FFVII wasn't that good

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Chibz said:
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How asinine is it to call someone stupid for liking something as subjective as video games are?
Because... almost nothing about FF7 is particularly well done. From visuals (ugly for its time) to characters (under developed and forgettable) to the basic cluster fuck that is the attempt at narrative at it.

Going to put this in for the sake of it, but Sephiroth is a failure-villain. Especially compared to THIS guy.


As guy in video said. "Crazy mother fucker. Destroys the world, half way through the game."
No the character models were ugly for its time the cinematics and backrounds were fairly beautiful for the time. Characters being underdeveloped is your opinion a lot of people don't think and as far as I remember no one can ever and I mean ever accuse Tifa of being underdeveloped. Just enough said on that. FFS Sephiroth and Kefka are two completely different style villains then he became shit in the 2nd half of FFVI.

OT: Congratulations you all have a fucking opinion on a 14 year old game. I just want to state something and I don't mean this in a bad way but opinions are like butts you all have one. I know this is a gaming forum where we are supposed to express our opinions about our medium but for god sake people you have all taken the FF7 thing way to far over the years. Maybe this is me just exploding a little after having this slowly built rage over more or less the same comments about one game in one series that every likes to state is worse than their preferred game.

Ok we get it you do NOT like FF7 but you know what there are plenty of people who do. At least the people who do like FF7 do not make threads about it and constantly drone on about it anymore. They have learned to somewhat keep it to themselves. Now I am sorry to say that fuck all lives up to its hype. If I was to play Minecraft on hype and recommendations from friends alone I would hate it as it does not live up to the hype around it. This is simple video game knowledge we all should know.

Also for god sake the story is not bad it is simple. Now since the game is 14 years old and I haven't done a play through of it in about 5 years you are going to have to forgive me on this but as I remember the story doesn't have major plotholes. The plotholes only came with the extended and retconned universe that has raped the once good(well depends on your opinion) fairly solid game.

Now no one can really say that the game was full of JRPG stereotypes as they were not stereotypes at the time. In even while most of those involve the cast being teens the majority of the cast is in their 20s with a couple much older and 1 younger cast member(this is however, a stereotype). You don't like the characters that is fine but I am personally a bit sick of people going on about how THEY did not connect with the characters and that Cloud is a whiney Emo. He is not. Vincent is more emo than Cloud and even then he is more introverted and broody. Although Cloud was a hell of a lot more emo in Advent Children but we are talking about the game here not the extended universe.

Graphics ok yes the characters were exposed polygons. Not everyone hated that nor is obsessed with graphics. I like to think of it as Lego Fantasy 7. Even when you think about it the bad lego like graphics do give it an almost sprite like timelessness to the graphics as they were fairly unique to FF 7 as I can't think of a game that had similar characters. Although these make more sense if you look up the games development history. Now that aside the enviroments around the characters were quite well done for the time and the cinematics and battles also had fairly amazing graphics for the time. While they are not best graphics even at the time they are a lot better than a lot of people claim them to be.

Sorry just to go back a bit the only true stereotype in FF7 was Barret and even then he wasn't that bad he could have been worse.
 
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Mackheath said:
My favorite FF was 9; an underappreciated gem indeed, with far better scripting and characterisation than FF7 ever had.
FF 9 is not under appreciated. Really just look around at half the comments on FF threads. The ones most talked about as being good when asked for opinion especially here are 6,7,8,9,10. Some people do think the others are good but say 12,13,5,4,3,2,1 do not get as many likes as those 5 entries. Seriously read some of the comments on this page alone. I think yourself included there are about 6 people saying FF9 is good which is not really relevant to the thread. So obviously if it is important enough to them to feel the mention it is hardly unappreciated.
 

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Chibz said:
Actually, the narrative of FF7 has almost no merit to it. Especially when compared to previous titles. FF5, the game with lackluster narrative in the 16-bit era's narrative holds up way better than final fantasy 7's.
I have absolutely no clue how you can say that. You sound like you are just eating that video up like a fanboy and just regurgitating the opinions stated in there. I admit, he did have some good points, but in no way did he (or you)substantiate how FF7 was worse than any of the other games mentioned. As much as I liked the gameplay options with the job system in FF5, there was no story at all. It was just run around and kill shit until you find more broken crystals. Nothing deep or particularly interesting about that at all. Or were you taken in with that "amazing" plot twist where one of your dudes is actually a chick? Yeah, real deep man.

And no FF7 isn't the best thing ever made, but this conversation is totally out of hand for no good reason.
 

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lordmardok said:
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Obvious, if loquatious troll is obvious?

Even with the qualifying of it and all that, you'd come on a gamer forum and light that particular touchpaper?

Though I vaguely agree (FF6 til I die ;)... still not wise! :D
 

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You know, I can't reemember the last time I heard anyone call ff7 the best in the series. I only ever see forum threads and game critics going on and on about how it ISN'T. They're beating a dead horse, and so are you. You're telling us the earth is round like we didn't know, and we've known for a WHILE now. There are fanboys who think it's the best game ever, but even Daikatana has a few of those fans.
Thank You.

I am honestly so sick of people beating this old topic. If you don't like the game then fine, thats your opinion. Just ignore the die hard fanboys saying that its the "best game ever", those kind of people are moronic. To be honest, I don't think any game could be considered "the best game ever", since that all depends on preference anyway. FFVII is one of my favourite games ever, but it is not the best game ever. (Although I'm still holding out for a remake :D)

People need to REALLY move on. Its an old game, a classic none the less, but it doesn't deserve this kind of "God-like" praise, or this kind of hate either.
 

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Glademaster said:
Mackheath said:
My favorite FF was 9; an underappreciated gem indeed, with far better scripting and characterisation than FF7 ever had.
FF 9 is not under appreciated. Really just look around at half the comments on FF threads. The ones most talked about as being good when asked for opinion especially here are 6,7,8,9,10. Some people do think the others are good but say 12,13,5,4,3,2,1 do not get as many likes as those 5 entries. Seriously read some of the comments on this page alone. I think yourself included there are about 6 people saying FF9 is good which is not really relevant to the thread. So obviously if it is important enough to them to feel the mention it is hardly unappreciated.
I think its mainly because, outside of the FF fanbase, its often overlooked or forgotten, sort of like FF12. People remember VII and VIII, they remember X and X-2 and anything outside of that tends to be forgotten.

I've not completed it yet because when I got my copy (I'm talking years ago here... Think it came out in 1999) the disk broke and thus didn't get to finish it. Bought it on the PSN and gave it a whirl. Thought it was pretty good, liked the main character.

As for FFVII not being that good?... Well its entirely subjective isn't it. I deeply enjoyed it but it might be the nostalgia talking, I was playing the game around the time of the original release so it holds a good few memories. That being said, it got pretty solid reviews at the time so it must have done something right.

OT: Now, I'm not one to complain about the captcha, usually just sign it and get on with it. However video captcha? Come on escapist really... Really? I don't often complain about your advertising either but now I need to watch an ad before I can post. That's just ridiculous.
 

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lordmardok said:
I wouldn't be too surprised if some of the people who profess to love FFVII over other games, only do so because it's cool to like it.
Conversely, it's cool not to like it because it's popular.

Alright, how's this? I think it's the second best FF game (with VI being the best), and you don't.

Let's just leave it at that perhaps? I think it's a fantastic game, you don't. Get over it. Your opinion is no more valid than anyone else's and you can't just claim people love FFVII "just because it's cool to do so", because that's just you refusing to get off your high horse.
 

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Another discussion on FFVII? and about how it wasnt as good as entry/game ??
A fair few others have already said what I would have to say so I will just add that to me it was good very good in fact, before this game I hated RPGS especially those ones we now call JRPGS (I did not know this distinction at the time though) so I went into this game ready to hate it (I bought it because my friends had, yes I was young go go peer pressure) but it did something no other game has done before or since for me which was completely change my thinking of a genre and get me to re-evaluate previous games on their own merits allowing me to eventually enjoy FFIV and FFVI and just recently Baldurs Gate 2 and all this because one game had likeable characters (to me) and combined it with flair (remember the intro first time I ever saw something like that) the story and battle system also sucked me in. It is showing its age now of course those awesome fmvs are now simply meh for instance but the battle system still works and is still fun for me to mess about with when I decide to boot it back up.
Of course even at the time some people didnt like it and its hype/fandom reached such ridiculous levels that it blew up causing massive backlash. If you play this game expecting it to rock youre world you will be disappointed.
It would be interesting to see what people would be saying now if it didnt sell well on release and garner such a huge fanbase probably be along the lines of overlooked classic, way ahead of its time, stunning battle system, huge world, great memorable characters and so on again bigging it up to be something better than it actually was.
 

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creationis apostate said:
IMHO, All games from the 5th gen look like shit, besides still sprite based stuff like SotN, to an extent parappa and so on.
Amen.

Not that I mean I would severe aging as an excuse for the game though.
It was never a good game.
People were just blown away by so many cutscenes, because CDROM technology back then was still a new thing in console land.
 

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There is one thing I have always noted about great games in general, including FF7. People like to pick apart a game like that to point out its flaws. Every game has flaws. It is like watching a movie everyone says is great with the intention to pick it apart and find reasons to not like it. A lot of people simply don't like FF7 because of its popularity.
 

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creationis apostate said:
veloper said:
creationis apostate said:
IMHO, All games from the 5th gen look like shit, besides still sprite based stuff like SotN, to an extent parappa and so on.
Amen.

Not that I mean I would severe aging as an excuse for the game though.
It was never a good game.
People were just blown away by so many cutscenes, because CDROM technology back then was still a new thing in console land.
It was amazing back then, but so was sega genesis in it's day, and Most of the games on there look 1 hundred times more appealing.... Try comparing sonic 1 to RE 1. See how much better sonic looks?
People say that so many games on PS1 "don't age"but to me, a terrible lack of graphical capability just takes me so far out of a game.
I would even go as far as to say the look of the NES games is better than the 3D games on the PS and N64.

2D pixel art has some blocky charm to it. It is consistent. Each pixel in a sprite lovingly handcrafted.
Early 3D is just a pointed mess. Stretched, blurry textures don't help either.
 

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I remember playing it back then when it was new, soon after it came out.

I thought it was alright.

I understand that thanks to the leveling, gear, and grinding. Everyone has a different experience in Final Fantasy. With me, out of all the Final Fantasies I've played on PS, I thought it had the best difficulty balance. I thought FF8 was too easy. I thought FF9 was really hard. Other people will surely disagree.

As for the characters, I didn't really feel them for the most part. The only character I actually hated (besides Cait Sith) was Aeris, because I just thought she was incredibly bland. Although I was surprised when she died, I just didn't give a damn.

As for the graphics, they do look like shit. As someone said earlier, I'll defend a game by saying graphics aren't everything, but even when I do, I can admit when a game looks like ass. I don't think every single game from the PS generation looked bad, but this one especially did. And age makes it look even worse.

As for the rest of the game. It was okay. The story was okay, the combat was okay. I didn't really have too much fun playing it through. But I did, and it was alright. Had much more fun playing through Super Mario RPG (I still do).

I too don't understand the massive acclaim it gets. I played it when it was new, and several times again recently. In all my playthroughs, I just don't see what other people see.

My personal favorite FF from playstation was FF9.
 

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Wow, I feel awkward. I just put this Cloud pic as my avatar today and now I have to try and not come off as an FFVII fanboy. Tricky business.

Let's say it now: Final Fantasy VII is nowhere near the great JRPG.and it won't ever be with titles like Radiata Stories, Xenogears, Lost Odyssey, Tales of Symphonia, and Square's own Kingdom Hearts existing. It's not even the greatest Final Fantasy. Final Fantasy VI and Final Fantasy IX hold that role.

Final Fantasy VII does excel with a few things though:

1. The Universe. The world of Final Fantasy VII was massive and it was all very intricately designed. Throughout the years, this has stood the test of time with places such as Edge and Junon being completely identifiable from a lone screenshot. It was all very steampunk and allowed the developers to take the story in many directions. That's why the side-quests were able to be so varied, because the world itself was so varied. Outside of Lost Odyssey, I've never gotten that feeling of traveling the entire world in a JRPG before. Even in games that show you traveling the entire galaxy, all the people seem fairly samey and part of the same society. It's FFVII's ability to create that versatile world of Gaia then connect it all through the tragic dilemma each of them faced. Whether from Wutai or Midgar, whether they hated Shinra or loved them, it didn't matter because a FREAKIN' METEOR was coming. Very similar to Majora's Mask, just grander.

2. The Characters. I don't need to get into the main characters all being fairly diverse. Quite frankly, they aren't. Ya want excellent characterization? Look at Tales of Symphonia. The characters in FFVII are the standard type of character that appear in every Final Fantasy. What's so good about them? The answer: their roles and how they belonged in the world. One can argue that every character in Final Fantasy VII just fit into the game and, without said character, the game wouldn't be complete. Even small ones like SOLDIER 3rd class operatives were just extremely well crafted for every location. Not going too deep into that, you can fill in the gaps.

3.... There is no three. That is it. That's the reason Final Fantasy VII is still remembered. It excelled in those two areas so greatly that people who played it upon release look back at the experience with a smile. The story? Yeah it was okay. Gameplay? Same as every Final Fantasy, still good though, sure. But the universe and the characters? Amazingly done, it held the story together more than the narrative itself did.

So yeah, it's an impressive title that really came out of nowhere and catapulted the Final Fantasy name into fame. Is it the best? Hell no. Is it over-rated? Not really, it deserves the praise and success it received upon release. Is it worthy of being anyone's favorite title? Of course, any title should have that ability.

Still, I think every in FFVII has been done better since then and Square Enix will, I hope, become famous for something else:



SWEET JESUS

EDIT: Really? The graphics of Final Fantasy VII are a topic here? Shut up and wait for the eventual remake if you're not hardcore enough for the lego sprites. Or, go use a mod on the PC version.
 

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I first played FFVII one year ago, so I can't claim any kind of nostalgia, and I thought it was great. Loved the characters. Loved the story. Loved the materia mechanic. Hated the random battles (as I do in any game). Graphics were fine. Just thinking about it makes me want to go replay the game...

Personal preference, I guess.