Fox & Friends Shoots at Modern Warfare 2

[Sanguinius- The Angel]

OH GOD. XDD "When you bring a game into a house, there is nothing stopping an 8 year old from picking it up and becoming a Terrorist." Dear GOD. Fox news is really losing it! You're a damned CIA Operative, infiltrating the organization to kill the leader! And that's gunna turn me into a Terrorist? Oh boy. If anything, it shows me that it doesn't pay:

Spoiler

*See Operative Allen getting shot in the face.

 

[GOATOFRAGE]

so at 18 u can;t play a game where u pretend to be a CIA agent (and even dont have to) and u dont have to shoot anyone but they send 18 year olds in the army to kill real people and thats cool???????????????????????????????????????

 

[GOATOFRAGE]

Doesn't Grand Theft Auto, Fallout 3, etc. allow you to kill good people? The reason this is controversial is because due to the terrorist threat of today.

and because of how ridiculously popular COD is

 

[kronoset]

Haha, "fair and balanced"...I stopped right there...


Where was good ole Fox n' Friends for Prototype?

 

[Tharwen]

Fox & Friends Shoots at Modern Warfare 2
"You're not actually a terrorist. You're a CIA undercover agent," he starts off explaining before unfortunately getting lost in the details. "You are infiltrating a terrorist organization and the game specifically says, when you go into, uh when you work with this terrorist organization. You are um... [pause] You are a a a uh a a a CIA operative. [laughs] I'm sorry,"

Thanks for the *SPOILERS INSIDE* warning! Oh, wait...

It's only the second mission anyway...

 

[Russian_Assassin]

Steyer started off by claiming that his personal opinion is unquestionable evidence by saying, "There's no doubt there's a link between violent video games and kids."

KIDS SHOULD NOT BE PLAYING THIS GAME!

Ehem, so I played the section and I did not find it offensive AT ALL. You wanna know why?

Spoiler

Because they fucking shoot you in the head at the end of the sequence!

For fuck's sake, I was killing identical npcs with no lives!

 

[x434343]

Can someone please explain to me why Fox is "wrong" in this segment?

-"Nothing stopping an 8-year-old from becoming a terrorist." is meant figureatively. Like, "Nothing is going to stop an adult from becoming a space pilot." They mean it in a figurative sense, as in, "It is now possible for an eight-year-old to see and participate what a terrorist does using a game."

-The guy ranting on violence. FOX cut him off, meaning they were done, he continued, so they cut him off from speaking.

-Misrepresentation. IGN probably acted as many of you are. "Fox is lying, it isn't fair and balanced, I'm not contributing." I'm not surprised they didn't go to Infinity Ward directly, because IW would have been one way, saying it isn't wrong. Instead, they got two people from lower areas of their respective sides, who were man enough to admit the other side had some merit to its argument.


So tell me, Fox is using figurative speech in news, is cutting off people throwing gasoline on the fire, and is at least trying to get an honest voice from both sides.

What did they do wrong?

they always go after Games, never T.V, or Movies...

its the most Retarded thing

True, but then again, Film is now an accepted art media, so "It's an artistic statement" justifies the means, while anything that is not wholesome on TV is called a "political statement", which is protected by Amendment 1. Video Games aren't art, and they're not political tools.

 

[Pyro Paul]

i always love how they get the most verbal individuals on the 'con side' while they get daft individuals on the 'pro' side.

is this game bad?
(con side) Of course, let me list the reasons.
is this game okay?
(pro side) i ah... well, it really isn't bad. but what he said has some true points...



seriously a simple
"Well this game is trying to bridge the gap to become an 'interactive movie'. this horrible event is there in order to tie the plot together and seat the individual more deeply in the game"

 

[Mastermaniac]

"Honestly, dude, the media is not reliable at all anymore, News isn't even news anymore, it's a blob of opinions being thrown around, not well based facts. Even saying that Fox News is the most trusted news show isn't saying much. "

I wasn't speaking to the credibility of FOX news but rather to the validity of their segment regarding Modern Warfare 2. When I say they are the highest rated/most trusted, that is not a matter of opinion(I personally try to get news from as many places as possible), it is a matter of fact as denoted by their market share and ratings as compared to the other major sources.

Almost every post decrying FOX news fails to address the point of the segment in question: Has Modern Warfare 2 gone too far in its depiction of realistic violence?

IMO that is a valid question as both an adult and a gamer. I personally think the experience created by MW2 is awesome, disturbing, exhilarating and any of a number of other adjectives, but the violence is not for children, and bringing that aspect of the game to light is not a bad thing. Now if people want to debate how the piece was presented, that is one thing, but the general asinine, "FOX is bad because I heard it on the Office, or from John Stewart", attitude of people who clearly don't pay attention to any real news let alone fox is just ridiculous.

You, sir, are a flaming idiot. Worse, not because it's beyond your control - I daresay you weren't born with it - but because you make a conscious effort every single day to be a flaming idiot. Yes, I'm sure Fox News has outstanding ratings. Hardly an accolade considering the fact that incredible morons like you are sadly the overwhelming majority in this country. How dare you decry the likes of Jon Stewart when Fox News employs the hosts of trashy Fox-invented "talk shows" to masquerade as news anchors? I mean, seriously, if anybody truly defends Fox News as a source of actual news, and not just flavor-of-the-month soapbox entertainment, then they don't deserve to keep sucking oxygen.

And as for the legitimacy of the network's "claims," there is no subject to debate. As Fox does with all its segments, they seek only to generate buzz, to have something that may make them look relevant. Believe me, if I had an avenue through which I could vent about how much I hate - absolutely hate - the American films industry, I would do it. Why? Because Hollywood is trash, and everything it produces is absolute filth. Republicans fear videogames, because they have yet to exert a measure of control over them, as they have Hollywood and its ilk.

 

[ucciolord1]

Dude it's FOX AND FRIENDS.
Let me say it again:
FOX AND FRIENDS
I rest my case.

 

[Lordpils]

Anyone (and I do mean anyone) on The Escapist could have done a better job defending MW2 then that guy. I should have been on that show this would have been the discussion.
Steve Duce: You play as a terrorist?
Me: C.I.A. Operative actually undercover, before you can play the game it warns you "There is a very violent scene involving innocent people, you are allowed to skip with no penalties, are you okay with this? Are you sure?" most of the game you spend trying to find and kill the bastard who did this. Regardless of all of that Steyer is full of crap there are a lot of studies which refute the connection between violence and video games. Parents should not be buying their kids this game, retailers won't sell it to kids and many of then will even warn the parents that the game is rated mature which means that it's for kids 17+. Steve Duce you're a idiot.

 

[theApoc]

"Honestly, dude, the media is not reliable at all anymore, News isn't even news anymore, it's a blob of opinions being thrown around, not well based facts. Even saying that Fox News is the most trusted news show isn't saying much. "

I wasn't speaking to the credibility of FOX news but rather to the validity of their segment regarding Modern Warfare 2. When I say they are the highest rated/most trusted, that is not a matter of opinion(I personally try to get news from as many places as possible), it is a matter of fact as denoted by their market share and ratings as compared to the other major sources.

Almost every post decrying FOX news fails to address the point of the segment in question: Has Modern Warfare 2 gone too far in its depiction of realistic violence?

IMO that is a valid question as both an adult and a gamer. I personally think the experience created by MW2 is awesome, disturbing, exhilarating and any of a number of other adjectives, but the violence is not for children, and bringing that aspect of the game to light is not a bad thing. Now if people want to debate how the piece was presented, that is one thing, but the general asinine, "FOX is bad because I heard it on the Office, or from John Stewart", attitude of people who clearly don't pay attention to any real news let alone fox is just ridiculous.

You, sir, are a flaming idiot. Worse, not because it's beyond your control - I daresay you weren't born with it - but because you make a conscious effort every single day to be a flaming idiot. Yes, I'm sure Fox News has outstanding ratings. Hardly an accolade considering the fact that incredible morons like you are sadly the overwhelming majority in this country. How dare you decry the likes of Jon Stewart when Fox News employs the hosts of trashy Fox-invented "talk shows" to masquerade as news anchors? I mean, seriously, if anybody truly defends Fox News as a source of actual news, and not just flavor-of-the-month soapbox entertainment, then they don't deserve to keep sucking oxygen.

And as for the legitimacy of the network's "claims," there is no subject to debate. As Fox does with all its segments, they seek only to generate buzz, to have something that may make them look relevant. Believe me, if I had an avenue through which I could vent about how much I hate - absolutely hate - the American films industry, I would do it. Why? Because Hollywood is trash, and everything it produces is absolute filth. Republicans fear videogames, because they have yet to exert a measure of control over them, as they have Hollywood and its ilk.

I really wish you were capable of understanding the irony of your post. Don't hurt yourself trying to figure out what irony is, trust me it is beyond you.

 

[theApoc]

Can someone please explain to me why Fox is "wrong" in this segment?

-"Nothing stopping an 8-year-old from becoming a terrorist." is meant figureatively. Like, "Nothing is going to stop an adult from becoming a space pilot." They mean it in a figurative sense, as in, "It is now possible for an eight-year-old to see and participate what a terrorist does using a game."

-The guy ranting on violence. FOX cut him off, meaning they were done, he continued, so they cut him off from speaking.

-Misrepresentation. IGN probably acted as many of you are. "Fox is lying, it isn't fair and balanced, I'm not contributing." I'm not surprised they didn't go to Infinity Ward directly, because IW would have been one way, saying it isn't wrong. Instead, they got two people from lower areas of their respective sides, who were man enough to admit the other side had some merit to its argument.


So tell me, Fox is using figurative speech in news, is cutting off people throwing gasoline on the fire, and is at least trying to get an honest voice from both sides.

What did they do wrong?

they always go after Games, never T.V, or Movies...

its the most Retarded thing

True, but then again, Film is now an accepted art media, so "It's an artistic statement" justifies the means, while anything that is not wholesome on TV is called a "political statement", which is protected by Amendment 1. Video Games aren't art, and they're not political tools.

Sorry to say it, but you will find very little logic in the arguments presented on this board. People who have never watched the news, let alone FOX, decrying a non-news segment on their morning show. These same people will reference an imbecile like John Stewart and the pillar of reason when it comes to news analysis, yet fail to understand that he is in fact the worst hypocrite of them all. Hiding behind the "it's only entertainment" line while bashing other programs/entertainers that do the same.

 

[theApoc]

I could have a whole fucking page written saying how wrong the guy from common sence media is. but im not because i dont want to at the moment. I was waiting for this to happen however, and it did, great.

No you couldn't. Even if you could fill a page with your inane ramblings(which I seriously doubt) nothing you could say would change the facts of the segment.

The game IS rated for mature gamers, the violence IS realistically portrayed, you CAN play a section of the game as a terrorist, and this type of thing SHOULD be monitored by parents and at the very least discussed with their children before they are allowed to play.

If you have something to say, say it, but just like the rest of the people here without a clue, please refrain from talking out of your ass.

This article links two pages that discredit his "relation between violence in games and real life violence" argument alone. Did you click the links? Even then, there's how they were wrong in the sense that they left out information. To put that into perspective, they were calling a ham sandwich a dead pig - while it's technically just that, they're giving viewers an inaccurate understanding of the subject. You can see evidence of what they leave out in, well, 50% of this thread. I'd give you your own advice and say you need to "refrain from talking out of your ass." I would, but that is a rude thing to say.

They were pointing out that this game is not for children, period. They over-reached when they said video games cause violence, but their original point remains valid nonetheless.

And to say that violent games/movies/music are not contributing factors to the excessive behavior of already violent children is absurd. Which was the point of their segment in the first place. PARENTS need to know what their children are playing, watching, listening to.

 

[BlackJack47]

Complete idiots. That is all.

 

[theApoc]

I could have a whole fucking page written saying how wrong the guy from common sence media is. but im not because i dont want to at the moment. I was waiting for this to happen however, and it did, great.

No you couldn't. Even if you could fill a page with your inane ramblings(which I seriously doubt) nothing you could say would change the facts of the segment.

The game IS rated for mature gamers, the violence IS realistically portrayed, you CAN play a section of the game as a terrorist, and this type of thing SHOULD be monitored by parents and at the very least discussed with their children before they are allowed to play.

If you have something to say, say it, but just like the rest of the people here without a clue, please refrain from talking out of your ass.

Well if you just ever look at the guy for like 2 seconds you can tell that he is very missinformed. Yes he did say all that. But he also reframed from saying that the mission is optinal, that there are 2, TWO (or more that i may have missed) warnings saying that it may be disturbing, also he reframed for saying why you played the mission, and o course, brought up that violence in videogames results to violence in real life. WHICH ISNT TRUE, and it is with the very select group then they shouldnt be playing violent videogames now should they.

And also this was on FOX which pretty much makes everything wrong in some way.

How many parents do you think play this game with their kids? How many parents got a warning about the content before buying it? The only way that most parents have of knowing about this type of media ahead of time is by seeing pieces like this. At the very least this piece by FOX should have had more parents asking more questions.

It is not their job to defend the game. And while you can skip the section, and you are in fact playing an undercover agent, both elements are completely irrelevant to thier segment. They asked the question "is it going to far", and for the people here to say they don't have the right to ask that question is ridiculous.

 

[Insanum]

Yeah, Thanks for the NSFW warning. ¬¬