Feminism: has it gone to far?

[Sindaine]

Let me ask a question. How many women who identify as feminists openly support misandry?

Quite a few of them, sadly. There's whole forums dedicated to the idea that the male 'species' is unecesary, and deserving, at best of mocking and derision, and at worst of physical and sexual abuse, and even murder.

 

[Serenegoose]

I remember and it was a reply to a post that was pretty hostile and ignorant. Don't like it when people insult your views? Too bad. Should learn a little more about how the world works before you post something if you don't want to be challenged.

I'm sorry if I gave you the impression that your teenage ragefest somehow insulted me. That would be unfairly building you up to a disappointment in the future. You just... weren't all that good. Sorry.

 

[Krion_Vark]

Feminists are fine. Radical feminists, who I like to call "Feminazis", are not. They are pretty awful people, about on par with white supremacists in their ignorance and hatred of the world around them. One good example is that totally whacked-out ***** who wrote a mind-meltingly idiotic "review" of Firefly, in which she insisted that Wash regularly rapes Zoe and that Joss Whedon rapes his own wife, among many other awful things.

Here it is, in all it's revolting glory. (I found it again just now by googling "crazy feminist ***** Firefly review") http://users.livejournal.com/_allecto_/34718.html

Reading it certainly inspired hatred in me--hatred of this woman.

I know not all feminists are like this pathetic piece of shit, but it pains me to read all the comments supporting her dementia.

I didn't get more than a sentence in when I found why this person is batshit crazy.

. . . since I had a conversation with another lesbian feminist sister . . .

I am not saying its because she is lesbian or because she is a Feminist. Its because she is BOTH and both sides feel they are put down more than they actually are. Yeah sure some parts of the world they still are but come the fuck on where I used to work at a restaurant we would have once a month the local Gay Pride group holding their meeting/get together thing that was more like a party than anything else.

No matter how equal you think you are you are not as equal as the person next to you that is the problem with the ultra feminists. For some reason one episode of Family Guy comes to mind talking about this. Now back on track. The ultra Feminists feel they need to have ALL THE RIGHTS in the world and probably won't until one of their own gets into power and actually does it and creates a giant distopian society where being male is frowned upon and are only used as sperm banks. Hell they probably won't stop until they are able to breed without the use of males at all.

 

[ckam]

If you're talking about female supremacy instead of equality, then yes... Maybe a tad too far.

 

[mr_rubino]

Let me ask a question. How many women who identify as feminists openly support misandry?

Quite a few of them, sadly. There's whole forums dedicated to the idea that the male 'species' is unecesary, and deserving, at best of mocking and derision, and at worst of physical and sexual abuse, and even murder.

Somewhere on the internet, people are saying something nutty. Feminazis are such feminazis.

 

[mr_rubino]

You came in rude and hostile, I'm just playing your game.
And no it's still 2010, where spoiled bitches like you are free to complain about how men take all the money you never bothered to make yourself.

the first words in our little conversation are "Your talking out of your ass now" (page 10, post 325, I'll wait til you've found it) so if we want to play the 'who was rude first' game, please don't be playing it on a forum that records your every post.

I remember and it was a reply to a post that was pretty hostile and ignorant. Don't like it when people insult your views? Too bad. Should learn a little more about how the world works before you post something if you don't want to be challenged.

I thought you weren't a fan of sympathy. Why would anyone want to know your story if you won't be forthcoming about it?

...Myanmar?

Well...clearly. My mistake.
And, guess I'm wasting my time here, but what the hell does that mean?
"It's not enough that you come to my country, you don't even have the respect to learn the damn language! Do you know how much we send to korea every year? I'll have to look it up but I'm sure it's a lot!"

Erm ...Bangladesh? I think you've lost me.

...Myanmar?

EDIT: Um...could you at least give me a hint?
It was a pretty straightforward statement. Women like her assume all female characters are made for men and that all male characters are made for men. My point was, that's crazy. What's made for women? Annoying vampires that sparkle in sunlight?

Yyyyep. Basically.
Kratos and Leon and whateveryousaid certainly aren't made for women. And Boobie Booberman with the camera up her ass isn't. I suppose you could argue Snake might be what with his shameless bisexuality and perfectly-toned ass in a tight catsuit, but...
(Everyone's gay for Big Boss, after all. Just ask Kaz Miller.)

Certainly my ass, leon (re 4 leon) is a pretty boy...not that I'm into that kind of thing or anything.

*snicker* Sure, bubby. In other news, beat RE5 and Chris's gal-pal Sheva can wear a Queen of the Jungle get-up which I assure you is as not-sexist as it is not-racist.

It's idiotic, and the whole game is filled with Isms. Did I say RE5, because I'm pretty sure I was talking about the one where you look at leons ass most of the time (or was that just me?) regardless the camera was pointed there.

Yeah sure, but when you can unlock a stupid outfit for a male it's not called sexism. Fact is, a male does not look like chris. Shiva was a huge annoying stereotype but so was Chris. The african female is an acrobat with a sassy attitude and the american male is a bulky steroid junky who constantly states the obvious and always acts slightly dumber than shiva.
Last line for shiva, I shit you not "this is for my fallen ancestors" WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?
Spear throwing, grass skirt wearing african zombies exluded, and it's still a pretty stupid game. If it took place in japan, all the zombies would probably wear business suits and do math to confuse you.

As usual, you're doing my job for me, and it's kinda annoying. But of course, you can't unlock Swimsuit Chris or Stripper Leon, so I don't have to waste a paragraph on that, and thank God for that. And of course the camera was pointed at his back as default, especially during important button-mashing scenes.

Next point: It was for her fallen ancestors. Duh. But of course Chris is the manly man while Sheva has to "prove her worth". (Luckily, the special edition removed her for Chris's bubbly suddenly-blonde love interest... oh and ex-main character. *Snicker* Remember when she had that game to her own and wore a halter the whole time?). Again, this has been pointed out to you multiple times, and you're not gonna understand it if people keep repeating it to you.

Third non sequitur: The zombies probably wouldn't be dressed in kimonos in paper houses.

You mean like raiden in MGS2? Or shirtless snake in MGS3? I admit it's not as common but it's there. Games do have a female audience and many of these girls do find some characters sexually attractive. You can say that women are objectified but why is that bad? Woman are, and should be allowed to objectify men in art. A very popular movie right now does that very thing. Humans suck, objectifying them makes them more interesting.

I don't think your argument works when the subject's creator is in the most transparent closet the world has seen since . Obvious fail is obvious. And third-person action games are aimed at women in general so the smartest idea for you would be to continue on this track, no?
Also: Which of these games hides posters of swimsuit girls all around, exploits first-person view to look at boobs (and the occasional man-crotch), and gives you plenty of options for viewing and photographing the female characters at multiple angles? (Trick question.)

But we live in America,

Well that was an anti-climax. (Easy joke.)

what game lets you play as a super badass who suddenly finds himself naked? Never played TR but I'm pretty sure laura was never completely stripped.

What in the ever-loving...

 

[mr_rubino]

You came in rude and hostile, I'm just playing your game.
And no it's still 2010, where spoiled bitches like you are free to complain about how men take all the money you never bothered to make yourself.

the first words in our little conversation are "Your talking out of your ass now" (page 10, post 325, I'll wait til you've found it) so if we want to play the 'who was rude first' game, please don't be playing it on a forum that records your every post.

I remember and it was a reply to a post that was pretty hostile and ignorant. Don't like it when people insult your views? Too bad. Should learn a little more about how the world works before you post something if you don't want to be challenged.

I thought you weren't a fan of sympathy. Why would anyone want to know your story if you won't be forthcoming about it?

...Myanmar?

Well...clearly. My mistake.
And, guess I'm wasting my time here, but what the hell does that mean?
"It's not enough that you come to my country, you don't even have the respect to learn the damn language! Do you know how much we send to korea every year? I'll have to look it up but I'm sure it's a lot!"

Erm ...Bangladesh? I think you've lost me.

...Myanmar?

EDIT: Um...could you at least give me a hint?
It was a pretty straightforward statement. Women like her assume all female characters are made for men and that all male characters are made for men. My point was, that's crazy. What's made for women? Annoying vampires that sparkle in sunlight?

Yyyyep. Basically.
Kratos and Leon and whateveryousaid certainly aren't made for women. And Boobie Booberman with the camera up her ass isn't. I suppose you could argue Snake might be what with his shameless bisexuality and perfectly-toned ass in a tight catsuit, but...
(Everyone's gay for Big Boss, after all. Just ask Kaz Miller.)

Certainly my ass, leon (re 4 leon) is a pretty boy...not that I'm into that kind of thing or anything.

*snicker* Sure, bubby. In other news, beat RE5 and Chris's gal-pal Sheva can wear a Queen of the Jungle get-up which I assure you is as not-sexist as it is not-racist.

It's idiotic, and the whole game is filled with Isms. Did I say RE5, because I'm pretty sure I was talking about the one where you look at leons ass most of the time (or was that just me?) regardless the camera was pointed there.

Yeah sure, but when you can unlock a stupid outfit for a male it's not called sexism. Fact is, a male does not look like chris. Shiva was a huge annoying stereotype but so was Chris. The african female is an acrobat with a sassy attitude and the american male is a bulky steroid junky who constantly states the obvious and always acts slightly dumber than shiva.
Last line for shiva, I shit you not "this is for my fallen ancestors" WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?
Spear throwing, grass skirt wearing african zombies exluded, and it's still a pretty stupid game. If it took place in japan, all the zombies would probably wear business suits and do math to confuse you.

As usual, you're doing my job for me, and it's kinda annoying. But of course, you can't unlock Swimsuit Chris or Stripper Leon, so I don't have to waste a paragraph on that, and thank God for that. And of course the camera was pointed at his back as default, especially during important button-mashing scenes.

Next point: It was for her fallen ancestors. Duh. But of course Chris is the manly man while Sheva has to "prove her worth". (Luckily, the special edition removed her for Chris's bubbly suddenly-blonde love interest... oh and ex-main character. *Snicker* Remember when she had that game to her own and wore a halter the whole time?). Again, this has been pointed out to you multiple times, and you're not gonna understand it if people keep repeating it to you.

Third non sequitur: The zombies probably wouldn't be dressed in kimonos in paper houses.

You mean like raiden in MGS2? Or shirtless snake in MGS3? I admit it's not as common but it's there. Games do have a female audience and many of these girls do find some characters sexually attractive. You can say that women are objectified but why is that bad? Woman are, and should be allowed to objectify men in art. A very popular movie right now does that very thing. Humans suck, objectifying them makes them more interesting.

I don't think your argument works when the subject's creator is in the most transparent closet the world has seen since . Obvious fail is obvious. And third-person action games are aimed at women in general so the smartest idea for you would be to continue on this track, no?
Also: Which of these games hides posters of swimsuit girls all around, exploits first-person view to look at boobs (and the occasional man-crotch), and gives you plenty of options for viewing and photographing the female characters at multiple angles? (Trick question.)

But we live in America,

Well that was an anti-climax. (Easy joke.)

what game lets you play as a super badass who suddenly finds himself naked? Never played TR but I'm pretty sure laura was never completely stripped.

What in the ever-loving...

*sigh* joke explanation, again. Go play MGS2. Spoiler, raiden is stripped naked. He also kind of looks feminine so the joke was that his femininity made people gay. Not me though, others.

The other thing made no sense. Who was talking about sympathy?

Yeah, that was ...quite a joke. What are you on at the moment?

And you two probably shouldn't talk to one another. It detracts.

 

[blankedboy]

Feminism is only going too far if the feminists are just doing it for attention, or to be cool.

So yes, it's gone way too far.

 

[Lineoutt]

Whether or not it's gone to far depends on the feminist in question. The "Both sexes should be treated equally" kind of feminists are fine; the "Women are the superior race! Everything with a penis must be castrated and crucified! We don't need a filthy, inferior man to continue the human race; we'll just grow babies on farms!" kind are kinda fucking insane.

Wait... really? farms and crucifixion aren't what we were goin for? fuck! ok guys shut it down, sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[mr_rubino]

He's kinda sweet once you get past the flaky crust, ladies. He's not gay... like the entire cast of the Metal Gear Solid series. I'd give him a twirl if I was an amazon.