Flash Game Makes Players Beat Up "Tropes vs. Women" Creator

[Someone Depressing]

....Really? Fucking honestly? As gamers, we're simply backfiring against ourselves, proving most some of us to be sexist, hypocritical bastards. I want to puke, but I had done so recently looking at Tera's female high-level character armour, and I don't think I have any stomach fluids left.

 

[LiquidGrape]

Gotta love how some people attempt to deflect the issue by highlighting how Sarkeesian has allegedly scammed people out of money; money willingly given as an act of solidarity and with no bearing on the finances of those who disagree with the project, all way beyond her intended projections.

Sexism permeates every facet of society. Gaming and gaming culture is no exception. This abhorrent flash game is just another confirmation that the endemic issues persist, in that some people will think up any kind of qualifier if it allows them the opportunity to persecute a woman for having the galls to offer a contrary stance.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Also the fact that she sees half naked women everywhere doesn't make it 'right'.

Her argument here isn't that its right its that games are not the only place that this is seen which Anita tries to make people think it does from her video.

Men are made for male gamer power fantasies not for women to drool over. It's called false equivalence.

You do realize that woman still fawn over the males in games. You also realize that there are normally dressed woman in quite a few games and the scantily clad ones are usually the ones that are in fighting games.

Zelda and Princess Peach are pretty much the exact definition of a damsel in distress. Why the hell is Zelda even being captured in the first place if she can bring Ganondorf to his knees with one spell?

Why do the most powerful people fall to the weak ones? Mostly because they let their guard down.
I will give you the one about Princess Peach because I really don't agree with that one and find her to fit the damsel in distress perfectly.
But Zelda in the most recent games, I am talking about Ocarina, Windwaker and Skyward Sword, is not a damsel in distress. Link is trying to kill an overarching evil in each of them but saving Zelda plays mostly second fiddle until the very end of the game where saving her means saving the world. Zelda plays more of a role of embodiment of the world they are living in. In Ocarina of Time she dresses up as Shiek and goes against Gannondorf which is how pretty much the entire world of Hyrule feels. Only after she lets her guard down in that game does she get captured. In Windwaker shes a fucking Pirate. The world is covered by 90% of water at this point in time and she is the captain of a Pirate crew that traverses the world which is what quite a few of the people of that world wish to do. And Skyward Sword Zelda is realized as the messenger of the Goddess to which she must stop the Demise from reviving and destroying the world.
Links adventures don't follow the Damsel in distress formula.

All of her points are totally bogus.

To which I have to kindly disagree and say that they are not totally bogus. A few of them are but not all of them.

Please point out where Sarkeesian says that games are the only place this stuff happens because I'm pretty sure that she has NEVER said that. In fact she has many other videos commenting on different media.

Something that annoys me about Zelda is that yeah she gets set up as a pirate or whatever then she STILL gets kidnapped just to forward the plot. Why? Ganondorf can still take over the kingdom without a damsel in distress. Zelda could be an ultimate badass ninja pirate and she would still get kidnapped by Ganon it's kind of lame.

Yeah fighting games are still the biggest offenders of half naked ladies but thats a point to prove Sarkeesians point that there is a problem not a point against it. Also 'normally dressed' is a really loose term. Most women in video games are not dressed for what they are going to do. Look at the Unskippable episode of Never Dead for example. Yay tactical sweater dress and heels! Even if women are in sensible clothes they usually have a low cut top or tight pants. You almost never see women in full combat gear.

Spoiler: Male characters are not sexualised in games. They are put across as power fantasies. The only recent male character I thought was hot was maybe Kaiden in ME3. I really had to think there as well and I play a lot of video games.

They just aren't presented as characters to be lusted after the same as women. It really isn't the same thing.

It's hilarious that some people are attacking her as a scammer. People gave her that money willingly she didn't extort it.

If you disagree with her point of view have the stones to say so don't hide behind some made up excuse.

 

[DRes82]

Since we're on the topic, you know what I hate? People who say "i don't want to live on this planet anymore". Fine, dipshit. Stop living on this planet. Its fairly easy to do.

Earth is quite an amazing place, and if it weren't for it, you wouldn't exist in the first place. Have you ever been to the fucking Grand Canyon? Or the goddamned Muir Woods? Have you seen the Aurora Borealis over a snow covered pine forest at night?

You don't like the planet, you're welcome to leave. More room for me.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Silly way of going about it. But they're not wrong in saying it's a scam.

Kickstarter is meant to be for people to raise money for projects that take startup capital they otherwise wouldn't have been able to afford.

Exactly how much startup capital does it take to make a series of youtube videos on overly sexualised females in videogames?

Because I could probably make that video for free. Just like other people already have.

She basically just used a few buzzwords that struck a chord with the right people and raked in 160g's.......... Brilliant idea, I applaud her scamming skills.

Wish I had the gall to do something like that.

Yeah because she totally forced people to donate money! Oh wait she didn't.

If you disagree with her pov have the stones to say so. Don't make up excuses.

 

[Bestival]

I literally don't give a flying monkey's ass about any of this. I don't care about the video she wants to make, I don't care about how much money she got on whatsit, and I don't care about a game where you can punch her.

I shot a thousand motherfuckers in the face in Saints Row 3 just this afternoon, why would I care about 1 person being punched in the face in some other game?
It's an immature response, sure, and it'll probably freak her out some, but as long as she's not attacked in real life who cares...

Whenever someone asks me why I play games, I reply; "It lets me do stuff I would never do in real life." This falls under that. (Hopefully...)

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Silly way of going about it. But they're not wrong in saying it's a scam.

Kickstarter is meant to be for people to raise money for projects that take startup capital they otherwise wouldn't have been able to afford.

Exactly how much startup capital does it take to make a series of youtube videos on overly sexualised females in videogames?

Because I could probably make that video for free. Just like other people already have.

She basically just used a few buzzwords that struck a chord with the right people and raked in 160g's.......... Brilliant idea, I applaud her scamming skills.

Wish I had the gall to do something like that.

Yeah because she totally forced people to donate money! Oh wait she didn't.

If you disagree with her pov have the stones to say so. Don't make up excuses.

You know who else didn't force people to donate money?

This guy.

Yet I and many others still reserve the right to call him a scam artist.... and a douche. But that's besides the point.

And actually I don't disagree with someone making a video about sexism in games. I'd love for it to be less biased, but I'm not against her message.

I'm against her making 160grand by promising to do something that could quite easily have been done for free.

But no please, carry one throwing baseless hissy fitted accusations at people who dare voice their opinion on something. Because that's not totally hypocritical or anything.

Why don't you go and tell Tim Schafer he is an idiot for donating then. Along with the other devs who chipped in

Sarkeesian is pretty well known for her vids on feminism. If this was Extra Credits asking for funds to do a series of vids no one would have any problem people would be throwing money at them.

She has the unfortunate position of being a female gamer with an opinion and so therefore she must be a scam artist. Despite being well known and respected....Seems Legit.

Also she never asked for 160 grand.

 

[DRes82]

She has the unfortunate position of being a female gamer with an opinion and so therefore she must be a scam artist. Despite being well known and respected....Seems Legit.

Its that kind of victim stance that causes feminists to lose any credibility they might have otherwise.

In actuality its, 'she's a woman and so she is definitely the victim here'. That just perpetuates the problem. Which I feel is a pretty minor problem. Sexism in video games? What about equality for minorities in real life? What about marriage rights for everyone?

She just comes off as a well-spoken, over privileged kid who duped a whole lot of people into giving her money to make expense-less web cam video blogs.

Edit: abandon beat me to it. heh.

 

[ElPatron]

"russian soldiers"

Which were all on that airport with no uniforms on.

I don't necessarily disagree with you. I disagree with your logic. Games have been made where you can punch George W. Bush, Bin Laden, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and I bet that if I look for it, there will be one for George Lucas too.

Yay! You've discovered what is known as "the problem of induction". It's the first thing taught on the first day of every Introduction to Philosophy of Science

Great, but I prefer real sciences myself.

I quoted this in my post: "I'm going to assume it is until I've seen evidence otherwise."

So I don't really care about the problem of induction. That would be more relevant if we were arguing if *all* types of asteroids have been found already, and such it would be safe to assume that there are no asteroids made from peas. That or Wikipedia misled me.

The most likely scenario here

Whatever you say, Detective Phelps. We'll put them away for a good time.

None offense taken, just can't agree with a wild theory based on keyboard psychology.

 

[ms_sunlight]

Great, but I prefer real sciences myself.

I quoted this in my post: "I'm going to assume it is until I've seen evidence otherwise."

So I don't really care about the problem of induction. That would be more relevant if we were arguing if *all* types of asteroids have been found already, and such it would be safe to assume that there are no asteroids made from peas. That or Wikipedia misled me.

I know I succumbed to sarcasm, but are you telling me that you really don't see how absurd it is to hold everyday judgements about people on the internet to a higher standard of proof than, say, physics theories?

Have the last word on this if you like; there's no benefit in arguing with the wilfully ignorant.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

snip.

I wasn't referring to the time they asked for money for Alison. I meant that if they asked for it now no one would have any problem with them.

She didn't ask for 160 grand she asked for 6,000. Which looking at the other youtube projects on kickstarter is pretty reasonable. I know that Doublefine asked for 150,000 dollars to make JUST the documentary part of their kickstarter.

This is not someone making vids with a webcam. She has an actual camera crew and wants to do in depth research.

And yeah the fact that you are calling her a scam artist when those allegations are ridiculous makes you look like you have a different agenda. I don't think It's too much of a stretch of the imagination to think that people are just looking for a different way to attack her.

I could also say sexualized women are a power fantasy for women gamers.

Lol no. Just no. My power fantasy isn't to solely exist to look pretty.

As for cosplayers well they don't have much choice if they want to portray the characters accurately do they.

There are a lot of things in her videos I don't agree with. Like the Big Barta part of her video on the women in fridges trope. But it doesn't mean I disagree with everything she says. I disagree with Yahtzee on occasion but I don't think he has any less merit as a game critic.

 

[ElPatron]

I know I succumbed to sarcasm, but are you telling me that you really don't see how absurd it is to hold everyday judgements about people on the internet

Tell that to the armchair psychology in this thread, bent on trying to prove everyone who hates that specific woman hates the freedom of women.

Besides, doesn't matter if it's physics (actually I was talking about astronomy in a *VERY* silly way), that's just grasping at straws. Doesn't matter if I was using entomology for the analogy, I mentioned mushed peas talking in French! It's already absurd, there is no point in digging trough it.

Have the last word on this if you like; there's no benefit in arguing with the wilfully ignorant.

Isn't Ad Hominem a logical fallacy? (you're not the only one who has studied philosophy, sport)

I could also say sexualized women are a power fantasy for women gamers.

Lol no. Just no. My power fantasy isn't to solely exist to look pretty.

And Marcus Fenix's only attribute is muscles, he spent 3 games not fighting and not behaving like the developer's ideal of manliness.

 

[The Almighty Aardvark]

Yes, let us show that gamers are not misogynistic by creating a game to beat up a woman!

*sigh*...

To the idiots who created this, I have to ask...

Spoiler

Just one thing I want to get out there, this game isn't inherently sexist. It's immature, stupid, shouldn't exist, and probably made by a sexist person. But since it's about beating a specific woman, and not women in general, it's not sexist.