Feminism: has it gone to far?

[Elle-Jai]

I hate all feminism that sets out to say Women are better than men

I'm on board with the theory that says We are all equal but different, and these differences are what makes life fun. Men and women complement each other.

Forget competition, go with complementary instead. Women are not better, Men are not better, we're all just awesome. End of story.

 

[Icehearted]

I've known men proven innocent of rape as claimed by women, they're lives are ruined, their accusers are still treated like victims.

I know young boys and men sexually assaulted by women that have confessed their crimes; these women are dismissed, the boys and men are now disabled due to their trauma and end up drug addicted or committing suicide.

Society views women like they do children; they're inherently sweet, incapable of genuine harm save for a scant few, and are otherwise to be nurtured and kept safe. The same society reviles men, especially male victims, for their weakness.

Fully ignoring what I've just said (all of which is unfortunately true), ask yourselves this; why is is that if a man does something to violently injure a woman's genitalia, it's monstrous, but when a woman does the same to a man (a kick to the balls or pulling a Bobbitt) it's either comedy or she's a champion of feminism?

My 2¢

 

[mr_rubino]

He's kinda sweet once you get past the flaky crust, ladies. He's not gay... like the entire cast of the Metal Gear Solid series. I'd give him a twirl if I was an amazon.

As would I, but that's neither here nor there.

I don't think the laws are set on the status of distaff clones.

Maybe I misinterpreted that statement but it sounded extremely sexy.
Pretty sure they are though. A "clone" in the MGS universe is just a child born using dna from somebody, you know, the realistic boring kind of clones.

That might cause trouble where relations with half-siblings are frowned upon.

EDIT: And yet Dante looks like a butch lesbian now...

Ok clearly I didn't get it.I thought you were saying...something else.
Are you talking about some kind of clone incest? Because that's disturbingly nonsexy.

I said nothing of that until you brought it up, and I was trying to point out it could present a legal quagmire.

I never brought up the idea of any form of snake sodomizing raiden. I don't believe I have ever spoken those words until now.

But I said earlier in the thread I don't do roleplay. =(

That's...fantastic. Are we speaking the same language now?
Who said anything about roleplay?

Your not-dream made it clear. And if I was gonna be Snake, you'd be Otacon, not Raiden.

Clever. I haven't "cybered" since I was 16 and I didn't think it was that fun then either.
EDIT: Flattering, but why snake?

I don't bloody know. You're the one who got us into this whole labyrinthine conversation that I'd rather not have entered into.

 

[Demongeneral109]

No. It has not.

A cursory glance at the world will show you that most women are not afforded the same rights.

Within the US, the laws technically are supposed to give women the same rights as men. In practice however, women are often treated very poorly by men, in business, in domestic matters and especially in the entertainment industry.

Feminism is a category of humanism. It asserts that women are PEOPLE, just like YOU, and thus, deserve to be treated like people. Many men do not do this. The prevalence of domestic violence is a sign of this - woman get beaten by their husbands far more than husbands ever get beaten by their wives.

Men do not have the right to ever tell women how to live their lives. That is up to them. Men don't like it when they are told how to live their lives, well, I think that most women feel the same way when men tell them how to live theirs.

Feminism has not gone too far - if you think it has, maybe you're just angry because you can't control women. Well, it's morally wrong to try to control women. They are people - human beings, just like you. It's very, very sad that so many men can't realize this incredibly simple fact.

Crimes don't really count in the "equality vs. inequality" argument; and also, don't ignore the biological advantages inherent in the sexes, women and men will be better at certain types of jobs, men are biologically predisposed towards physical jobs, they are naturally stronger than women, there's no denying that. (there are exceptions of course.) Likewise, women will be beter as teachers,office workers, and other literary/nuturing roles, statistically, that is where they thrive (again, this is only a generalization, there are always exceptions.) this is the same reason men tend to be abusers in domestic violence, how many women are stronger than their husbands?

I support feminism, but women need to be willing to give up their priviliges and special treatment (men pay for things, no required draft) ect. before they get rights in turn. Again, I supprot feminism, but one can't have their cake and eat it...

Also, I'm fairly certain that men don't really control women anymore... thats generally frowned upon nowadays... -_-0 your talking about 4 decades ago. While women do have disadvantages, that is mostly stigma, and difficulty in forming the right conections. A good deal of networking is done in "gentlemens clubs," where women aren't allowed entry.(please note these are not strip clubs, yes there are gentelmens clubs without scantally-clad women...) Don't blame men for the lack of advancement in womens rights, clean up the image first, this thread i evidence enough of the problem. To advance work-rights, are you willing to give up those customs that you are familairy with, not paying for dates, having chivilarly truly 'dead?' Ask yourself that, then complain about equality

 

[b3nn3tt]

I've actually had many a debate with my girlfriend on this issue, and last yaar we had a university module focussing on gender that also gave rise to a number of discussions

Just to get it out the way now, I disagree with the term feminism. It was fine when the fight for equality started out, but I think the problem now is that it has become associated with people who take it to the extreme ('feminazis'), and that it sounds very exclusive. It is very difficult for a man to label himself a feminist, because of all the connotations. I personally like to think of myself as an equalist, in that I think everyone should be afforded the same rights and opportunites. Feminism sounds like it excludes any problems based around race, or age, or any other issue

In terms of feminism going 'too far', I am conflicted about it. In some regards, I think that political correctness has taken over and tried to make things 'equal' but going about it in a very wrong way, such as dictating a certain number of jobs that must be occupied by women (this is called positive discrimination). This isn't down to the work of feminists though. I think that a push for genuine equality, where everyone is judged on their merits, not on their sex is a fantaastic aim, and I am fully behind it

The problems arise when people take things to extremes, and demnd to be afforded a certain opportunity or job because they are a woman. This is why people end up with stereotypes of feminists, because these extremes are the most memorable, and so form the greatest impressions. As a lot of people have said, when people make it impossible to know whether or not you should hold a door for them, things get ridiculous (Personally, I tend to hold the door for anyone, it's common politeness. It is also polite to thank people when they do this, a fact that seems to be lost on a lot of people who live in my city).

I think that it is also important to have a look at how the rise of equality is affecting men. Feminists have often complained about objectification, but the objectification of men has been steadily on the rise since the 80s. Men are increasingly having more plastic surgery, and using more and more beauty products. I would say that there is just as much pressure now on men to look good as there is for women. Granted, this is far more equal, but is it a good thing? I personally think no

I would heartily reccommend this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/aug/03/gender.healthandwellbeing

I'll tell you that the title of it is 'Depressed, repressed, objectified; are men the new women?' and let you decide whether or not you agree

 

[mr_rubino]

He's kinda sweet once you get past the flaky crust, ladies. He's not gay... like the entire cast of the Metal Gear Solid series. I'd give him a twirl if I was an amazon.

As would I, but that's neither here nor there.

I don't think the laws are set on the status of distaff clones.

Maybe I misinterpreted that statement but it sounded extremely sexy.
Pretty sure they are though. A "clone" in the MGS universe is just a child born using dna from somebody, you know, the realistic boring kind of clones.

That might cause trouble where relations with half-siblings are frowned upon.

EDIT: And yet Dante looks like a butch lesbian now...

Ok clearly I didn't get it.I thought you were saying...something else.
Are you talking about some kind of clone incest? Because that's disturbingly nonsexy.

I said nothing of that until you brought it up, and I was trying to point out it could present a legal quagmire.

I never brought up the idea of any form of snake sodomizing raiden. I don't believe I have ever spoken those words until now.

But I said earlier in the thread I don't do roleplay. =(

That's...fantastic. Are we speaking the same language now?
Who said anything about roleplay?

Your not-dream made it clear. And if I was gonna be Snake, you'd be Otacon, not Raiden.

Clever. I haven't "cybered" since I was 16 and I didn't think it was that fun then either.
EDIT: Flattering, but why snake?

I don't bloody know. You're the one who got us into this whole labyrinthine conversation that I'd rather not have entered into.

That's life. I didn't lead you into this conversation, I made a joke about naked raiden and you took that as an invitation to have freaky imaginary sex. I know, your attracted to me. I have a demon inside of me that entrances lovers, but we simply cannot be. I'm a nearly asexual lunatic and your....whatever you are. It wasn't meant to be.

An asexual lunatic but with a demon inside you? Wait a minute...
An odd duck, then. I see. With illusions of demon-enhanced attraction.

 

[mr_rubino]

This went into crushingly-depressing territory.

 

[Axolotl]

Man this thread is worth it just to watch derelix having what I can only assume is a total mental breakdown.

Still full of rampant sexism but at least now it's entertaining.

 

[mr_rubino]

Man this thread is worth it just to watch derelix having what I can only assume is a total mental breakdown.

Still full of rampant sexism but at least now it's entertaining.

At the beginning, I was this: XD
At the recent time, I was this: =(

 

[Withall]

Feminism hasn't existed since the 80s.

Not True Feminism anyway, now its about female Superiority, instead of equality.

Pretty much my mindset, too.