR more, and by ONLY bringing in 72, the FBI seem to be failing somewhat.

 

[6037084]

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There is more to harm than being in physical pain.
"Chances are" - There is a definite chance some are, take the average since you can't differentiate between them.
If having gay sex was as immoral as sex with children, then it's the same fucking thing. But it's not, so your analogy breaks down.

yes having gay sex isn't as bad as having sex with children BUT a man masturbating to a picture of a naked man isn't worse than a man masturbating to a picture of a naked child, also I've met a few pedophiles online ( I hang around the rough side of the internet where facebookers don't venture ) and none of them would actually hurt a child, sure they fap to loli hentai and pictures of naked kids but that's just about it, and it's not like they chose to be pedophiles they were born as pedophiles like gay people are born gay so throwing them in jail isn't going to make things better. With help they could probably control their urges but try to find help in a society like this where pedophiles are treated as scum, even if you find some help if anyone from the media hears of you being a pedophile you will never be able to live a normal life again because you'll be treated as a child raping sicko that should be thrown in jail forever by every single person you meet.

 

[Ickorus]

I'll never understand why these sick bastards feel the need to make people suffer and especially kids, there must be something very wrong with their heads.

What ya do is announce to everyone in the jail what the new guy's crimes were (maybe showing pictures of the kids, just to get the point across), give them all rusty, blunt sharp instruments and then just stand back and let whatever happens happen.
Even the most hardcore murderers and thieves would have a line, and child molestation probably crosses that line.

Murder
_________________________________________________________________________________________ <- The line

Child molestation

Yeah, most criminals really REALLY hate paedophiles and rapists, people forget a lot of criminals have family outside of prison and it really gets to them that they can't protect them so when one of those guys comes in they'll make sure they suffer in what I imagine is an attempt to deter others from committing those crimes possibly to the criminals family.