Female Gamers: Are you tired of being presented with no dignity?
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I think the majority come from the Japanese side of the market: X blades, Bikini Samurai Squad and various fighting games (Tekken) which have more physics dedicated for the breasts than say the game itself.
It's just what sells, it's not very fair, but the world of advertising isn't very fair.
It's just what sells, it's not very fair, but the world of advertising isn't very fair.
That last part is my only beef. There is no way a male would wear armor heavier than the average elephant while a female wears the latest from the Victoria's Secret catalog. It just doesn't happen, and it certainly doesn't protect as much as the elephant armor.sabaducia said:
But as for breast size and waist size (Which have been problems since the days of Barby and, unfortunately, even invaded one of the older Pixar Shorts (Knick-Knack, though the later release did reduce the breast size, acknowledging the error in judgment)), I don't really mind. As long as they don't present any actual problems in gameplay (Larger killbox, smaller killbox, killbox size in general, etc.) I find it simple to just ignore them. Am I watching my characters exposed skin as I run around in UT2004? No, because I play a robot (Cuz Robots are so much better than humans anyways). But I don't really care about the enemy's exposed skin either, cuz odds are if I take the time to notice that, I'm dead. And I don't like dying.
I'm a Male btw.
Actually, I don't think it's possible to put a divider between race discrimination and gender discrimination. They come down to similar things. In terms of global population white males between 25 and 50 are the minority. They just have a lot of power.sabaducia said:
The fact is, the VAST majority of gamers are male and one well-known trait of men is our sexual obsession. Seeing breasts and skimpy outfits (usually) pleases us, just because it doesn't make sense doesn't mean it won't achieve the same outcome.sabaducia said:
As long as men like oggling ladies and are also the majority of gamers most games will see this as an easy marketing ploy. As the ludicrous publicitly and plethora of mods for Zoe from Left for Dead show, if we're not giving enough breast physics we'll make it ourselves (also see DOA).
Men like boobs + men buy the most games = boobs sell games
A good example here would be Farah from Sands Of Time.katie monsterxRAWR said:
I have to agree with most posts here about the fact that women are indeed becoming a stereotype in gaming, being depicted as having injected steroids into their bra, but female gamers have to come in terms with what truly characterizes a female (in gaming at least): their personality. That's what I see or try to see behind Ivy or Rachel's rack. The result is not always satisfactory, I did not like neither Ivy nor Rachel and I did not like Sheva either (mostly cause the costume is starting to prove what Capcom has started to deteriorate into thanks to that and useless DLC). But there are times when a female in gaming has truly set a milestone. Jill Valentine, Samus, Dr. Tennenbaum from Bioshock.
The damsel in distress in starting to fade if you ask me. See the Fallout 3 expansions.
Getting mad about sexism in gaming is not worth it. Mainly cause it sells. GTA SA sold like crazy and along with that Vice City and GTA3. It is pathetic that some developers still see it as a selling point but hey, it's not like us guys are lesser victims. You think everyone has the pleasure of having Redfield's triceps? Or Marcus Phenix's 'badass' attidute?
But yeah, from where I am standing, women are overused as stereotypes in games. Still every so often there comes someone that shows us that defending the-let's say-sanctity of gaming is worth caring for. Yahtzee said so himself when he reviewed Silent Hill 2. And everyone who has played Silent Hill 2 knows that Maria was amazing. Getting angry is pointless cause it is not gonna change anything. All you can do is hope.
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Pretty much sums it all up. The media has created an ideal of beauty to the point no one on the face of this world can ever live up to it. Not until we can photoshop ourselves and all afford top of the line mark up artists.
Pretty much sums it all up. The media has created an ideal of beauty to the point no one on the face of this world can ever live up to it. Not until we can photoshop ourselves and all afford top of the line mark up artists.
Which will happen as soon as the audience stops caring. A cause being hampered by OP and dumb people in this thread.Spineyguy said:
I hope some day we will look back and laugh that we ever called Chell a good female character.
The school girl outfit thing creeps me out. Seems like pedo-fodder. Obviously I'm not the first person to think about that, but apparently it hasn't been said enough.shewolf51 said:
okok i really have to stop this, almost all of these posts are the exact same.. am i the only one that reads these before i voice my opinion??
Men don't have this problem cause most men don't care how they look and are usually pretty happy with themselves.michael_ab said:
is it really so hard to be happy?? am i the only one in the world who can be happy at will?KoreyGM said:
meh......i....ok im gunna say one sentance that may sum up everything i belive in.
Lara Croft looks AWSOME, but can still kick everyone's ass.
Lara Croft looks AWSOME, but can still kick everyone's ass.
Really, I didn't know we had women on the interwebs.
All kidding aside, Is it fair to say that "sexy" (large breasted, small waist} women should be taken out of gaming? Sure it's not my favourite stereotype in terms of characterization and personal likes goes for me, however, all media has to have a majority of role models seem to be inhumanly perfect to have an unattainable goal. To continue the strive for human perfection. Of course this means it can turn looking good into a full time job for those who end up being caring more for the opinions of others then they do of their own. However the "misrepresentation" is both true and untrue, well the percentages of "top heavy" females in game is extremely higher then that of reality, any specific portion isn't a fabrication. Sure looking like that is, in most cases impossible but having a body part look like those in the games isn't. Sure you could go out and get Ivy's implants, but would they function as a draw the same way as in a game, probably not. This is simply because well a game can be sold on pleasure, that is all it is, a game. Sure I sound like a guy out to caress the women of video games, but really, I think that most of it (other than the idiots at capcom) is used to make the game seem more unrealistic. Most video games if they were to much like real life, wouldn't be much fun, unless your completely socially awkward.
To sum up my argument, yes you can get upset about the vast majority of games having main females wearing the equivalant to a hat of clothing but, isn't it in itself an indicator of a game that doesn't have it's own merits to stand on?
Wouldn't that be enough to throw out the whole idea to get mad about it because a character is imhumanly perfect, and even if they are. If you're looking for good characterization and story telling or plot, then why does it matter how she looks? If you wanted to make your own leading female based on what you want them to look like, you could play a game that allows you to do so, like an mmorpg. Or you could just to read a book.
So yeah go on, complain, will it change, well maybe, depends of how much of the consumer base you manage to refuse to buy a game because the lead is, too sexy. You have every right to try though, and more power to yeah.
All kidding aside, Is it fair to say that "sexy" (large breasted, small waist} women should be taken out of gaming? Sure it's not my favourite stereotype in terms of characterization and personal likes goes for me, however, all media has to have a majority of role models seem to be inhumanly perfect to have an unattainable goal. To continue the strive for human perfection. Of course this means it can turn looking good into a full time job for those who end up being caring more for the opinions of others then they do of their own. However the "misrepresentation" is both true and untrue, well the percentages of "top heavy" females in game is extremely higher then that of reality, any specific portion isn't a fabrication. Sure looking like that is, in most cases impossible but having a body part look like those in the games isn't. Sure you could go out and get Ivy's implants, but would they function as a draw the same way as in a game, probably not. This is simply because well a game can be sold on pleasure, that is all it is, a game. Sure I sound like a guy out to caress the women of video games, but really, I think that most of it (other than the idiots at capcom) is used to make the game seem more unrealistic. Most video games if they were to much like real life, wouldn't be much fun, unless your completely socially awkward.
To sum up my argument, yes you can get upset about the vast majority of games having main females wearing the equivalant to a hat of clothing but, isn't it in itself an indicator of a game that doesn't have it's own merits to stand on?
Wouldn't that be enough to throw out the whole idea to get mad about it because a character is imhumanly perfect, and even if they are. If you're looking for good characterization and story telling or plot, then why does it matter how she looks? If you wanted to make your own leading female based on what you want them to look like, you could play a game that allows you to do so, like an mmorpg. Or you could just to read a book.
So yeah go on, complain, will it change, well maybe, depends of how much of the consumer base you manage to refuse to buy a game because the lead is, too sexy. You have every right to try though, and more power to yeah.
Huzzah. I find myself with more ammo: Ninja Gaiden 2 - now you can make her tits jiggle yourself! WITH YOUR sixaxis controller!
*facepalm*
Really?
Is this what men want?
Why don't you go get a girlfriend, and figure out how it works in the real world. Now I BELIEVE the article about most gamers being overweight, friendless introverts.
*facepalm*
Really?
Is this what men want?
Why don't you go get a girlfriend, and figure out how it works in the real world. Now I BELIEVE the article about most gamers being overweight, friendless introverts.
im male and im tired of females being presented as just a pair of breasts attatched to a bamboo cane, im also offended to be the target audience of games with these female charaters. having said that, i do realise that most game developers have realised that most gamers are teenage males and mostly only think about one thing...
sorry i had to bring her down alittle bit
i swear, this was at a passing glance, but did you know she wears pink underwear?TheXRatedDodo said:
sorry i had to bring her down alittle bit