Feminist Kickstarter Project gets Harassed/Threatened

[Schadrach]

Anyone can be raped, not only women. Thanks for being so sensitive to any male survivors out there as to claim that they don't exist.

I'm not sure who is being insensitive...those who claim rape is primarily an issue of male on female violence, or those who choose only to reference male on male or female on male rape as some kind of rebuttal or attack when confronted by the specter of feminism. I'm honestly not sure how it's relevant. It's like addressing a question of starvation in the third world by insisting that it get recognized that people starve in the first world too, as though that were somehow a conversation ending remark.

I think you missed something, I was replying to someone who literally said:

How exactly are these insults not gender-based:
- Threat of rape

by pointing out that rape, you know, is not gender specific and it is very insensitive to male victims to pretend they don't exist by saying that it is gender-specific. In fact, if you look at the semi-recent CDC study, for the past 12 months number (which would be the best estimate for current rate of offense as opposed to historical rate of offense) the number of men and women who have been forced to engage in sexual intercourse through force, the threat of force, or while unconscious, intoxicated, or otherwise incapable of consent are very, very similar [footnote]note that female on male cases are not counted as "rape" but as "being made to penetrate"[/footnote], with most men being the victims of women and most women being the victims of men.

You guys know she isn't sucking your dicks anytime soon, you can stop white knighting.

^^ This does not help anyone in any fashion. Seriously.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I think you missed something, I was replying to someone who literally said:

How exactly are these insults not gender-based:
- Threat of rape

by pointing out that rape, you know, is not gender specific and it is very insensitive to male victims to pretend they don't exist by saying that it is gender-specific. In fact, if you look at the semi-recent CDC study, for the past 12 months number (which would be the best estimate for current rate of offense as opposed to historical rate of offense) the number of men and women who have been forced to engage in sexual intercourse through force, the threat of force, or while unconscious, intoxicated, or otherwise incapable of consent are very, very similar, with most men being the victims of women and most women being the victims of men.

Well, here's the thing. I don't want to fuss with that statistic, but my girlfriend is 5'8 and weighs about 130 lbs. I'm 6'3 and weigh 190. The likelihood of her being able to physically force me into intercourse lies somewhere in the magical land between slim and none, whereas in the inverse I represent a serious physical threat to her. What's the average height/weight for women? And for men? Muscle mass? Can you appreciate why the threat of imminent sexual violence would be a more pressing concern for women then for men, without necessarily translating appreciation of that fact into disrespect for those men who have been raped by women?

Have you EVER feared rape? I know I haven't. I've never once thought "Boy, I could get raped here". Not once. Now that's anecdotal, but there is a reason this dialogue around rape, fear of rape, and how to prevent rape focuses almost entirely on women. You can assume that reason is because women are more likely to be the victim of sexual violence than me. Or you can assume the reason is because a vast sea of female on male rapes are going unreported because of male stoicism and deep seated gender bias. Which of those scenarios seems more likely?

So while I understand your point that the threat of rape isn't really gender based in a purely technical sense, I also appreciate why its primarily and historically been viewed as a "woman's issue".

 

[McMarbles]

You guys know she isn't sucking your dicks anytime soon, you can stop white knighting.

Nobody could possibly be defending her simply because it's the right thing to do.

Captcha: path less taken. Sadly, it seems like this IS the path less taken on game boards.

 

[aestu]

Nobody could possibly be defending her simply because it's the right thing to do.

It isn't the right thing to do, because she's a liar and hatemonger.

If her hysterical accusations had any truth to them, there would be the evidence (IPs etc) to charge those responsible. It won't happen because the accusations are self-serving lies.

As has already been proven, her "research" is also lies, consisting of deliberately dishonest depictions of media to support her dishonest argument.

This person is a con artist and hatemonger. Defending a con artist who spews hate speech towards men everywhere is not "right".

 

[McMarbles]

Nobody could possibly be defending her simply because it's the right thing to do.

It isn't the right thing to do, because she's a liar and hatemonger.

If her hysterical accusations had any truth to them, there would be the evidence (IPs etc) to charge those responsible. It won't happen because the accusations are self-serving lies.

As has already been proven, her "research" is also lies, consisting of deliberately dishonest depictions of media to support her dishonest argument.

This person is a con artist and hatemonger. Defending a con artist who spews hate speech towards men everywhere is not "right".

You're screaming "con artist" and "hatemonger" and she's the hysterical one. For making videos.

...right.

 

[Hawgh]

I suppose it's technically possible to disagree with the necessity for the lady's videos. I could conceive that one might think they should be produced free of any voluntary payment.

I also think that the vast majority of the shitstormin' shitlords aren't too concerned with anything but entitled, reflexive whining.

I reached this conclusion through analysis of the counterarguments presented, commonly referring to miss I-forget-her-name as a: [misogynist slur] [dismissive misogynism] [slur for genitalia] [antisemitic non-sequitor].

In most cases, that's really the totality of the argument; Sexist, racist word-vomit.

Not buying the righteous outrage at improperly allocated funds.

Honestly, my greatest hope is that it's just a ridiculously widespread trolling effort. But I'm not giving that good odds.

 

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Have you EVER feared rape? I know I haven't. I've never once thought "Boy, I could get raped here". Not once. Now that's anecdotal, but there is a reason this dialogue around rape, fear of rape, and how to prevent rape focuses almost entirely on women. You can assume that reason is because women are more likely to be the victim of sexual violence than me. Or you can assume the reason is because a vast sea of female on male rapes are going unreported because of male stoicism and deep seated gender bias. Which of those scenarios seems more likely?

To be honest, no I'm not afraid of rape, however after an neighbor in my dorm got drugged and raped (yeah... drugs are a *****, how strong you are means nothing.) I would say that I'm cautious when dealing with women in clubs now. I think once it enters your life in some form (especially when it's another male and your male), you go well crap, I guess I do have to worry about it. It just happened to this dude and he lived 3 doors down from my dorm room. I don't need to have the same happen to me. I doubt the police did anything useful either.

That is why the power fantasy for both genders is simply your ideal self at it's full potential to have you attract your partner. That is why I see it as simply the opposite of the same coin.

Don't you think that's a bit of an oversimplification? You yourself acknowledge that human motivations are quite complex. Doesn't it then seem unfair to say, "But if we keep following the trail on and on and on and on and on, it all comes down to sex anyway, so clearly there's no difference."?

When it comes to the survival of the species? Yes. What I did say is a really down and dirty explanation of it. I just understand under the cascade of "stuff" that the final end result is sex and reproduction. When you examine society in this way you start to see the spider web of how everything leads together to this one purpose.

I haven't even touched the ranking system among males and females as well, nor do I have a desire to because that's not apart of the discussion. I am also willingly to admit that on that particular subject, I am not as well versed though I am educated a bit on it.

You can call it what you like, but when your ex ditched you for another guy, you tend to ask why it happened and try to understand how it transpired. I turned to psychology and biology for the answer and now I'm better prepared for the next relationship because I understand what the core principles of what she wants.

Now it doesn't mean I'm going to ignore the starting points of relationships/power fantasies - they are as equally valuable as the end point. I just know the end destination is all. The journey and how you do it is what matters to me. It's not what your saying or doing that matters, it's HOW you go about it that matters. If people kept that in mind, I honestly think there would be alot less problems on earth.

But yes, that is why I think any male or female power fantasy is what you envision would be attractive to the other gender.

-edit-
IF your curious, yeah, she ditched me because I wouldn't get apartment (shelter) with her because we could take advantage of FAFSA to help pay for our college dorms while for apartments we would be on my own. Not to mention we weren't financially sound and be scrapping by for months on end. Not exactly an ideal situation which many males would have done what I said "We can't afford it. We would be cramming 5-6 people in one small apartment. Dorms are better".

Intentionally putting yourself in jeopardy without a battle plan is dumb. And before anyone ask, yeah I know now saying no was like I didn't want to proceed with the relationship with her. I didn't know that and she went off with a friend who had the means to do it.

 

[Ryotknife]

Anyone can be raped, not only women. Thanks for being so sensitive to any male survivors out there as to claim that they don't exist.

I'm not sure who is being insensitive...those who claim rape is primarily an issue of male on female violence, or those who choose only to reference male on male or female on male rape as some kind of rebuttal or attack when confronted by the specter of feminism. I'm honestly not sure how it's relevant. It's like addressing a question of starvation in the third world by insisting that it get recognized that people starve in the first world too, as though that were somehow a conversation ending remark.

I don't require that every single discussion regarding women's rights or the treatment of women automatically claw in men's rights or the treatment of men in order to balance the fucking scales. The fact so many guys on this site and out there in the world in general do is just flat out perplexing. It's a profound manifestation of insecurity.

Could it be a coincidence that the same website/forums that spawn a new "How on earth do I get a girlfriend / I've been friend zoned again / Women are an unutterable mystery" thread every 3.6 seconds also contains an unusually prominent demographic of the "BOOGA BOOGA FEMINISM IS TERRIFYING" stripe? Perhaps that is coincidental correlation. I'll let you decide, you seem like a learned chap.

guys also have a massive structural weakness in the groin. the women could be 4'10" and one kick can still easily knock out a much taller much stronger man. maybe if the guy was juicing on steroids it might not work because of its....side effects on male reproductive organs.

ive been hit with a slapshot to the groin and i blacked out from the pain. Im not talking about busting a nut or a glancing blow, but a full blown critical hit to the groin that makes you wish for death for the next few minutes after being hit.

Although women seem to believe that men are exaggerating how badly it hurts getting hit there. im sure it doesnt hurt anywhere near as much as child birth, but these days you at least get drugs to take some of the edge off.

So yea, in a FAIR fight a guy will have the advantage. but if you are fighting fair when your life is on the line, quite honestly you are an idiot. If you use dirty tactics, it more than evens the playing field, especially since it would be....unusually for a guy who wants to do physical violence to a woman to employ eye gouging, groin strikes, biting, or clawing.

in fact, i would like to know why evolution or whatever deity you believe in deemed to make the groin such a weakspot because it makes no logical sense to me. sure some pain when hit there makes sense because it is your body telling you "hey, that area is important, protect it in the future!". but crippling pain doesnt make any sense, in fact it clearly works against you.

 

[btenkink]

If I had a way to collect tons of cash simply by playing the victim to Youtube trolls, I wouldn't mind a few insults. Sticks and stones and all that; at the end of the day she's raised more than most of the trolls make in a year. It's genius if a bit sleazy.

 

[Schadrach]

Well, here's the thing. I don't want to fuss with that statistic, but my girlfriend is 5'8 and weighs about 130 lbs. I'm 6'3 and weigh 190. The likelihood of her being able to physically force me into intercourse lies somewhere in the magical land between slim and none, whereas in the inverse I represent a serious physical threat to her. What's the average height/weight for women? And for men? Muscle mass? Can you appreciate why the threat of imminent sexual violence would be a more pressing concern for women then for men, without necessarily translating appreciation of that fact into disrespect for those men who have been raped by women?

Raw physical size has little or no impact on cases where the attacker is armed, or where the victim is restrained, drugged, or unconscious. Certainly Bobbit and Catherine Kieu were capable of a different form of sexual violence against their much larger, much stronger husbands. You could also try reading GMP some time, more than a few guys tell their stories there.

Have you EVER feared rape? I know I haven't.

Now for a personal story that I don't particularly like telling:

One night I was running around with a female relative and two of her friends, one male, one female. It was about 2 AM, and I had been up for about 22 hours at that point. I had just met both of these friends of hers that night, and exchanged less than a dozen words with either of them in my life. My relative was drunk, and we stopped in a parking lot, so she could go throw up at a nearby restaurant. Her male friend went with her, her female friend stayed behind. I tilted the seat back and decide to try to squeeze in a catnap since I hadn't slept in 22 hours. I woke up, and was apparently receiving a blowjob, from the previously mentioned woman whom I knew basically nothing about and had exchanged less than a dozen words with. I did not want this, and it wasn't exactly safe to tell her to stop, having no idea how she'd react given that it would be trivial to, you know, bite down and I've seen people react worse for less. I had no idea what she might try next (or rather I had some ideas, but none of them were exactly *good* ideas), and given I hadn't taken my seat belt off before I leaned back and she wasn't exactly a small woman, I couldn't really go anywhere either. I was fortunate enough that my relative and her male friend came back before it went any farther. She glimpsed them coming, got off me, sat up, straightened up her hair, and pretended it didn't happen.

TL;DR, I have been in the position where I was receiving oral sex against my will, initiated while I was unconscious and physically restrained. I got lucky enough that someone returned, interrupting her before it went any farther than that.

I've never once thought "Boy, I could get raped here". Not once. Now that's anecdotal, but there is a reason this dialogue around rape, fear of rape, and how to prevent rape focuses almost entirely on women. You can assume that reason is because women are more likely to be the victim of sexual violence than me. Or you can assume the reason is because a vast sea of female on male rapes are going unreported because of male stoicism and deep seated gender bias. Which of those scenarios seems more likely?

Studies suggest that men under-report being victims of sexual violence more often than women do, even more so when the perpetrator is female, due to social stigma. As for why the dialog surrounding sexual violence (and domestic violence as well, which several studies have suggested is mostly reciprocal and what isn't is somewhat more often perpetrated by women, but not by a huge margin) is invariably centered around female victims and occasionally around male victims of male perpetrators is something that can be placed squarely on the shoulders of feminism, as feminism has the dominant voice in that discourse, and anyone who doesn't disagree with the assumed feminist positions is effectively driven out of the discussion. Erin Prizzey(sp?) is actually a good example of this, given that she created the first woman's shelter, and was basically driven out of her own movement because, in essence, she believed that domestic violence wasn't a one way street and wanted to help male victims as well.

 

[Ryotknife]

So yea, in a FAIR fight a guy will have the advantage. but if you are fighting fair when your life is on the line, quite honestly you are an idiot.

Let's be clear here. The groin is a small target. Going after it is unreliable. Much more practical to go for the torso as that presents the largest target and doesn't move quite as much as something like the head. Kicks are also impractical attacks because legs are not supposed to move like that. They're much slower, have farther to travel, and are more easily blocked.

Fights are not like what you see in the movies. A real fight is quick, ugly and brutal. More often than not, neither party is walking out of it smelling like roses. Fight Club actually has the most accurate portrayal of fights you'll ever see in a movie. These guys can and do get seriously hurt. Often both fighters walk away with bruises and bloody wounds. And if you get into a fight in real life, there's a pretty good chance your opponent has been in fights before and is more experienced than you. Consequently, he's probably also crazier than you and more likely to seriously hurt you.

That said, what does this have to do with his point?

If I had a way to collect tons of cash simply by playing the victim to Youtube trolls, I wouldn't mind a few insults. Sticks and stones and all that; at the end of the day she's raised more than most of the trolls make in a year. It's genius if a bit sleazy.

Why are you calling her sleazy? It was money that her donors gave of their own free will. Look, you guys are going to have to accept at some point that if you support crowdfunding, that means occasionally a project you don't like is going to get funded.

nice thing about attacking the groin, while it is small the opponents legs will "funnel" your attack to the desired location, making the hitbox rather large if we use video game terms. All your kick needs to do to connect is to get in between the legs somewhere, and the opponents body and good ole momentum will take care of the rest. This isnt like a kidney punch or a throat punch, both of which are much harder for the everyman or woman to accomplish.

as for the project, if all she did was get the 6000 dollars she wanted, i wouldnt bat an eye. Yea i believe that the project itself is kinda pointless and doesnt really help anything, but it wont hurt anything either. its the fact that she has gotten...what 160000 dollars? from advertising this controversy/harrassment. Keep in mind, this is not to support some kind of charity.

As for if this is a con, well it all depends on how she uses the money. But i wont be a bit surprised if this was a ploy. People have been killed for significantly less, so i dont think it is a shocker when i say that there are people out there who would go to any lengths to dredge up that kind of cash. and those people come from every conceivable group.

At the very least, it looks sketchy. Maybe this is all one big happy coincidence, but from personal experience ive learned to never underestimate human's capacity for greed.

 

[Ryotknife]

nice thing about attacking the groin, while it is small the opponents legs will "funnel" your attack to the desired location, making the hitbox rather large if we use video game terms. All your kick needs to do to connect is to get in between the legs somewhere, and the opponents body and good ole momentum will take care of the rest. This isnt like a kidney punch or a throat punch, both of which are much harder for the everyman or woman to accomplish.

How many fights have you been in and how many times have they ended with someone successfully kicking you in the nuts? I expect an honest answer.

as for the project, if all she did was get the 6000 dollars she wanted, i wouldnt bat an eye. Yea i believe that the project itself is kinda pointless and doesnt really help anything, but it wont hurt anything either. its the fact that she has gotten...what 160000 dollars? from advertising this controversy/harrassment. Keep in mind, this is not to support some kind of charity.

People still donated freely of their own will. What they did with those contributions is not your decision to make, nor is it any of your business. If some crazy lifer raised an obscene amount of money off of Kickstarter to make a movie about how liberals are all infanticidal psychopaths, I would find the product abhorrent but if people contributed, it's their money.

As for if this is a con, well it all depends on how she uses the money. But i wont be a bit surprised if this was a ploy. People have been killed for significantly less, so i dont think it is a shocker when i say that there are people out there who would go to any lengths to dredge up that kind of cash.

Again, I can't be that cynical. I'm sober.

people donate of their free will towards ponzi schemes, fake charities, or other projects in which the person manipulates the intent or the communities desire to do good for their own ends. Im pretty sure you wouldnt defend those people.......

as for the fights. Have i ever been in a fight in which my life was threatened? no. I have never been in a fight that i couldnt walk away from.

Have i been in fights? yes. usually over pride or honor or something equally foolish. either way it is a fight in which both parties participate voluntarily. Do i employ nut shots in that? no, because it is extremely dishonorable for a guy to punch or kick another guy in the groin during a fair fight. Doing so invalidates your win as you are viewed as worse than scum.

but if someone came at me out of the blue and i was under no obligation to fight fair? you would bet your sweet behind i would use any and all methods at my disposal including nut shots and weapons. Even Bruce lee himself advocated using groin attacks as the simplest method from which to get away from an attacker.

and in my "fair fights" it would be a simple matter to hit them in a groin at almost any point.

sorry, i was in one involuntary fight. a fight in which i couldnt employ a groin attack would be when it was 5v1 and all of my limbs were pinned down. even then i scratched, bite, clawed, and spit my way out, things i would never use in a fair fight. I cant say that im particular PROUD for doing that, but i did what needed to be done

although even in that fight my life was not threatened. at worse i would get a beating.

 

[Ryotknife]

people donate of their free will towards ponzi schemes, fake charities, or other projects in which the person manipulates the intent or the communities desire to do good for their own ends. Im pretty sure you wouldnt defend those people.......

What you described are felonies. Do you have evidence that a felony has taken place here? A simple yes or no, please.

as for the fights. Have i ever been in a fight in which my life was threatened? no. I have never been in a fight that i couldnt walk away from.

Have i been in fights? yes. usually over pride or honor or something equally foolish. either way it is a fight in which both parties participate voluntarily. Do i employ nut shots in that? no, because it is extremely dishonorable for a guy to punch or kick another guy in the groin during a fair fight. Doing so invalidates your win as you are viewed as worse than scum.

but if someone came at me out of the blue and i was under no obligation to fight fair? you would bet your sweet behind i would use any and all methods at my disposal including nut shots and weapons. Even Bruce lee himself advocated using groin attacks as the simplest method from which to get away from an attacker.

and in my "fair fights" it would be a simple matter to hit them in a groin at almost any point.

sorry, i was in one involuntary fight. a fight in which i couldnt employ a groin attack would be when it was 5v1 and all of my limbs were pinned down. even then i scratched, bite, clawed, and spit my way out, things i would never use in a fair fight.

although even in that fight my life was not threatened. at worse i would get a beating.

So the answer to my question is, "One and no." And this is sufficient proof to tell me that one anatomical advantage completely evens the playing field between men and women?

You know, i love how you always jump up and down over anyone you disagree with providing you concrete proof over anything and everything they say when you make arguments without providing any proof as well but act like you are the ultimate right.

Hypocrisy much?

as for my fight argument, i have Bruce freaking Lee in my corner over what people should do if they find themselves in such a situation, and im pretty sure he is (or was) an expert.

And yes, i have first hand experience of what it is like to get hit hard in the groin. If im hit there, im not going to be able to do much of ANYTHING for the next hour, and even after that im going to be walking funny for awhile. and yes, ive been punched in the face, ive been punched in the stomach, ive had my head bounced repeatingly off concrete. none of those attacks compare to a hard nut shot.