Forget the zombie apocalypse

[AntiThom]

Ok. Now what I'm getting is that you can make a statement as politically valid by owning a gun as you can make by posing a question in a debate. I understand that may not be your intended point, but that's the message you post is giving me. (And last time I checked, vote's weren't legally allowed to be ignored. Just a heads-up)

I think you missed my point entirely, I can only quote the genius of my founding fathers:
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -Thomas Jefferson

 

[thejackyl]

Good, you americans cannot even be trusted to handle vegetable peelers. You do not deserve firearms. However on the other hand it is your access to guns that helps keep your population in check thus preventing your stupidity from overrunning the world... come to think of it most americans have the same IQ, gait, smell, volcabulary and voracious appetite as the living dead... *flee*

Honestly... I'm American, and I don't find this offensive at all. It's true. The average American is an idiot. Perhaps I'm jaded by working in food service, and retail where I have to deal with you ignorant fucks all the time but I digress.

Besides, taking away guns won't solve anything accept prevent a few angsty high schoolers from creating graffiti in their bedrooms. The real criminals will still have access to them, it just prevents the rest of us from buying one and doing something stupid.

 

[Fanboy]

Ok. Now what I'm getting is that you can make a statement as politically valid by owning a gun as you can make by posing a question in a debate. I understand that may not be your intended point, but that's the message you post is giving me. (And last time I checked, vote's weren't legally allowed to be ignored. Just a heads-up)

I think you missed my point entirely, I can only quote the genius of my founding fathers:
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -Thomas Jefferson

Why are you afraid of your own government?

 

[AntiThom]

as someone who lives in the UK i have only ever been offered once in my 23 year life to buy a gun, a Glock.

I'd say thats pretty good going sadly people are getting knived in the UK at an alarming rate. in a world where a table leg can be a murder weopean i think it's quite sad that civilised countries still sell guns and knives with little checks on those who buy them.

i don't think Americans are idiots but it makes me laugh that antithom talks about the English government cutting our balls off when hs own country; the government and the media has filled him with so much fear that he needs a gun because he clearly is afraid someone will rob him, or shoot him dead in the street, or dare question his love for his country, or be a communist, or be a muslim in a christian country or heaven forbid think that gun control is a good idea because wanting an assualt rifle to defend your home is far too excessive to be the thoughts of a rational person.

The only thing I fear is that the media has made it a taboo to defend what is the most important of our rights. I am stigmatized for my beliefs, as you can see here. No media outlet pursues and spreads my beliefs, there's no money in that

 

[AntiThom]

Ok. Now what I'm getting is that you can make a statement as politically valid by owning a gun as you can make by posing a question in a debate. I understand that may not be your intended point, but that's the message you post is giving me. (And last time I checked, vote's weren't legally allowed to be ignored. Just a heads-up)

I think you missed my point entirely, I can only quote the genius of my founding fathers:
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -Thomas Jefferson

Why are you afraid of your own government?

In short: yes.

All governments are basically tyranny waiting to happen. The smaller the governments reach the better.

 

[Fanboy]

Why are you afraid of your own government?

In short: yes.

All governments are basically tyranny waiting to happen. The smaller the governments reach the better.

That wasn't a yes or no question.

Why do you think that your own government will become tyrannical?

 

[Johnn Johnston]

Ok. Now what I'm getting is that you can make a statement as politically valid by owning a gun as you can make by posing a question in a debate. I understand that may not be your intended point, but that's the message you post is giving me. (And last time I checked, vote's weren't legally allowed to be ignored. Just a heads-up)

I think you missed my point entirely, I can only quote the genius of my founding fathers:
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -Thomas Jefferson

Why are you afraid of your own government?

In short: yes.

All governments are basically tyranny waiting to happen. The smaller the governments reach the better.

Well, I hear Somalia's got a good housing market right now. The government there will rarely butt in on your business, so I guess that's fine for you.

Joking aside, (and I'll pretend I didn't notice that you answered the question "Why are you afraid?" with the answer "Yes") are you honestly saying that you expect Obama to take away so many of your freedoms that you have no choice but to lift your guns to the sky and start burning shit? If you keep saying that the current US administration is tyrannical and wants to control every ascept of your life, I'm going to have to assume that your one of those conspiracy nut types.

P.S: You can answer more than one point per post. You don't need a new post for a different person.

 

[AntiThom]

Why are you afraid of your own government?

In short: yes.

All governments are basically tyranny waiting to happen. The smaller the governments reach the better.

That wasn't a yes or no question.

Why do you think that your own government will become tyrannical?

Oh my apologies.

Simply because that is the nature of government. To control and constrain.

Our Constitution and Bill of Rights ensure us freedoms, and outline a very small federal government, complete with check and ballances. The whole purpose of America is to be a country where man lives free with his garaunteed rights. giving a little in return for a society free from external predators. And we were givin the 2nd amendment to ensure our freedom from internal predators.

 

[monostable]

Also, taking guns out of the hands of the population radically decreases their ability to kill each other. Something Americans haven't twigged yet.

WRONG. Gun Control in areas has provennot only to INCREASE violent crimes, but even GUN crimes in general. Why? That's because criminals don't obey laws, dipshit. And taking guns away from law-abiding citizens only makes them easier targets for said criminals. It's a proven fact, wise up.

NO, FOOL! Haven't you seen the subway bit in Predator 2? He kills everyone simply because they are armed!

 

[asteroth21nox]

In a truely advanced civilization (which we wont see in our life times I assure you since that would mean giveing up the monitary system and the truely powerfull wouldn't want that to happen...) there wont be a need for guns.

 

[FightThePower]

Also FightThePower more passions of the moment killers end up using some for of knife or blunt object 33 times more than a fire arm so you are plain ingnorant and like to present what you think as fact. DO YOUR FUCKING RESEARCH BEFORE YOU ARGUE PEOPLE. Sorry for the ULTRACAPS.

Irrelevant. Gun control would still prevent some murders, which is a good thing, right?

You are also in desperate need of growing up. Don't think you can shout and swear at someone just because you think you made your point.

 

[Lord Fujor]

being fair i'd be afraid of a government and a president who can't even find the country he invaded on a world map

Clinton was the best thing that happened to America for a long time, look at the shit storm thats kicked up in america now he's gone, hopefully obama will turn your into an economical, peaceful power house you once were not that long ago because the world is a better place when America isn't killing everyone or paying other people to kill each other

 

[ThePlasmatizer]

Anthitom's right if you take away Americas guns, us Brits will definitely try and invade you again, you have been warned.

jk

 

[AntiThom]

Joking aside, (and I'll pretend I didn't notice that you answered the question "Why are you afraid?" with the answer "Yes") are you honestly saying that you expect Obama to take away so many of your freedoms that you have no choice but to lift your guns to the sky and start burning shit? If you keep saying that the current US administration is tyrannical and wants to control every ascept of your life, I'm going to have to assume that your one of those conspiracy nut types.

I didn't like the Bush admin that much, and I definitely don't like what I see coming. Obama has spoken of taking liberties in changing my constitution.

I am not a loon, maniacle, or clinically insane. I simply hope for the best, prepare for the worst. Call me crazy but it sounds reasonable to me.

 

[Hunde Des Krieg]

Most gun crimes in the US are gang related and most gangs get there weapons illegaly from gun runners. Even If a law was passed banning Firearms it would be logistically impossible for the government to round up all the guns in the US. In the UK you don't usually have to worry as much about gun runners and smugglers because your law enforcement has less ground to cover. There are so many places and so many ways for guns to come here(to the US), combined with the gang/organized crime demand for guns. It equals out to there always being a gun problem in the US regardless of whether or not private citizens are permited to own firearms.
Now I live in rural Oregon, In my town there hasn't been a gun crime for decades, yet a large percentage of the population here owns guns. The reason there hasn't been gun crimes in my area is due to the lack of violent organized/semi-organized crime here. I am a gun owner, nothing crazy like an assualt rifle or semi-auto handgun, I just have a couple shotguns, because I enjoy skeet shooting. But my guns have never been involved in crime or accidents. And the crazier gun control nuts want to take away one of my hobbies because "Guns are evil". I am a responsible person that cares about gun safety and enjoys handling firearms, I will never commit a crime with my weapons, but some people still want to take them away. Is that fair? No, it is not.

What we really need to worry about is the government taking our guns! Obama and Biden are the dynamic duo of gun control and prohibition! Don't let the man fool you, and don't shrug it off either.. it happened in the UK and in Australia, and it can happen here if we let it! Tyranny is a few well targeted pieces of legislation away!



EDIT: Watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_YTM_eAWnQ

Stop acting like a sensationalist retarded dick, you give people like me a bad name.

 

[ace_of_something]

I don't refer to myself as an "innocent person"

So you're a criminal?

There is no innocence only varying degrees of guilt - Space Marines

 

[fluffylandmine]

Would you all like to know what a gun-owner thinks on the subject, one who isn't a raving lunatic?

Too bad you get it anyway.

I own a 12-gauge shot gun and a 22 caliber rifle. These are not because I have fallen into scare tactics of the media who tell you to sleep with a gun under your pillow(although they will just villainize you for believing them anyways). I simply have these for turkey and pheasant hunting, and it is a family tradition and teaching that you only kill what you plan upon eating, and you respect the firearm along with other responsible ideals.

My family has always had a strong belief in gun safety, and it truly shows in my useage of a firearm. Hunting is fine, selfdefense is why there are shovels and other long blunt objects.

I believe mine and only a few other escapists opinions would matter on the subject, due to the fact we are the ones who it affects, and we are the ones who who the legal, responsible, and safe ways to use and maintain a firearm.

AntiThom, all this being said: I sir, despise you.

 

[FightThePower]

Anthitom's right if you take away Americas guns, us Brits will definitely try and invade you again, you have been warned.

To be honest, if we did try to invade we would get our arses kicked.

I mean if you take away guns from their homes they still have about 90 billion more tanks than us

 

[Johnn Johnston]

AntiThom, all this being said: I sir, despise you.

I think it's a sign that you're arguing badly when even people that agree with you hate you.

 

[Lord Fujor]

Hunde, No one would really want to take guns away completly but im sure you understand that there should be some serious vetting in place to stop the wrong people getting guns, and also stopping the wrong guns going for sale.

you say you have a shotgun but i doubt it's a tactical 12. guage. you called assualt rifles crazy, well they are but im sure you think gun control is good