Flash Game Makes Players Beat Up "Tropes vs. Women" Creator

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FieryTrainwreck

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Seriously, why the hell are people so pissed about her making a video series showing that women aren't portrayed in the best light in games?
I'm not remotely annoyed by her desire to make videos. I am annoyed by the fact that she is using kickstarter to generate frankly ridiculous amounts of money for doing something a) she was probably going to do anyways, and b) plenty of people on the internet already do for free.

People need to stop assuming all hate is the same. Just because I intensely dislike this woman and what she has done here doesn't mean I hold any other special opinion about the subject matter. I actually think it's a very interesting topic and well worthy of discussion. That doesn't mean I think anyone deserves six figures just for discussing it.

In a nutshell: she's cashing in on the kickstarter craze and the uptick in female gaming discussion. People toss her a couple dollars to show their support for the issue, but they could just as easily sign a petition or pledge involving the exact same subject matter while simultaneously sending their money to an organization that will actually help women - versus, you know, lining some internet video-maker's pockets.

And yes, I know it is every red-blooded american's right to cash in on anything and in every way. That doesn't mean I have to approve of it.

For the record, were she to donate a substantial amount of the fund to an organization that aids victims of abuse or helps out struggling single mothers, I'd pull a complete 180 on her.
 

Pandabearparade

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Knight Templar said:
Because this is a gaming site, and those people are not really related to gaming.
That's a fair retort. I'll concede that point.

I still hold that Anita is using every bit of harassment she gets as a substitute for making good points, and she lumps in rational replies that civilly disagree with her right in with the obviously misogynistic crap.
 

blalien

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snowplow said:
You have absolutely ZERO reasoning in that paragraph that would explain why she needs 200K USD to play video games and write about them. It's completely ridiculous, and it is even more ridiculous that you're defending it.
I'm so sick of this argument. Seriously, write this on the inside of your eyelids until it sinks in. She didn't ask for the $150K! She only asked for $6K, and everything above that was voluntarily given to her. Granted, it remains to be seen what she does with the money, and I'm hoping she gives most of it to charity, but we don't know that yet. I'm going to repeat this so everybody understands:

The money Anita Sarkeesian received on her Kickstarter, past the initial $6K, was not asked for, and the large amount of money she raised does not reflect on her personal character.
 

lacktheknack

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RapeisGenocide said:
What 'problem' are you referring to?

Well, I was aiming at -

I'd like to know because I'm currently having a terrible drink my sister made, and I need a good excuse to spit it all out.
...Never mind.
 

Lionsfan

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Rakor said:
I still think this money could go to much better things than a few web videos breaking down concepts we already know about. I wonder if she has made any statement as to what specific things this large amount of money will go into.
I don't know if you've looked it up or not, but I don't believe she has. Her last update [http://www.feministfrequency.com/] was June 17th, saying:
Who knew running a Kickstarter campaign could be such a roller coaster ride!? I am truly and sincerely honored by the outpouring of support for this project. It gives me great hope to see that so many people of all genders are concerned about the way women are represented in gaming. I?m also deeply moved by the fact that so many of you are standing with me against this staggering tidal wave of hate and harassment. After the last two weeks, I have to say, I?m pretty exhausted but so very excited about what is to come with the future of Tropes vs Women in Video Games.

Backers can keep up to date on my Kickstarter page where I will be posting regular production updates and details about the evolution of the project and how it will expand given all the extra funding.
The link to her KickStarter [http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/566429325/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games/posts] page shows it was last updated June 17th, with that update "for backers only".

So she might have given an explanation in there, but I'm not a backer so I can't be sure. I haven't seen anyone else report what she's planning on doing though, so I'm inclined to think she hasn't.

Hopefully the delay means she can't think of anything rather than she just stole it like others have alleged
 

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blalien said:
The money Anita Sarkeesian received on her Kickstarter, past the initial $6K, was not asked for, and the large amount of money she raised does not reflect on her personal character.
But haven't you heard that money is evil? [small]But only when it's donated to a cause that rustles gamer jimmies.[/small]

Also Anita Sarkeesian is totally a scammer guise. [small]We don't have any evidence for this, but we're going to try really hard to believe it because the alternative is that /v/ and reddit gave a ton of free publicity to someone they disagree with when they of all people should have known better.[/small]
 

Hjalmar Fryklund

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Elate said:
Hey, now, I ain't about to judge what someone pulls their pudding too, if weird tentacle cartoons involving sonic are your thing, more power to ya.
That wasn't quite what I was thinking of, but in hindsight it was pretty darn silly/immature of me to forward it to you. Not one of my better moments.
 

AkaDad

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The reason a lot of male gamers hate women is because women keep rejecting their sexual advances. They can't get laid so they take out their frustrations on women, specifically feminists.
 

blalien

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Buretsu said:
blalien said:
snowplow said:
You have absolutely ZERO reasoning in that paragraph that would explain why she needs 200K USD to play video games and write about them. It's completely ridiculous, and it is even more ridiculous that you're defending it.
I'm so sick of this argument. Seriously, write this on the inside of your eyelids until it sinks in. She didn't ask for the $150K! She only asked for $6K, and everything above that was voluntarily given to her. Granted, it remains to be seen what she does with the money, and I'm hoping she gives most of it to charity, but we don't know that yet. I'm going to repeat this so everybody understands:

The money Anita Sarkeesian received on her Kickstarter, past the initial $6K, was not asked for, and the large amount of money she raised does not reflect on her personal character.
She didn't ask for more than $6k, but by making a big deal about the negative comments she had received, she ended up raising a large amount of money by playing to everybody's guilt and white knight desires. If she was Light, it would be "just as planned".
Yeah, how dare that harpy...point out that people made rape and death threats against her. I'm thinking you're just really jealous of her success and are grasping at straws to find some way to frame this like she did something wrong.
 

Giftmacher

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Pretty sick, if there was a valid criticism it just got lost in this guy's chosen method of communicating.
 

AngelBlackChaos

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maninahat said:
Actual said:
I see no problem with a game about punching someone who annoys you in the face.

OH WAIT! It's a woman? Ban this disgraceful filth!
AnAutisticDog said:
Meh, if it was about beating a man nobody would care.
Well done for completely missing the point. It isn't about her being a woman - its about a blameless person being faced with an unprecedented onslaught of negativity and misogyny, just for talking about video game characters. She's hardly comparable to the Bin Laden and Jar Jar punching bags.
And some people do care. I don't think anyone should have a game made for people to beat the shit out of them just because their beliefs are different. Hell. If I knew of a "Make a video proving women shouldn't be involved in gaming" Kickstarter, and the guy claimed sexist things with shoddy research, and people donated to it, it would be whatevs. I wouldn't be inspired to making a flash game imagining beating him, nor would i support one made by others.

its disgusting.
 

AngelBlackChaos

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blalien said:
Buretsu said:
blalien said:
snowplow said:
You have absolutely ZERO reasoning in that paragraph that would explain why she needs 200K USD to play video games and write about them. It's completely ridiculous, and it is even more ridiculous that you're defending it.
I'm so sick of this argument. Seriously, write this on the inside of your eyelids until it sinks in. She didn't ask for the $150K! She only asked for $6K, and everything above that was voluntarily given to her. Granted, it remains to be seen what she does with the money, and I'm hoping she gives most of it to charity, but we don't know that yet. I'm going to repeat this so everybody understands:

The money Anita Sarkeesian received on her Kickstarter, past the initial $6K, was not asked for, and the large amount of money she raised does not reflect on her personal character.
She didn't ask for more than $6k, but by making a big deal about the negative comments she had received, she ended up raising a large amount of money by playing to everybody's guilt and white knight desires. If she was Light, it would be "just as planned".
Yeah, how dare that harpy...point out that people made rape and death threats against her. I'm thinking you're just really jealous of her success and are grasping at straws to find some way to frame this like she did something wrong.
And she didn't really have to. Youtube comments themselves kind of prove the point.
 

dyre

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meh, worse things have happened to better people. This stuff is pretty ridiculous though.
 

Krion_Vark

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Moonlight Butterfly said:
Also the fact that she sees half naked women everywhere doesn't make it 'right'.
Her argument here isn't that its right its that games are not the only place that this is seen which Anita tries to make people think it does from her video.
Men are made for male gamer power fantasies not for women to drool over. It's called false equivalence.
You do realize that woman still fawn over the males in games. You also realize that there are normally dressed woman in quite a few games and the scantily clad ones are usually the ones that are in fighting games.

Zelda and Princess Peach are pretty much the exact definition of a damsel in distress. Why the hell is Zelda even being captured in the first place if she can bring Ganondorf to his knees with one spell?
Why do the most powerful people fall to the weak ones? Mostly because they let their guard down.
I will give you the one about Princess Peach because I really don't agree with that one and find her to fit the damsel in distress perfectly.
But Zelda in the most recent games, I am talking about Ocarina, Windwaker and Skyward Sword, is not a damsel in distress. Link is trying to kill an overarching evil in each of them but saving Zelda plays mostly second fiddle until the very end of the game where saving her means saving the world. Zelda plays more of a role of embodiment of the world they are living in. In Ocarina of Time she dresses up as Shiek and goes against Gannondorf which is how pretty much the entire world of Hyrule feels. Only after she lets her guard down in that game does she get captured. In Windwaker shes a fucking Pirate. The world is covered by 90% of water at this point in time and she is the captain of a Pirate crew that traverses the world which is what quite a few of the people of that world wish to do. And Skyward Sword Zelda is realized as the messenger of the Goddess to which she must stop the Demise from reviving and destroying the world.
Links adventures don't follow the Damsel in distress formula.


All of her points are totally bogus.
To which I have to kindly disagree and say that they are not totally bogus. A few of them are but not all of them.
 

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Lionsfan said:
The link to her KickStarter [http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/566429325/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games/posts] page shows it was last updated June 17th, with that update "for backers only".

So she might have given an explanation in there, but I'm not a backer so I can't be sure. I haven't seen anyone else report what she's planning on doing though, so I'm inclined to think she hasn't.

Hopefully the delay means she can't think of anything rather than she just stole it like others have alleged
I really wish I had backed her a dollar just to see what was posted there.