Fox News' Take on The English Riots and the English in General.

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Wicky_42

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There are several socio-political angles one could take to try and explain the behaviour in this last week, but none of them work as excuses, and none of them have been used by the rioters themselves, who are just out for free shit. And, of course, a direct contradiction to Fox's angle of welfare==insurrection are places like Sweden, with a Socialist government and tonnes of welfare, and like the highest satisfaction of life in the world.
 
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....that's it? That's all Fox could come up with?

Yeah, it has their typical "ZOMG anything even remotely leftist/nice is bad or encourages bad! our no research proves it!" stamp of approval on it, but still, I was expecting something more offensive from the world's leading news trolls.

I mean, I was at least expecting them to claim that it was organized by the left wing of europe, and that the cops were too socialist to do their jobs, or something! Oh and that it was all due to those pesky videogames!

I am dissapoint, Fox. I really am. You're losing your touch.
 
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I'm pretty sure it was all sparked by the fuzz shooting a dealer, and then there was a protest or something and it snowballed, badly.
 

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triggrhappy94 said:
OmniscientOstrich said:
triggrhappy94 said:
Please dont just say that the people at Fox News are crazy, its a discussion killer.
If Fox ever report on a story in the manner of a legitimate news network and not a platform for right-wing propaganda, then perhaps we'll be willing to treat them with some modicum of authenticity. Until that day comes, Fox News is kind of like the recalcitrant 5 year old banging his head against the wall for our attention. It's not going to elicit anything more than a disparaging sigh and they're only serving hurt themselves in the process.
Yeah I get that Fox doesnt even try. I said that so the second post wouldnt say "Fox is crazy" then every post after it would quote it and just say "that".

But the thing is there's actually many people in America that listen to that recalcitrant 5 year old, and will believe anything he says.
And those people who do, are beyond hope. And since I live in the UK where our facsist, partisan tripe (Daily Mail) is slightly more subtle in it's approach and even then, thankfully it's not taken very seriously, I'm not concerned with whatever shite Fox churns out as nobody out hear will likely even listen to it.
 

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Its an interesting thing that they are blaming benefits and the fact that there are families who havnt worked for 15 years, but we need to put things in context by going back to the eighties.

The iron lady(maggie Thatcher) wanted to destroy the unions. they had been a pain in the arse for many prime ministers before her, and lets face it, their lefty ideals didnt gel with her idea of "rolling back the state" so over the 3 terms she was in power, the unions were destroyed as Britains heavy industries were dismantled and sold off/privatised. This was felt particularly keenly in the North/midlands/Wales as this is where shipbuiding, coal mining, textiles, car manufacture etc were based, although London and the south had their fair share of heavy and semi skilled industry. When all these people lost their jobs, they went on benefits.
Whole communities were rendered unemployed, and as the primary industries were lost, service industries in these areas failed as well. London, I am fully aware is very wealthy and there are well paying service jobs in restaurants, hotels etc. except they are probably going to hire a white guy over a black kid with a thick jamaican accent and "lets face it, is planning on knicking the fine silver"(dont forget, there was no segregation, but racist attitudes like this were common in the eighties, and unfortunatly still now)
And a generation of children watched their hard working parents get fired for no reason other than it was "uneconomical" with no offers of retraining or assistace moving to other areas (fun fact it actually cost more to pay ex miners dole money AND import coal from Poland ) and South Africa. The reason for the pit closures was that they were uneconomical)

So now those kids have seen that hard work wont get you anywhere, and when you try to get work, the police hassle you, people think your gangster scum because your from Hackney, or Tottenham, or Brixton, your education is shit because your school is drastically over subscribed with teachers who can barely control their classesand the only jobs available are low wage and dead end, its no suprises that another generation (3rd now)is entering this stat of welfare dependency

Just to clarify, a single person claiming benefits gets rent and council tax payed for and £50(~$100) a week. take away food, electricity, transport and water bills, that dont leave much. Having kids will increase your benefits, but a single mum of 2 will be up to £65-70pw

To say that Benefit scroungers are the soul reason for the riots is rubbish. There are so many reasons ranging from institutional racism of the police (a black man is 6X more likely to get stopped and searched than a white man in London)the shooting of Mark Duggan (this being THE spark), the widening gap between rich and poor, the sharp cuts in youth services in London, the fact its school holidays, envy of the haves by have nots, and lets face it, good old fashioned opportunatism at realising you could nick a few bikes and a flatscreen whilst the police where overwhelmed by the numbers of pissed off kids throwing bricks. (nb i do not support the looters or arsonists, just trying to understand WHY this happened. Much love to the people who were cleaning up and protecting shops(bloody immigrants, coming over here and defending our communities))

Wow that was an essay and half, if only id put this effort into my uni work :p
 

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harmonic said:
Just because it's Fox News doesn't mean that there aren't some truths behind political and/or ideological opposition to a welfare-based society.

It's like most internet forum posters are pro the things Fox News is against, because Fox News is against it, and for no other reason.
This happens for a reason. They are so reliably pro-corporate/wealthy, and corporations/the wealthy are so reliably anti-populist, that it makes nothing but good sense for the vast majority of people to oppose anything Fox News says without even bothering to examine more closely. You might almost call it an efficient, healthy bias. As a "news organization", they've repeatedly demonstrated disregard/disdain for critical thinking and honest analysis. They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt, and suggesting otherwise is ridiculous.

The fact of the matter is, the more government shelters you from the risks (and rewards) of living a self-determined, independent life that expects highly of you, and wraps a baby blanket around you, the weaker, dumber, and less moral you become. Necessity is the mother of invention, and if there is no impetus for being a productive member of society, the results will be obvious. Life isn't fair, and it is made even more unfair by forcing those who have decided to live a fulfilling, independent life to shelter others from life's inherent unfairness.
There is scientific evidence to support this claim, but I'm curious to see what you have to say about a few other demonstrably true facts - 1) the population and, subsequently, the total labor pool is growing, and 2) technology, rather than shrinking our collective workload and allowing for greater human leisure, has simply allowed fewer people to perform the same or more work. Short of completely inventing meaningless work for billions of people, how would you propose we solve the crisis of lethargy/apathy in the absence of opportunity?
 

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I feel this is relevant, and I've been wanting an excuse to share it all day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YItK1izQIwo
Yeah, I basically think his prediction was right: The riots have come about as a result of the Conservative's cuts, and people are striking back. This is an act of frustration at not being heard.
That said, I absolutely do NOT agree with the rioters and looters, they're indiscriminately robbing, vandalising and assaulting pretty much anything they can, whereas they should be being aimed specifically at government property. THAT would send a much stronger message.
 

Hero in a half shell

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Having entire generations of families living off our welfare by 'gaming' the system is a big problem in Britain. But it has absolutely nothing to do with these riots. The welfare checks have not been cut at all, those people still have food in the shelves of their free houses, petrol in their free car and their wide screen TV's.

The people who are rioting are mostly just doing it as an excuse to get free loot, and clowning about, there is no higher meaning other than pricks are being pricks.

However, if there are people rioting for a reason, then it would be because they do not like living off the welfare state, and want jobs, and stability, their own independence which is completely absent from many poverty stricken areas. It's the rising cost of living juxtaposed with the inability to better their situation and earn a living that angers so many people, the welfare allowances don't stretch as far as they used to, but the people collecting them are stuck with no other option but to continue signing on the dole, It's not that they aren't getting enough.

That said, most of the rioters have nothing to do with those circumstances, and are just out looting because it's sunny, and you have to make the most of the British weather!
 

winter2

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Gotta love Fox News.. they are so accurate and balanced!! And they always speak the truth!

*sarcasm alert for the sarcasm impaired*
 

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triggrhappy94 said:
So, I was typing an essay on my laptop, sitting in the living room, when my dad turned on Fox News then left to get the mail. The nice people over at Fox News were discussing the English riots. I started to listen to their discussion on the subject, because I havent been following it at all and I descided to share what I could gather from what they were saying.
It seemed like they were saying that the riots were caused by wellfare. They were saying that there's a big population in England of two parent families (and other kinds of families too) who haven't worked a day in 15 years, because they were able to live of wellfare. And the kids growing up on wellfare developed an entitled attitude, that they were entitled to stuff. Now that the wellfare is drying up (I have no idea what your guy's wellfare status is, just saying) those same kids are taking to the streets to take what they feel entitled to.
Is there any truth to that at all?
Please dont just say that the people at Fox News are crazy, its a discussion killer.
And please dont shoot the messanger, Im only sharing what I heard.
Dude, Fox News is claiming that a national crisis is happening because of a specific government program. If I was told that sentence, my first guess would have been the national institution of gay marriage. My second guess would be welfare programs. Fox is practically the patron saint of seeing correlation and assuming causation. If ice cream sales are on the rise at the same time as shark attacks, then it's not because both rise during the summer: it's clearly because ice cream causes shark attacks.
 

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triggrhappy94 said:
Blablahb said:
triggrhappy94 said:
So, I was sitting in the living room, when my dad turned on Fox News then left to get the mail.
*phones child protection services*
Well he normally has MSNBC on, but it has the bad habit of repeating its every three hours
Lawerance, Maddow, Ed, repeat.
You know they all do that, right? I'd say CNN is the worst--Anderson Cooper gets back-to-back showings.
 

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triggrhappy94 said:
So, I was typing an essay on my laptop, sitting in the living room, when my dad turned on Fox News then left to get the mail. The nice people over at Fox News were discussing the English riots. I started to listen to their discussion on the subject, because I havent been following it at all and I descided to share what I could gather from what they were saying.
It seemed like they were saying that the riots were caused by wellfare. They were saying that there's a big population in England of two parent families (and other kinds of families too) who haven't worked a day in 15 years, because they were able to live of wellfare. And the kids growing up on wellfare developed an entitled attitude, that they were entitled to stuff. Now that the wellfare is drying up (I have no idea what your guy's wellfare status is, just saying) those same kids are taking to the streets to take what they feel entitled to.
Is there any truth to that at all?
Please dont just say that the people at Fox News are crazy, its a discussion killer.
And please dont shoot the messanger, Im only sharing what I heard.
Bulls, yeah there is an insignificant percent of frauds who are abusing the welfare system and scam the government, but it's in no way a wide phenomenon! Definitely not the reason behind the riots! It seems FOX is again pushing its own political views by distorting information while "reporting" serious news. And btw the past two years the government has considerably tighten the welfare situation, so I'm not sure how this could fly as an explanation for the current riots; amd I dont see how a goverment lending a hand to help its people who are in need and desolation, and cant take care for themsleves IS a reason for riots?!

Facts are there is no single reason for the current situation, and there are as many sides to this story as there are rioters on the streets of cities. Anything otherwise pushed by the medias is in disservice to those people and the ones who are affected!
 

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henritje said:
another fine example of Fox not doing the research!
it boggles my mind that nobody sued them for straight up lying!
I heard they have some damn good lawyers. May have something to do with it.
 

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...that is entire bullshit. How the fuck do they get away with spreading such nonsense?
 

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Avaholic03 said:
It doesn't take a welfare system for douchebags to feel entitled.
Indeed. I blame the parents ...

Abandon4093 said:
We have our brainless yobs who don't understand the difference between right and wrong and have been brought up to think that they can do whatever they want because their parents were also incompetent shits.
... like that.

They just jumped on a chance to steal some nice clothes and wreck shit up. Because that's a good night for them.
With this, I also agree.

Galletea said:
I think that the government really needs to look at why these people feel alienated enough from the 'big society' they kept harping on about, to burn down people's homes.
Homes and, if they'd had their way, the frickin' hospital! To quote Funboy, "You are seriously f____d up. You need professional help. *BANG*"

Angry_squirrel said:
I absolutely do NOT agree with the rioters and looters, they're indiscriminately robbing, vandalising and assaulting pretty much anything they can, whereas they should be being aimed specifically at government property. THAT would send a much stronger message.
I agree that if they want to make a political statement with their destructiveness they should be using much more targetted destructiveness and not just smashing whatever they can reach and stealing stuff, but if we're going to get into targets I'd choose them differently. The NHS is "government property" but not something they should target. Rootkit Man and whoever appointed him to be in charge of our privacy, intellectual property and copyright laws would make better targets, as would Corrupt Big Business, Incorporated, under their various trading names including, of course, News Corporation.

If they want my support, though, they need to be very specific indeed and just lynch Tony The Bliar. Short rope, please. Don't want to make it quick.
 

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Ugh, yet another "Faux Nooes" thread.
Maybe I should start a MSLSD thread

Edit: somewhat back on topic:
triggrhappy94 said:
It seemed like some of the of the commentators they where interviewing were saying that the riots were caused by wellfare. Some of or one of the commentators they where interviewing were saying that there's a big population in England of two parent families (and other kinds of families too) who haven't worked a day in 15 years...
fix'd