Flash Game Makes Players Beat Up "Tropes vs. Women" Creator

[Ragsnstitches]

where I said that I think most people on Kickstarter are scamming people?

This one always cracks me up. A "scam" is when someone is tricked into paying money, not when someone spends money on something you wouldn't personally spend money on or something that rustles your jimmies.

Also, can we get back to the part where the guy who made this flash game also makes horrifying sanic hegehog porn? Because that part is hilarious.

Yeah, lets get back to that... could you relink that somethingawful page you had up earlier. It was freaking hilarious and I can't find it now.

 

[Kahunaburger]

where I said that I think most people on Kickstarter are scamming people?

This one always cracks me up. A "scam" is when someone is tricked into paying money, not when someone spends money on something you wouldn't personally spend money on or something that rustles your jimmies.

Also, can we get back to the part where the guy who made this flash game also makes horrifying sanic hegehog porn? Because that part is hilarious.

Yeah, lets get back to that... could you relink that somethingawful page you had up earlier. It was freaking hilarious and I can't find it now.

Here you go. [http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3493184&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=50]

He tried to take down the disturbing sanic pr0n link, but someone captured a screenshot of the hilarity before that happened. Screenshot in question (Not Work Safe, Not Mind Safe) is linked about a third of the way down the thread.

It actually gets worse than is discussed in the SA thread. This guy has a furaffinity page. I have no idea what's on that page, and I don't think I have the stomach to find out. And he's apparently also known as losttrap, and googling that also reveals NWS/NMS horrors. And of course his twitter is full of horrifying (in a different way) MRA garbage.

So, yeah, the sort of person who gets this outraged by Anita Sarkeesian, ladies and gents.

 

[Kahunaburger]

I just think it's rather hilarious that people are painting her as some valiant crusader when all she's done is go on kickstarter

Haha nope. FF is used in classrooms, and she gets invited to speak at stuff. In other words, what she lacks in credibility with /v/ and reddit, she makes up with credibility with people not from /v/ and reddit.

 

[Khrowley]

Ok I'd really like it if one of these trolls could explain how being a sexist is any different or better than being a racist. Really, what justification can they have to seperate themselves from, while at the same time validate, hundreds of years of people being abused and degraded because others felt it was right and acceptable?

 

[Sunrider]

It feels like I'm playing a League of Legends game when I'm reading stuff like this.

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG? No?

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

I'm saying that a character who is the sum of her looks is not what I am looking for in character. Femshep is comparatively plain but I would rather play her than Ivy from soul calibur with her baps hanging out any day. Women want to be heroes too not just eye candy for guys.

Question: What about all the people who actually want to play games for the fantasy and look on the extreme from fat princess or Chun-li? Don't they have the right to play the game and look like what they want to look at without the chains of reality?

Honestly the real bugbear here that I notice is that you want people to play games that are so grounded into the mundane reality that one forgets that video games as a form of entertainment are that of a fantasy. Doesn't anyone else matter in this situation? Cause while you are so entrenched and against people wearing what they actually like wearing casual clothing as they feel comfortable in be it short skirts or half shirts(I am terrible when it comes to fashion), you drag down the media and take away the rights of millions of others from not only what they like to wear in real life but also in video games. Why should the world be run by you and not the actual freedom knowing that people can wear what they desire? Why shouldn't video games and the developers be able to have complete freedom and indulge in the fantasy to create the characters they wish to create and be unchained from reality?

I mean your position is in such an extreme that you would rather take away the freedoms of others just to please your own personal philosophy. Where is the live and let live? I mean none of the violent video games have actually done anything to harm you, so why pick on the clothing?

EDIT: Aren't there any games that you like that completely separate itself from reality and have completely gorgeous female characters that wear what they want that aren't extremely conservative?

Not really because it just feels like pandering.

I want to play female characters that command a bit of respect and are characters in their own right. It doesn't mean that they have to be ugly the two aren't mutually exclusive. Take Lara Croft for example she is quite an awesome character in her original games yet she quite clearly looks like she was designed as a sexual fantasy for men.

I think that men often think women want all video game characters to be fugly. We don't. We just want them to be more than a pair of tits. Because women are more than a pair of tits.

 

[BRex21]

I'm saying that a character who is the sum of her looks is not what I am looking for in character. Femshep is comparatively plain but I would rather play her than Ivy from soul calibur with her baps hanging out any day. Women want to be heroes too not just eye candy for guys.

Ivy has a rich backstory you just never bothered to learn it to add fuel to your argument. Although if you are complaining about it not being clearly explained in gameplay that's really a genre issue though isn't it? In gameplay there is a complete lack of characterization beyond this is person X they are stereotype X. Its not a sex issue its all about genre.
Besides, by "relatively plain" you mean has it going on in the traditional sense don't you?

I don't think she is crying victim considering she was outright viciously attacked when she announced her project. That is outright victim blaming right there.

I am so sick of this bullshit defenition of victim blaming. She provoked it. She specifically trolled 4chan with this in order to generate the controversy about her being "viciously attacked". If someone lies in the street and gets run over they are still an idiot for lying in traffic. By victim blaming now means expecting people to understand that they are adults and that actions have consequences than that's what i'm doing. But in this world when a girl cries, much like a toddler, she gets attention and this woman is taking advantage of that.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Ivy has a rich backstory you just never bothered to learn it

You mean the "backstory" that consists of a couple of paragraphs that never make it into actual gameplay? Although Ivy's a pretty good example of how the ololololol boobs school of thought fails at visual design. She neither looks the part of a alchemist who dabbles in diabolism nor someone about to get into a swordfight.

She specifically trolled 4chan

[citation needed]

Seriously, I know /v/ really, really wants to believe this, but there's no convincing evidence it's the case.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

I'm saying that a character who is the sum of her looks is not what I am looking for in character. Femshep is comparatively plain but I would rather play her than Ivy from soul calibur with her baps hanging out any day. Women want to be heroes too not just eye candy for guys.

Ivy has a rich backstory you just never bothered to learn it to add fuel to your argument. Although if you are complaining about it not being clearly explained in gameplay that's really a genre issue though isn't it? In gameplay there is a complete lack of characterization beyond this is person X they are stereotype X. Its not a sex issue its all about genre.
Besides, by "relatively plain" you mean has it going on in the traditional sense don't you?

I don't think she is crying victim considering she was outright viciously attacked when she announced her project. That is outright victim blaming right there.

I am so sick of this bullshit defenition of victim blaming. She provoked it. She specifically trolled 4chan with this in order to generate the controversy about her being "viciously attacked". If someone lies in the street and gets run over they are still an idiot for lying in traffic. By victim blaming now means expecting people to understand that they are adults and that actions have consequences than that's what i'm doing. But in this world when a girl cries, much like a toddler, she gets attention and this woman is taking advantage of that.

Oh Ivy yeah...the one who has stayed exactly the same age while the male characters have all aged around her...and only her boobs are shown on advertisements. I'm sure she's really there to be a rich and deep character.

So you think it's her fault that she was attacked for speaking her opinion and women should just keep their opinions to themselves or have to put up with endless and vicious harassment. Um..yeah..how about NO.

''Besides, by "relatively plain" you mean has it going on in the traditional sense don't you?'' I have no idea what you mean by that, seriously.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Oh Ivy yeah...the one who has stayed exactly the same age while the male characters have all aged around her...and only her boobs are shown on advertisements. I'm sure she's really there to be a rich and deep character.

So you think it's her fault that she was attacked for speaking her opinion and women should just keep their opinions to themselves or have to put up with endless and vicious harassment. Um..yeah..how about NO.

''Besides, by "relatively plain" you mean has it going on in the traditional sense don't you?'' I have no idea what you mean by that, seriously.

Just a note and this is coming from a guy who isn't even a hard core fighting player. Cervantas(Ivy's father) is immortal that stopped ageing around 50 years old.

Raphael who was introduced in Soul Calibur 2 has also stopped aging around the age of 35.

So yeah, not all the male characters have aged around her. Also would you be in support of characters aging, retiring and moving on because it's a hard fact of reality? I mean it's kinda hypocritical to be all picky-uni on what you think is alright to criticize without looking at the bigger picture.

Also nice knock on the series that actually tries to use its canon to tell a story that actually advances the story of those who actually live and die fighting due to the mystical power of soul calibur/edge. I mean you give crap to a series that has actually taken the bloodline of characters and have them go from minor characters to becoming main characters in their own right. That is actually pretty dynamic when it comes to video games instead of always starting at a blank slate situation.

Im sorry but when it made a poster only showing her boobs off and even cut off her face I'm afraid they gave up all pretense of her being a 'deep character'.

I used to love soul calibur and played Sophitia non stop. But then her clothes just got smaller and smaller and it just got silly.

I know they have retired other female characters while the males have gotten to stay as older versions. Because who wants to look at an old lady right?

 

[sideshow]

as upset as i am i will say this. atleast she was beaten up in virtual reality rather real life.

To be honest, i'd like to see the first episode of this Tropes VS Women and THEN make my opinion. as for the current reaction.......i still think i'm asleep and this didn't really happen.


......or it did happen and the person who made that flash game has their electronics taken by Jim Sterling's hammer. and by taken i mean broken into tiny bits

I don't know why you should look forward to her video. Uwe Boll makes bad movies, why would you look forward to his next one?

Her analysis of Bayonetta consists of saying it is sexy therefore it is bad with no explanation WHY it is bad. Then she says it is to blame for women getting unwanted groping on Japanese subway trains... with absolutely no explanation how a fictional depiction of a woman who is never shown being sexually touched leads to sexual assault. The only link is male heterosexuality.

It's nonsense.

This adds nothing to the discussion. This totally fails as a discussion, this only works as an ignorant one-sided lecture where she never engages with any of the criticism. And she clearly reads everything, but cherry picks the trolls. Chose your own straw-man.

She doesn't like Bayonetta being sexual... but she can't just be frank that that is her personal preference, she has to make up nonsense about how this causes sexual assault without looking at the actual circumstances of those assaults, she just jumps to conclusions.

http://www.destructoid.com/interview-anita-sarkeesian-games-and-tropes-vs-women-230337.phtml

In a game that totally defies all laws of physics she complains about her wearing high heels and not wearing trousers. She doesn't actually give an objective reason why she can't just wear underpants, I don't see anyone objecting to how female Olympic athletes wear pretty much only swimsuit-bottoms. Why should a female have to conceal her legs? Is this Saudi Arabia?

Now I never said I'm looking forward to it. So please, stop with the dozens of reasons that i can go on any random site to find.

What I meant was I'd like to see what opinion she has before i disagree with it. How can you judge something you haven't even seen? and by that i mean her Tropes VS Women.

Now, to be fair, after i commented i checked some of her videos. there are things i disagree with. but really this is the equivalent of a religious YT video saying how gays are the spawn of nazis or another Zerowolf64 rant video. and i know my stance when it comes to Sarkeesian. However I can't really judge what she will eventually say on women in video games UNTIL I ACTUALLY SEE IT. Its like a film critique wanting to judge a bad movie but hasn't seen it so he wouldn't really be sure its bad or not.

In short, not looking forward to it but want to see it for someone else's opinion.

So, you don't need to bombard me with info that i've already looked up.

 

[invadergir]

from the front page of her website:

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Is she serious? She got $160k and is still asking for more money?

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Im sorry but when it made a poster only showing her boobs off and even cut off her face I'm afraid they gave up all pretense of her being a 'deep character'.

I used to love soul calibur and played Sophitia non stop. But then her clothes just got smaller and smaller and it just got silly.

I know they have retired other female characters while the males have gotten to stay as older versions. Because who wants to look at an old lady right?

That would be a failure of you for not being capable of discerning marketing from the actual developers and writers who actually made the game.

Also once again you take things so personally. That is again a problem with you. Okay so they retired some female characters? Their children fight on in their stead. Doesn't that matter to you? Or since you are so reliant on being chained to reality doesn't the female body break down in terms of physical conditioning compared to that of the male body? Wouldn't it make sense that a male would be able to partake and fight in such tournaments?

Nope.

There's no reason to think that the women would be any worse off than the guys. I think everyone knows they have only been replaced because they wouldn't make good eye candy.