Feminism: has it gone to far?

[cyber_andyy]

I hate to say it but the hitting girls and being hit by girls thing is a really impossible situation for guys... i mean if somehow a woman wants to assault you (and it happens) what can you do? If you fight back your a woman beating monster. If you dont you have been beaten up by a girl and are designated "weak". I dont think iether of these things should be applied. I dont think its weak to be hit by a girl but hey, thats society. I know women dont enforce this but this is how it is. You cant win. Girls are untouchable. A girl can also yell at your or verbally barate you and responding in kind is seen as morally wrong.

There are alternatives though. Why has no-one yet considered the fact of simple holding her wrists and telling her firmly but not shouting to calm down? That works. Only Men who are upset that they can't throw their weight around complain about this...

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

I hate to say it but the hitting girls and being hit by girls thing is a really impossible situation for guys... i mean if somehow a woman wants to assault you (and it happens) what can you do? If you fight back your a woman beating monster. If you dont you have been beaten up by a girl and are designated "weak". I dont think iether of these things should be applied. I dont think its weak to be hit by a girl but hey, thats society. I know women dont enforce this but this is how it is. You cant win. Girls are untouchable. A girl can also yell at your or verbally barate you and responding in kind is seen as morally wrong.

There are alternatives though. Why has no-one yet considered the fact of simple holding her wrists and telling her firmly but not shouting to calm down? That works. Only Men who are upset that they can't throw their weight around complain about this...

lemme use my real life example. My kind of humor is friendly banter, il insult people often but in a joking way and everyone knows im just kidding, i never mean it. I have a friend called K who has known me 3 or 4 years, we arnt good friends but she knows how i am. She talks about ehr NEW NEW boyfriend and i jokingly remark about her promiscuity. I then recieve a sudden and violent kick to the balls, almost instantly and with a an obviously joking insult as the only provecation. She only does this once though and then backs off. She isnt being aggressive, what do i do? If this was a guy you could bet your ass id get right back at him, but a girl? With the hit and run strategy? I cant hit a girl who isnt fighting me. It was one hit. One i cant respond with because she stopped being aggressive. She just stands there as if to say "if you hit me, youll get fucking owned". I have to submit, i give her a bollocking but thats pretty much it.

 

[cyber_andyy]

I hate to say it but the hitting girls and being hit by girls thing is a really impossible situation for guys... i mean if somehow a woman wants to assault you (and it happens) what can you do? If you fight back your a woman beating monster. If you dont you have been beaten up by a girl and are designated "weak". I dont think iether of these things should be applied. I dont think its weak to be hit by a girl but hey, thats society. I know women dont enforce this but this is how it is. You cant win. Girls are untouchable. A girl can also yell at your or verbally barate you and responding in kind is seen as morally wrong.

There are alternatives though. Why has no-one yet considered the fact of simple holding her wrists and telling her firmly but not shouting to calm down? That works. Only Men who are upset that they can't throw their weight around complain about this...

lemme use my real life example. My kind of humor is friendly banter, il insult people often but in a joking way and everyone knows im just kidding, i never mean it. I have a friend called K who has known me 3 or 4 years, we arnt good friends but she knows how i am. She talks about ehr NEW NEW boyfriend and i jokingly remark about her promiscuity. I then recieve a sudden and violent kick to the balls, almost instantly and with a an obviously joking insult as the only provecation. She only does this once though and then backs off. She isnt being aggressive, what do i do? If this was a guy you could bet your ass id get right back at him, but a girl? With the hit and run strategy? I cant hit a girl who isnt fighting me. It was one hit. One i cant respond with because she stopped being aggressive. She just stands there as if to say "if you hit me, youll get fucking owned". I have to submit, i give her a bollocking but thats pretty much it.

Yeah give her bollocking, and don't hang out with her? Funnily enough a well adjusted person wouldn't just launch into an assault if this happened to be a guy: they'd be pissed, give em a dressing down, and not talk to them for a few hours whilst they calmed down. At least in the situation you've described.

You're just as much in the wrong if you punch a guy who did this to you after they have backed of.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

I hate to say it but the hitting girls and being hit by girls thing is a really impossible situation for guys... i mean if somehow a woman wants to assault you (and it happens) what can you do? If you fight back your a woman beating monster. If you dont you have been beaten up by a girl and are designated "weak". I dont think iether of these things should be applied. I dont think its weak to be hit by a girl but hey, thats society. I know women dont enforce this but this is how it is. You cant win. Girls are untouchable. A girl can also yell at your or verbally barate you and responding in kind is seen as morally wrong.

There are alternatives though. Why has no-one yet considered the fact of simple holding her wrists and telling her firmly but not shouting to calm down? That works. Only Men who are upset that they can't throw their weight around complain about this...

lemme use my real life example. My kind of humor is friendly banter, il insult people often but in a joking way and everyone knows im just kidding, i never mean it. I have a friend called K who has known me 3 or 4 years, we arnt good friends but she knows how i am. She talks about ehr NEW NEW boyfriend and i jokingly remark about her promiscuity. I then recieve a sudden and violent kick to the balls, almost instantly and with a an obviously joking insult as the only provecation. She only does this once though and then backs off. She isnt being aggressive, what do i do? If this was a guy you could bet your ass id get right back at him, but a girl? With the hit and run strategy? I cant hit a girl who isnt fighting me. It was one hit. One i cant respond with because she stopped being aggressive. She just stands there as if to say "if you hit me, youll get fucking owned". I have to submit, i give her a bollocking but thats pretty much it.

Yeah give her bollocking, and don't hang out with her? Funnily enough a well adjusted person wouldn't just launch into an assault if this happened to be a guy: they'd be pissed, give em a dressing down, and not talk to them for a few hours whilst they calmed down. At least in the situation you've described.

You're just as much in the wrong if you punch a guy who did this to you after they have backed of.

Did i say i wanted to assault her?! Im just saying if it was a guy who kicked me pretty damn hard in the balls he would have got one back, maybe not as hard, i wouldnt wish that on anyone. I cant do much to a girl though, even fi she does inflict a tonne of pain on me and can get away with it. cus a girl kicking a guy in the balls is socially acceptable.

 

[snide_cake]

I do agree to a certain extent.

Females expect equal pay to men and this is fair.

But they also expect to have paid maternity leave in Australia (now up to 6 weeks I believe).

And they also want equal opportunity and to eradicate discrimination.

However I think that having paid maternity leave reinforces discrimination. Employees have to weigh up whether or not to recruit a female, and assess the risk that she will fall pregnant during her employment and they need to pay out at least 6 weeks pay for someone who might just leave after having those 6 weeks of leave.

Equal pay is hard to acheive when you have women who then want an extra 6 weeks of pay for doing nothing.

I believe equal pay will never occur unless one of two things happen: men also obtain 6 weeks paid paternity leave (right now it's 2 weeks at my workplace), or women stop petitioning for 6 weeks paid maternity leave and just leave it as 6 weeks unpaid maternity leave.

There is no way that women can have their cake and eat it too - this is becoming just way too over the top.

Make a choice: work or have a family and stop being greedy.

 

[Aeriath]

Now we have our own rights, and have done for years, they should probably give up. They probably won't until women get equal pay or men stop repeating the same sexist jokes and thinking they're always hilarious.
Germaine Greer is a little bat shit crazy. I'm sure she wrote an article about how all dads have to fight the urge to rape and sexually abuse their daughters. That's just... strange.

I think we are nearly there with the equal pay, the "77 cents on the dollar" thing is a little...misleading. But the jokes are terrible. I never thought the problem could be as bad as some claim it is, but I now work in an office, and I've heard a few jokes that made me quite uncomfortable.

The last bit by Greer, well that is...no I can't even think of anything other than disgust.

 

[Something Amyss]

I love it when a bunch of middle class or better white males decide that everything's equal.

I don't have much else to say here. This thread is horrendously disheartening.

The problem with privilege is if you have it, it's hard to see it, and when people point it out to others, it tends to make them defensive.

Really defensive.

True. And people don't like their invisible perks to be taken away.

I love it when somebody makes huge assumptions about people they know nothing about.

You must really love it, since you made several assumptions necessary to accuse me of making assumptions. But hey, why let a little thing like yourself assuming my stance stop you from accusing me of the same?

 

[mb16]

if anyone gets this quote i will be happy.

if men and women were equal, women would be better.

 

[soilent]

I am genuinely surprised at the amount of people agreeing with me, I am quite pleased at this, good to see people seeing through the bullshit.

 

[Ericb]

Will there be a time when forum people will recognized a troll through his/her insistence? *pray*

To continue the discussion...

I once read an article in which a woman decried her job as a high-flying business executive while her husband was a home dad because it made her feel 'like a man'. In this way, I'd say it's the general female approach to masculinity which needs to change just as much, in the same way as it's not only women who need to see themselves as more than someone who must be a mother/housewife.

Funny how prejudices affect the perspectives of people's minds.

She defined her reversal of roles as "feeling like a man", even though nothing about her biology shifted in anyway whatsoever. That's ingrained stereotypes for ya.

I hope for the time when taking care of the house is just an act of respect towards the place which protects you, without any connotation of gender behind it.

As a chick, I have to say that instead of bitching loudly about respect, just walk the walk. Act as if you'd like more respect. Be someone worth respecting.

exactly. i see women who screw strangers in a alley or bathroom. if you throw yourself at someone with no respect

for yourself or body, why should anyone respect you?

That's at the heart of double standards. What about the guy who had sex with said girl in the bathroom?

Does he get any lip from his "promiscuous" behaviour?

Let's be frank here, I don't see what's so wrong about a little prejudice as long as it isn't hurting anyone.

That's a massive oxymoron right there.

 

[Sindaine]

I hate to say it but the hitting girls and being hit by girls thing is a really impossible situation for guys... i mean if somehow a woman wants to assault you (and it happens) what can you do? If you fight back your a woman beating monster. If you dont you have been beaten up by a girl and are designated "weak". I dont think iether of these things should be applied. I dont think its weak to be hit by a girl but hey, thats society. I know women dont enforce this but this is how it is. You cant win. Girls are untouchable. A girl can also yell at your or verbally barate you and responding in kind is seen as morally wrong.

There are alternatives though. Why has no-one yet considered the fact of simple holding her wrists and telling her firmly but not shouting to calm down? That works. Only Men who are upset that they can't throw their weight around complain about this...

Because then she screams that you're trying to rape her or something. I've seen it happen.

 

[Odbarc]

Feminism hasn't existed since the 80s.

Not True Feminism anyway, now its about female Superiority, instead of equality.

I call this neo-feminism. Equality I can agree with. In fact, I look for opportunities to exploit this by claims of equality between genders to my advantage.

 

[b3nn3tt]

However I think that having paid maternity leave reinforces discrimination. Employees have to weigh up whether or not to recruit a female, and assess the risk that she will fall pregnant during her employment and they need to pay out at least 6 weeks pay for someone who might just leave after having those 6 weeks of leave.

Equal pay is hard to acheive when you have women who then want an extra 6 weeks of pay for doing nothing.

I believe equal pay will never occur unless one of two things happen: men also obtain 6 weeks paid paternity leave (right now it's 2 weeks at my workplace), or women stop petitioning for 6 weeks paid maternity leave and just leave it as 6 weeks unpaid maternity leave.

Women get up to a year's paid maternity over here (UK). Men, on the other hand get two weeks. I completely agree that if women want equal pay in the workplace then men should have equal paid leave for after children are born. The way things are, I don't think that it's entirely reasonable for women to be paid less, if there's every chance that they will be paid for a year without doing any work.

If paternity and maternity leave were equal, then there would be just as much chance of losing men to parenthood as women, so it would be grossly unfair to discriminate based on sex

 

[cyber_andyy]

Did i say i wanted to assault her?! Im just saying if it was a guy who kicked me pretty damn hard in the balls he would have got one back, maybe not as hard, i wouldnt wish that on anyone. I cant do much to a girl though, even fi she does inflict a tonne of pain on me and can get away with it. cus a girl kicking a guy in the balls is socially acceptable.

Something so socially acceptable that she can be arrested under public order and assault charges eh?

Because then she screams that you're trying to rape her or something. I've seen it happen.

Lets see...rape in a public place, and she's just hit you? Police are gonna see right through that one. Even at that point just let go and walk away. If its not in a public place then its her word against yours.

In fact, Why not do that? Say nothing and walk away if she kicks you in the balls. In fact for all your people who are concerned about being 'weak' Then thats the strongest thing to do.

At this point You're just raising 'ifs' and 'buts'.

 

[johnsom]

I find it odd that some women wont touch a stove on principle but still want me to change the oil in their car.

 

[Whichi]

Ok...I don't want to start a war..or get shouted at...but I really think that feminism has gone a bit to far. I mean that I think that the feminists have done what they set out to do and now they are just trying to make them selves better then men.

Tell me what you think of feminism...and please don't flame me. Please?

Feminazi ideology is no different than those asshats in PETA when they believe themselves superior because the general population doesn't listen to what they have to say.

Feminists always spew bullshit that women get paid less than men when, and as far as I've noticed, every pathetic soul that's working at a wal-Mart, target, Gamestop, Payless shoes, etc are all getting the same pay of minimum wage.

Their logic is flawed and typically renders their arguements somewhere from unintelligable to absolutely retarded. They want to be taken seriously like a man, but when they cause verbal arguements they expect to not get knocked the fuck out like any other man would if he had said the same thing as said female would. Women still run around this forsaken planet like they are the superior breed, yet demand they be treated as though as they are lesser beings.... this behavior is more so if the bimbo in question is hot and or in college. And once said woman is out of college and/or no longer considered worth boning, she realizes that as an ordinary individual she is not very special and that is something majority of us guys have to deal with if we wern't nerdy Straight "A" students or brain-dead jocks who will probably be bagging geek's groceries or mixing concrete as a career in the near future..... most women just have to pick a hard-working guy or one that's incredibly rich, lay on her back, eagle-spread, and she's set for the rest of her life. Women get lighter sentences in court (even less if she's hot... Deborah LaFayve), they typically get custody of the child in court (reguardless of how much smack she does in a day), and get sympathy from strangers when they so much as get choked up over something insignificant. Outside of anyone in family family, I despise a healthy portion of of the world's female population, could gave a shit less about the rest. I can safely say that I only care about .000000000002% of the world's female population, and they're lesbians who think the exact same thing as I do about other women and feminists (and one girlfriend).

anything else I believe about feminism can be found on Maddox's website.

/end rant

 

[cyber_andyy]

*snip*

Oh gawd....this is just...I dont even...

I think we can sum this post up with you're avatar, but even then...

Also, ridiculous hyperbole is ridiculous. Whats worse, is that I just worked it out that you care for one tenth of a woman. Which suits this post perfectly

 

[Sindaine]

Because then she screams that you're trying to rape her or something. I've seen it happen.

Lets see...rape in a public place, and she's just hit you? Police are gonna see right through that one. Even at that point just let go and walk away. If its not in a public place then its her word against yours.

They won't because she's female, and why would a woman lie? They literally did not believe my friend was not attempting to assualt this freak, and took him for questioning. Why would they take the man's word? Even in a public place, must err on the side of caution right?