Fox & Friends Shoots at Modern Warfare 2

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mechanixis

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Goddamn it, man, that was a terrible way to explain it. Look, let's go through the list:

1) The segment is there to make a point,
2) The segment is optional,
3) The game is rated M and anyone playing it under the age of 18 is the fault of the consumer.
 

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see they lead the topic one way so there is always a bad guy and its always a video games fault. hell i played that level and was blown away. but to think that oh shit video games make us in the fucken terrorists is down right bull shit.
 

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Where did they find this guy? It seemed like they just pulled some random guy with a gaming blog and just threw him into the lion's den. He didn't even try to point out that the mission is optional and that there are NO unbiased studies that correlate video games to teen violence. He just sat there and took it up the ass from those two goons. At least when I was interviewed by CBS news in 2005 after Illinois passed the law banning sales of M rated games to minors, I managed to point out that most of these games don't equate to reality in almost any way. And at least CBS did a fairly balanced story about the situation, unlike Fox News, which I am now very disappointed in. Don't believe me? Here's a link to the video:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=710132n&tag=related;photovide.

Notice how this debate always seems to be waiting to come up again and again. It is the bane of our existence as gamers.

Any one of us could have gone on there and stood up for Modern Warfare 2 and pointed out the bullshit that that idiot from that "family values in media" organization was spouting rather than sit there and take it like some prison *****. John Christensen failed his fellow gamers in the most horrific fashion possible.
 

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They couldn't have picked a worse guy to defend the game *forehead slap*

Oh well: At least MW2 has drawn the great glaring eye of Sau ... uh ... The Media ... away from Dragon Age: Origin with it's intense scenes of elven homo-erotic love and scenes of beheadings
 

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Personally I'd have sent Charlie Brooker in, he's not so known for it, but he's a big fan of games and started out a a games journalist. The only problem being that he might call them all c***s after about 3 seconds of being in their pointless company.

I'd love to go on there and debate that:
'So, you feel that violent media promotes violent actions in children?'
'That's EXACTLY what we're saying, and we have scientific proof!'
'Ok, when do you start campaigning to ban the Bible from all school for its horrifyingly violent material?'

Of course, at that point they'll either cut my mic, or the host will just put fingers in his ears and go 'lalala can't hear you', which is about one step past how they deal with everyone on their station that they don't agree with.

Honestly, the BBC is accused of left wing bias, but damn, it's as neutral as can be, compared with this.

I'll also admit, that like Fox, I've not seen the offending section of the game, therefore I'm entirely qualfied to comment on it :D

I'm on the side of someone earlier however, who stated that surely it being a mature game, it should be allowed to confront mature issue, such as the moral choices of taking the more dangerous option of being careful to not kill civilians.

To me it depends on context, is it played out seriously, or is it a GTA style 'rampage'?
 

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SenseOfTumour said:
I'll also admit, that like Fox, I've not seen the offending section of the game, therefore I'm entirely qualfied to comment on it :D

To me it depends on context, is it played out seriously, or is it a GTA style 'rampage'?
I believe I have what you're after:


Judge for yourself.
 

SenseOfTumour

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Thanks to the above poster!

Ok, it says you can skip the level entirely if you don't feel comfortable playing it, and it seems fairly serious and realistic. Personally to me, it doesn't look 'gratuitous', but a way of showing how inhuman the terrorists are and how little value they place on human life, far better than flashing up a picture of one saying 'this man is bad, shoot him'. I'd say it's pretty harsh viewing, if you choose to watch rather than join in, and I wouldn't, as some realism in games takes away the 'fun' for me, I don't really get enjoyment out of killing innocents with that level of realism, whereas it's fun in GTA and Saint's Row.

To me I feel it's not meant to be a 'fun' part of the game, so much as an interactive narrative, and of course, most people criticising modern games can't get space invaders out of their head and can't imagine that their might be plot and depth going on, they hear about a shooter game with an airport and terrorists and assume it's 'Nintendo Duck Hunt' with beards and a Tie Rack.
 

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SenseOfTumour said:
Ok, it says you can skip the level entirely if you don't feel comfortable playing it, and it seems fairly serious and realistic. Personally to me, it doesn't look 'gratuitous', but a way of showing how inhuman the terrorists are and how little value they place on human life, far better than flashing up a picture of one saying 'this man is bad, shoot him'.

To me I feel it's not mean't to be a 'fun' part of the game, so much as an interactive narrative, and of course, most people criticising modern games can't get space invaders out of their head and can't imagine that their might be plot and depth going on, they hear about a shooter game with an airport and terrorists and assume it's 'Nintendo Duck Hunt' with beards and a Tie Rack.
I do have to wonder if anyone mentioned to Fox News that they appear to be Russian terrorists in what appears to be a Russian airport rather than the typical Islamic extremists that they hear about.
 

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I very much doubt it :D

That's kinda why I mentioned beards, I don't think FOX believes there's terrorists that aren't dusky with beards, and a Koran in their backpack.
 

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There are spoilers in this response. Also, a massive rant.

My lecturer has brought this up, too, in much the same light as Fox News - yet less informed as she believed the player controlled a suicide bomber.

Not that that genuinely changes the outcome of that level, but I still marvel at how readily people are willing to criticise a game they don't understand.

My big gripe with Fox is, has always been, and continues to be that they are not fair and balanced. They openly lie to you, pretending that they are. They are not - by any stretch of the imagination - representatives of journalism. Yet they continue to run articles like this that demeen and humiliate people for the wrong reasons.

I don't think I even need to mention the absolute stupidity of the gaming representative. This is depressingly typical of Fox to get a guest on that is utterly useless in a debate they want to win.

Yes, this content is mature. Yes, it is disturbing. Yes, it is genuinely shocking that Infinity Ward convinced Activision to put it in the final build. But it's wonderful that a maturing medium, that has not realised it's full potential yet, has made something this powerful.

Modern Warfare 2 pushes these boundaries - and in time we might see games growing in these newly claimed areas, but Fox don't give a damn about this.

This is an "Orange Clock" moment in gaming, people!
 

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It's an MA17+ game, unless the idiot parent buys it for their underage child I don't foresee it hurting fragile little minds.

Alcohol, porn, cigs, firearms are also age restricted items, but if a parent buys their 10 year old an AK-47 I'm suppose to scowl at Kalashnikov for making the weapon and not the idiot parent?

How about rather than blaming objects, we start blaming parents and their complete lack of parenting.
 

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Fox really needs to shut the f*ck up. Seriously. "Nothing stopping a 8 year old becoming a terrorist and shooting people" I played that part of the video again to see if I heard right. It's so immensely absurd.

Oooh, I killed an innocent pile of pixels, I guess I'm a demented maniac now. Let's go shoot some children.

This mission is meant to give you motivation to capture the guy who's doing this. It shows you what terrorists really do, rather than "HERE BE TERRORISTS THEY R BAD."

What a bunch of morons. I like how they didn't even bother to mention that you aren't forced to play this mission.
 

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Tears of Blood said:
theApoc said:
... Really?

I mean...

Did you really just say that?

Are you a troll?

Oh that's good. You're such a kidder. Fox News? Slightly biased? Hahah... Wow. <_<
Yup, I am a troll. If by troll you mean a poster who actually knows what the hell they are talking about. Please go back to your mom's basement, I think the laundry is ready to be folded.
 

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ShotgunSmoke said:
Fox really needs to shut the f*ck up. Seriously. "Nothing stopping a 8 year old becoming a terrorist and shooting people" I played that part of the video again to see if I heard right. It's so immensely absurd.

Oooh, I killed an innocent pile of pixels, I guess I'm a demented maniac now. Let's go shoot some children.

This mission is meant to give you motivation to capture the guy who's doing this. It shows you what terrorists really do, rather than "HERE BE TERRORISTS THEY R BAD."

What a bunch of morons. I like how they didn't even bother to mention that you aren't forced to play this mission.
So let me get this straight. They are morons for pointing out a bunch of facts about a game that is rated to be played by 17+ year olds', and you are a genius because you would let an 8 year old kid simulate the massacre of innocent people in an airport?

Really? Did you really just make that argument?

And yes I have the game, and yes I think it is awesome, but yes I also think that parents should pay attention to their children playing a game that depicts violence in such a realistic way.
 

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IAmWright777 said:
theApoc said:
"Fair and balanced debate"? By whose standards--Dick Cheney?"

Spoken like a true moron.
Well Apoc, I won't say that I fully disagree with several of your past comments, and yes his crack at Dick Cheney may have been in poor taste. However, you shouldn't start calling people morons. I'm just saying.

OT: Well, I can't say that there is ANY form of news that I have ever watched that hasn't had even a little bias. They were stating though that it isn't appropriate for children, and that parents should pay attention to ratings (which is true, and I am sure many can agree with the exception of children that want to play said game).
That being said, yes not everyone is the same, and I know that certain people mature faster than others.

P.S. I do think that there should have been better representation to protect the gaming aspect, because the point of the mission wasn't really gotten accross as well as it could have been.
moron: a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment.

Based on the comments from people who obviously have never actually watched a news program, let alone FOX, I would say that my categorization is spot on. Starting with the guy from The Escapist who started the whole thing with his half assed article.
 

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theApoc said:
IAmWright777 said:
theApoc said:
"Fair and balanced debate"? By whose standards--Dick Cheney?"

Spoken like a true moron.
Well Apoc, I won't say that I fully disagree with several of your past comments, and yes his crack at Dick Cheney may have been in poor taste. However, you shouldn't start calling people morons. I'm just saying.

OT: Well, I can't say that there is ANY form of news that I have ever watched that hasn't had even a little bias. They were stating though that it isn't appropriate for children, and that parents should pay attention to ratings (which is true, and I am sure many can agree with the exception of children that want to play said game).
That being said, yes not everyone is the same, and I know that certain people mature faster than others.

P.S. I do think that there should have been better representation to protect the gaming aspect, because the point of the mission wasn't really gotten accross as well as it could have been.
moron: a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment.

Based on the comments from people who obviously have never actually watched a news program, let alone FOX, I would say that my categorization is spot on. Starting with the guy from The Escapist who started the whole thing with his half assed article.
Well, I don't have anything against any news stations.
Also, yes.... many people may post their opinions on here, and many of said opinions may be based on little or no fact. Still, sometimes it's best to do like everybody else and just smash your face into your desk a few times. Calling somebody a moron (even if they are being one) is rarely the answer though, especially since all it does is start a massive argument (which I don't consider this much of an argument because I am not saying you are wrong, just that you shouldn't take a personal stab at somebody).
 

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theApoc said:
ShotgunSmoke said:
Fox really needs to shut the f*ck up. Seriously. "Nothing stopping a 8 year old becoming a terrorist and shooting people" I played that part of the video again to see if I heard right. It's so immensely absurd.

Oooh, I killed an innocent pile of pixels, I guess I'm a demented maniac now. Let's go shoot some children.

This mission is meant to give you motivation to capture the guy who's doing this. It shows you what terrorists really do, rather than "HERE BE TERRORISTS THEY R BAD."

What a bunch of morons. I like how they didn't even bother to mention that you aren't forced to play this mission.
So let me get this straight. They are morons for pointing out a bunch of facts about a game that is rated to be played by 17+ year olds', and you are a genius because you would let an 8 year old kid simulate the massacre of innocent people in an airport?

Really? Did you really just make that argument?

And yes I have the game, and yes I think it is awesome, but yes I also think that parents should pay attention to their children playing a game that depicts violence in such a realistic way.
They're morons for making such a fuss about one single level. Things like these have been done in movies a billion times, nobody says a word. When an act of terrorism is depicted in a videogame, the media freaks out.

and you are a genius because you would let an 8 year old kid simulate the massacre of innocent people in an airport?
I didn't say that. Also, I highly doubt that someone will "become a terrorist and shoot people" after killing some pixels in a game.