Forget the zombie apocalypse

[Stringytank]

The first step in any regime is disarming the population to prevent rebellion after the government takes complete control.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control#Resisting_tyranny

 

[AntiThom]

Wow it must suck to have your balls cut off by your own government, you gotta tell me how that feels sometime.

It's official. You apparently need a firearm to feel like a man. You know a tool that any idiot can use to kill someone. Oh wait, we can do that with knives!

Man Law #1237 = Manliness does not scale with your ability to kill.

Well you said it. All I said was that the government in his country has all the power, and it's "people" lack the power to impose any sort of limitations on it. Of course I guess none of you Brits can relate to the American quality of the power vested to the people.

 

[Gimelbub]

Good, you americans cannot even be trusted to handle vegetable peelers. You do not deserve firearms. However on the other hand it is your access to guns that helps keep your population in check thus preventing your stupidity from overrunning the world... come to think of it most americans have the same IQ, gait, smell, volcabulary and voracious appetite as the living dead... *flee*

I must say I'm somewhat offended. The fact that the majority of America's population is comprised of drooling idiots doesn't give you any right to call all Americans stupid.

 

[Abako]

Im not going to go into a length discussion on why gun control is utter shit, you can go watch Penn & Teller's Bullshit! on gun control for that. But I will tell you that more accidents that result in serious injury and death happen on staircases than ones involving guns.

So. If you want to ban guns, then by your logic, you should also ban staircases and mandate that all houses should have a mandatory elevator installed in order to reduce the number of deaths around the world. Thank you.

Also, just because a citizen is 'law-abiding' doesn't mean they are incapable of murder - the majority of murders are so called 'passion killers' who just get so enraged they end up killing someone out of heat of the moment. Anyone, law-abiding or not, can do this; taking away guns prevents this from happening, naturally. There was a case where a police sheriff (more than just a respectable citizen, I'm sure) ended up shooting his family out of heat of the moment.

Also FightThePower more passions of the moment killers end up using some for of knife or blunt object 33 times more than a fire arm so you are plain ingnorant and like to present what you think as fact. DO YOUR FUCKING RESEARCH BEFORE YOU ARGUE PEOPLE. Sorry for the ULTRACAPS.

 

[Johnn Johnston]

Well you said it. All I said was that the government in his country has all the power, and it's "people" lack the power to impose any sort of limitations on it. Of course I guess none of you Brits can relate to the American quality of the power vested to the people.

...I'm not 100% certain after that post whether you realise that in Britain, you do have the right to vote. If you knew that, then you seem to be ignoring your own knowledge for the sake of making a point (that would be rebuked). If you didn't know that, then you really are on the ignorant side.

The first step in any regime is disarming the population to prevent rebellion after the government takes complete control.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control#Resisting_tyranny

We've outlawed guns for a while here in Britain, and the government hasn't taken complete control yet. When it does, you can let me know that you called it, but until then, I'll use the UK as an example towards my point that gun control in the USA will not be a bad decision.

Im not going to go into a length discussion on why gun control is utter shit, you can go watch Penn & Teller's Bullshit! on gun control for that. But I will tell you that more accidents that result in serious injury and death happen on staircases than ones involving guns.

So. If you want to ban guns, then by your logic, you should also ban staircases and mandate that all houses should have a mandatory elevator installed in order to reduce the number of deaths around the world. Thank you.

Reading a coherent post that is against gun control was a breath of fresh air. Anyhoo, you can't use a staircase as a murder weapon. If you put tighter restrictions on guns, then people wouldn't be able to legally buy one for a malicious use. Staircases could not be used for malicious use if they were banned or not. Hope that makes sense. Read a little weird when I was reading it back to myself.

 

[mokes310]

Again, you are WRONG. I didn't know that personal opinions were always facts. I don't refer to myself as an "innocent person" more like a "citizen". AND 80 MILLION citizens legally own firearms here in the U.S., out of which less than 1% use those guns in a crime. It's the criminals, with thier illegally obtained handguns that are causing the problems here.

And where did you get that statistic? NRA?

 

[notyouraveragejoe]

I'd like to clue you in on two facts on guns:

-Guns Are Bad
-Guns Kill

These are the two reasons I agree that guns should be prohibited. Most murders caused by people are them wielding guns they legally obtained. Now if we made them ILLEGAL we could stop the guys before they start killing.

In the names of a true non-American: Take The Guns Off The Hands Of Them! Go Gun Control!!

Edit: Now to add other arguments backed with facts

- To whomever said violent crime was higher in Britain I would like to remind you that the rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)

- To quote Professor Martin Killias "The level of gun ownership world-wide is directly related to murder and suicide rates and specifically to the level of death by gunfire."

- To further show the effect of fire arms, in one year, more children and teens died from gunfire than from cancer, pneumonia, influenza, asthma, and HIV/AIDS combined (I am guessing in America for this Source has given no name however the country this is talking about for the rest is America). (Children's Defense Fund)

- To put things into numbers, every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence (Coalition to Stop Gun Violence), between 1979 and 2001, gunfire killed 90,000 children and teens in America (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics), studies show that 1 percent of gun stores sell the weapons traced to 57 percent of gun crimes (ATF Studies), In 1998-99 academic year, 3,523 students were expelled for bringing a firearm to school (U.S. Department of Education, October 2000).

- Furthermore American kids are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control).

- Finally another quote from Professor of Criminology Thomas Gabor "Homicide rates tend to be related to firearm ownership levels. Everything else being equal, a reduction in the percentage of households owning firearms should occasion a drop in the homicide rate"

According to these I am firmly for gun control.

Sources: http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm and http://www.neahin.org/programs/schoolsafety/gunsafety/statistics.htm#children

 

[excessum ado]

I really dont see how this is relevant to a zombie apocalypse...

 

[Bertinan]

I've always found the idea of gun control pretty interesting. It's amazing how many people are actually willing to let the government interfere in these situations.

Much more amusing fact? You're more likely to die in a car accident than by a gun. Thus, in the interests of protecting the people, the government should make a mandatory law where ALL people of driving age must pass a test equivalent to the stunt drivers you see driving in commercials, to ensure that people will be safe. They should also VERY strictly enforce a no more than 35 mph speed on ALL roads, including highways, so that no one can have any accidents. Oh, and all drivers are to undergo yearly psych exams, to ensure no one has any issues with road rage...

And I object to the idea that Britain is somehow safer than America is. Violent crime rates (which includes things like muggings, etc.) happen more often there than here. If you want the exact facts, go look for them yourselves. You lot wouldn't believe me anyway, not even if I had the creator himself come down and say, "Yeah, that's true."

 

[AntiThom]

...I'm not 100% certain after that post whether you realise that in Britain, you do have the right to vote. If you knew that, then you seem to be ignoring your own knowledge for the sake of making a point (that would be rebuked). If you didn't know that, then you really are on the ignorant side.

I didn't say you didn't have the right to vote, I know that you do. I was reffering to the old-as-time logic that words have absolutely no power, and are merely symbols. What does your vote amount to, when it can be tossed out, circumvented, or outright ignored. Our right to bear arms is to our voices the same as gold is to a dollar (a somewhat ironic statement givin today's dollar, but it's to illustrate a point).

 

[AntiThom]

I'd like to clue you in on two facts on guns:

-Guns Are Bad
-Guns Kill

These are the two reasons I agree that guns should be prohibited. Most murders caused by people are them wielding guns they legally obtained. Now if we made them ILLEGAL we could stop the guys before they start killing.

In the names of a true non-American: Take The Guns Off The Hands Of Them! Go Gun Control!!

This should blow you mind:

-People are bad
-People kill, guns or no guns

 

[Johnn Johnston]

...I'm not 100% certain after that post whether you realise that in Britain, you do have the right to vote. If you knew that, then you seem to be ignoring your own knowledge for the sake of making a point (that would be rebuked). If you didn't know that, then you really are on the ignorant side.

I didn't say you didn't have the right to vote, I know that you do. I was reffering to the old-as-time logic that words have absolutely no power, and are merely symbols. What does your vote amount to, when it can be tossed out, circumvented, or outright ignored. Our right to bear arms is to our voices the same as gold is to a dollar (a somewhat ironic statement givin today's dollar, but it's to illustrate a point).

Ok. Now what I'm getting is that you can make a statement as politically valid by owning a gun as you can make by posing a question in a debate. I understand that may not be your intended point, but that's the message you post is giving me. (And last time I checked, vote's weren't legally allowed to be ignored. Just a heads-up)

 

[magnus gallant]

What we really need to worry about is the government taking our guns! Obama and Biden are the dynamic duo of gun control and prohibition! Don't let the man fool you, and don't shrug it off either.. it happened in the UK and in Australia, and it can happen here if we let it! Tyranny is a few well targeted pieces of legislation away!



EDIT: Watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_YTM_eAWnQ

you need gun control for people like you, the ones that aren't responsible enough to handle it, you wuoldnt need a gun if you werent afraid. i live in canada, we have decent gun control, ive never even seen a gun outside other than the one time i went hunting with my grandfather(all we shot was cans, neither of us wanted to kill anything). i see rare violence, but perhaps i dont live i na big enough city

im sorry if that sounded condesending

 

[KarmicToast]

Good, you americans cannot even be trusted to handle vegetable peelers. You do not deserve firearms. However on the other hand it is your access to guns that helps keep your population in check thus preventing your stupidity from overrunning the world... come to think of it most americans have the same IQ, gait, smell, volcabulary and voracious appetite as the living dead... *flee*

Wow. Shocking that a post about "saving our guns!" would bring out the best class of people.

 

[AntiThom]

What we really need to worry about is the government taking our guns! Obama and Biden are the dynamic duo of gun control and prohibition! Don't let the man fool you, and don't shrug it off either.. it happened in the UK and in Australia, and it can happen here if we let it! Tyranny is a few well targeted pieces of legislation away!



EDIT: Watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_YTM_eAWnQ

you need gun control for people like you, the ones that aren't responsible enough to handle it, you wuoldnt need a gun if you werent afraid. i live in canada, we have decent gun control, ive never even seen a gun outside other than the one time i went hunting with my grandfather(all we shot was cans, neither of us wanted to kill anything). i see rare violence, but perhaps i dont live i na big enough city

im sorry if that sounded condesending

I don't hunt, I don't take my firearms off of my property, and I'm so sorry for your loss of freedom, must be tragic.

 

[Lord Fujor]

as someone who lives in the UK i have only ever been offered once in my 23 year life to buy a gun, a Glock.

I'd say thats pretty good going sadly people are getting knived in the UK at an alarming rate. in a world where a table leg can be a murder weopean i think it's quite sad that civilised countries still sell guns and knives with little checks on those who buy them.

i don't think Americans are idiots but it makes me laugh that antithom talks about the English government cutting our balls off when hs own country; the government and the media has filled him with so much fear that he needs a gun because he clearly is afraid someone will rob him, or shoot him dead in the street, or dare question his love for his country, or be a communist, or be a muslim in a christian country or heaven forbid think that gun control is a good idea because wanting an assualt rifle to defend your home is far too excessive to be the thoughts of a rational person.

 

[notyouraveragejoe]

I'd like to clue you in on two facts on guns:

-Guns Are Bad
-Guns Kill

These are the two reasons I agree that guns should be prohibited. Most murders caused by people are them wielding guns they legally obtained. Now if we made them ILLEGAL we could stop the guys before they start killing.

In the names of a true non-American: Take The Guns Off The Hands Of Them! Go Gun Control!!

This should blow you mind:

-People are bad
-People kill, guns or no guns

People Kill... but guns are a tool to further that allow bad people an easier ability. (PS... my post is now fixed that it is backed up by fact)

 

[Johnn Johnston]

Much more amusing fact? You're more likely to die in a car accident than by a gun. Thus, in the interests of protecting the people, the government should make a mandatory law where ALL people of driving age must pass a test equivalent to the stunt drivers you see driving in commercials, to ensure that people will be safe. They should also VERY strictly enforce a no more than 35 mph speed on ALL roads, including highways, so that no one can have any accidents. Oh, and all drivers are to undergo yearly psych exams, to ensure no one has any issues with road rage...

Well, cars have a use other than killing someone. Unless you've found a way to pour me a cup of Earl Grey with a Beretta, I don't think you can classify guns and cars on the same level. And with cars, those are accidents that cause the deaths - it's a lot harder to commit murder in a 4x4 than it is to shoot someone, so this separates the two further. You'll need to find a more similar item to compare a gun to to make a valid point.