"Final Stand" and "Second Chance" perks need to go

[fix-the-spade]

I find it quite n00b-ish.

I see it the same way I see booby traps, martyrdom perks and sniper rifles.

They are punishment for the careless, in a well designed game/map the better player will still win because he will put that extra bullet into the other guy to make sure he's down. Only players not paying attention fall foul of last stands enough for it to give them a problem.

 

[Gizmo007666]

I hate the idea of rewarding people for losing a fight in principle, it's a ridiculous mechanic. Not nearly as annoying as martyrdom in CoD4 but still, a pain in the arse.

Personally, I found last stand way more annoying the martyrdom... err... not that I found martyrdom at all annoying. It isn't hard to avoid, unless you are a camper. Plus, unless you are on hardcore mode, you even have a thing that tells you a grenade is there. And before anyone says you can't run away, if you even think that you are full of shit. I can't count how many times I've knifed someone that hard martyrdom and got away without taking a bit of damage from the grenade...

The only time I found martyrdom annoying was when someone else had killed the martyr and you just happened to turn a corner just in time to find the after effects, of which there is no real way to counter it but it happens rarely enough that it doesn't need a counter.

I don't get why so many people complain about second chance, other than a need to complain about something. At a guess I would say that those complaining have never used it and as such have never noticed the amount of times you get killed before drawing a pistol.
They also probably haven't tried killing someone with a pistol which unless at very close ranges needs a good 4/5 bullets to do.
The only fair argument against it is when someone else manages to "steal" your kill before you're managed to reload.

Personally I just duck behind cover and reload or toss a smoke grenade at them

 

[Legit 408]

this is my first post, but at this point I don't care about impressing people
I just was curious If I'm the only one who finds it absurd to empty a clip on someone only to have them lay on the ground and shoot me ONCE with a damn pistol and get an insta-kill....I find it quite n00b-ish. So, Do you use it?, or do you also find it ridiculous?

-Joey

360 Gamertag: J03Y St4XX

Have U Thought Saving Ammo & Just Throwing A Stun Or Flash At The Second Chance User,
Its An Insta-Kill Btw.

 

[Ignatz_Zwakh]

Meh, I find it rare that someone actually gets me with it. If anything it adds an extra element of surprise, something to watch out for. I myself don't use it just because I don't find it particularly useful per se.

 

[OniaPL]

You are in fact a big, fat noob for using last stand, the dude killed you, why should you be given a chance to cheap-shot an opponent who beat you. Also, running out of ammo because you unloaded a whole clip into the guy, only to be insta-killed by some newcomer who cant beat you legitimately makes my blood boil.

I seriously consider people who use it to be the lowest, most fail-worthy kind of gamers in the world. THERE IS NO MOTHERFUCKING EXCUSE FOR USING LAST STAND, YOU LOST AND DO NOT DESERVE TO GET A KILL.

Fuck me, this kind of faggotry just makes me rage.

Dude, what's wrong with you? No need to get all furious about the matter. If you wanna argue about the subject, I'll gladly argue with you, but let's try to keep things civilized. Saying stuff like: "I seriously consider people who use it to be the lowest, most fail-worthy kind of gamers in the world." doesn't help your argument, all I can see through that post is a angry 12-year kid.

And as a second chance- user I know there are a lot of servers that kick second chance users, why don't you go there?
Secondly, why do you think that using a valid perk is noobish? Tips I can give you is check your kills and conserve ammo so you won't have to reload in the middle of a gunfight.

If you're going to reply back, please try to stay calm.

 

[Lord Honk]

Hehehe, this reminds me that I started quite the outrage yesterday when I used the china lake heavily and got called a noobtuber, while I was defending myself with "dude, that's, like, a completely different thing man".
I seldom troll around, but that time, when it ended with most of the players going "OH YEAH! I'LL SHOW YOU!", bringing out every type of explosive they had It was awesome.

OT: I hate getting killed by someone who's dropping to the floor after I shot him square in the face with a shotgun, but hey, it's as much in the game as noobtubes, AK47U and RC-XDs. I got used to it.

Bonus comment: Most epic killcam I've seen: Teamkill with a care package marker. Awesome.

 

[Bluesclues]

I use second chance and almost always kill the people that kill me, but I never have problems with people who use second chance. What's so hard about it? You see a guy falling on his back, shoot 3 shots more. Why is it noobish? It's a completely legit perk. Calling someone noobish because they use second chance is as silly as saying flak jacket users are noobish.

Rather than raging on second chance, complain about the pistols. I killed a sniper from the other side of the map in second chance.

You are in fact a big, fat noob for using last stand, the dude killed you, why should you be given a chance to cheap-shot an opponent who beat you. Also, running out of ammo because you unloaded a whole clip into the guy, only to be insta-killed by some newcomer who cant beat you legitimately makes my blood boil.

I seriously consider people who use it to be the lowest, most fail-worthy kind of gamers in the world. THERE IS NO MOTHERFUCKING EXCUSE FOR USING LAST STAND, YOU LOST AND DO NOT DESERVE TO GET A KILL.

Fuck me, this kind of faggotry just makes me rage.

I was going to say something about this, but this person summed it up nicely.

I find it quite n00b-ish.

I see it the same way I see booby traps, martyrdom perks and sniper rifles.

They are punishment for the careless, in a well designed game/map the better player will still win because he will put that extra bullet into the other guy to make sure he's down. Only players not paying attention fall foul of last stands enough for it to give them a problem.

 

[teisjm]

Dunno how this works in black ops, but in MW1/2 if you empty a full clip to get someone down, you failed in the first place with your spraying and everything.

Never noticed the pistols beeing more powerfull when in last/final stand either, if they are turned into 1 hit wonders when you're on yoru back bleeding please tell so.
If not, then you emptying a full clip, not even a single bullet left to finish him off, and him beeing able to insta-gib you with a headshot rom his pistol, would say something about who has the better aim.

I use final stand (the 4death-streak one from MW2) on my sniper class, cause sometimes if you're up high when they nearly kill you and it activates, you drop down adn sometimes drop behind something so they can't finish you off, and you wait and get up again, continuing your kill streak. only works for final, cause last stand doesn't let you get back up.

Apart from that i don't use it, and i don't use last stand at all, cause i find some of the other perks better.

 

[theriddlen]

People who use it are just n00bs to the core. Not only they don't know how to play the game, they destroy other peoples fun by using unfair and gameplay-breaking methods.

Sounds like someone is too noobish to play the game the way its made.

Hint: It's you, you are the noob.

Oh, stop being so silly. BTW: Do you feel same about glitches and exploits? You know, it's the way it's made!
Also, learn what n00b means. Hint: It's not newbie or someone who doesn't know how to play game.

 

[Cgull]

If they're included in the game as a legitimate form of playing then I really don't have any issue with it as, if I was feeling like it, I could do exactly the same myself.

It doesn't help that 'Final Stand'/'Matyrdom' etc. are very noticeable, though in reality may have less of an overall effect on a game than a perk that allows you shoot through walls easier (I forget the name), which isn't something I've ever seen people campaign against, possibly as it's very hard to tell when that is what caused your last death.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

It is not that bad. I have yet to get a kill with it try even attempt to get pro version for experience and I have been killed by someone using it. A person dying and going into it are completely different. Same as Death Watch in TF2.

 

[Assassin Xaero]

I hate the idea of rewarding people for losing a fight in principle, it's a ridiculous mechanic. Not nearly as annoying as martyrdom in CoD4 but still, a pain in the arse.

Personally, I found last stand way more annoying the martyrdom... err... not that I found martyrdom at all annoying. It isn't hard to avoid, unless you are a camper. Plus, unless you are on hardcore mode, you even have a thing that tells you a grenade is there. And before anyone says you can't run away, if you even think that you are full of shit. I can't count how many times I've knifed someone that hard martyrdom and got away without taking a bit of damage from the grenade...

The only time I found martyrdom annoying was when someone else had killed the martyr and you just happened to turn a corner just in time to find the after effects, of which there is no real way to counter it but it happens rarely enough that it doesn't need a counter.

I don't get why so many people complain about second chance, other than a need to complain about something. At a guess I would say that those complaining have never used it and as such have never noticed the amount of times you get killed before drawing a pistol.
They also probably haven't tried killing someone with a pistol which unless at very close ranges needs a good 4/5 bullets to do.
The only fair argument against it is when someone else manages to "steal" your kill before you're managed to reload.

Personally I just duck behind cover and reload or toss a smoke grenade at them

I don't like it because it is unfair to the person that shot them in the first place. For example, once I shot someone in Crash, I think, and he fell behind a concrete barrier in last stand. Then, someone else came up, shot him, and then they got credit for the kill and I only got an assist, when if the guy didn't have last stand, he would have died when I shot him.

 

[IBlackKiteI]

All you need to do is just put one more round into them, that can be damn easy or impossible depending on the situation.
I reckon that if you 'overkill' an enemy by doing enough damage to kill them a couple times they shouldn't go into LS and should just die, a couple rounds immobilizing a guy is one thing, ten more bullets as they go down not having any effect is another.

I don't really see it as that much of a problem seeing as you can't directly kill someone with it, but it shouldn't be in the game anyway and its a monumental advantage compared to the other T3 perks.

Oh yeah, and clans whoring the shit out of it....just...fuck...

 

[Bluesclues]

People who use it are just n00bs to the core. Not only they don't know how to play the game, they destroy other peoples fun by using unfair and gameplay-breaking methods.

Sounds like someone is too noobish to play the game the way its made.

Hint: It's you, you are the noob.

Oh, stop being so silly. BTW: Do you feel same about glitches and exploits? You know, it's the way it's made!
Also, learn what n00b means. Hint: It's not newbie or someone who doesn't know how to play game.

Except for the part where glitches and exploits aren't meant to be in the game intentionally (unless the design team and their supervisors have a strange sense of humor), and Last Stand is.