Fuck the Critics (Sucker Punch Rant)

[Vibhor]

If you think the movie sucks then no, you just don't understand it.

Or, you know, their opinion is different.

*faceplam*

Some people...

Have you seen "The room"?
If not then you would not understand what I said.

You fail to grasp subjectivity.

I fail to grasp anything because I just ate popcorn.
On topic:
Just watched the video, why the hell do I keep missing on movies that I would like.
I need more touch to the world as any new movie bob reviews, I just don't know about it.

 

[Rednog]

These reviewers, from what I hear (in their review) are idiots, bad at their job, and bigots.
"I missed that, I was taking a piss" Why am I even listening to your review of a movie you did not even completly see? One thing people need to consider, both reviewers and those recieving them, is if you both are so different in view, then the review is pointless. These guys sound like they would prefer some stupid movie where a bunch of rappers pretend they actually are tough thugs.

Wow...your opinion on the Spill Crew is way different than it actually is. Bob is much less professional than they are.

Im not familiar with them, but its called a review, so I expect you to watch the whole movie.

which they did.

Did you listen to it? He said he was pissing and missed important stuff that set up the whole movie.

That's part of having a collaborative effort, if you miss the beginning, you can have someone else keep you posted on what they had missed.

Or he could back off and omit from reviewing, or re-see it all the way through. Im not going to bother with a review from someone who is bad at his job like that.

The man you are talking about is named Korey. He runs the site, edits the reviews and podcasts, animates the video reviews, as well as coordinates events for the site. Don't bother telling me that he doesn't do his job well, when you don't even know half of the behind the scenes details.

So I should not criticize something I dont fully know about? Sounds familiar...

But you're basing his job on one review, when he's been a critic for over 10 years. That's like judging something based on a single-framed imaged.

I was bashing the one review. The review was done poorly I think. I did not say every review he does is poor, cause I have not seen (heard) them. I WAS going off that one review, which was very harsh and ignorant too, which stikes a sore spot.

I'm sorry but someone should go pay money to see a movie again because they missed maybe 2-3 minutes of a film because he or she had to go to the bathroom? Say he took a generous time of 3 minutes, he still saw 97% of the movie (hour and a half run time), it isn't like he left for 15 minutes. And to say that his opinion/review is complete negated by this is a bit silly, do you think that this is the first reviewer ever to have to go to the bathroom during a movie? I highly doubt that seeing those 2-3 minutes would honestly change his or anyone's opinion on a movie. Hell if a movie needs you to see an exact short sequence at any point of a movie in order to enjoy a movie, and if you miss it you will somehow magically hate it then that probably just shows that there is something wrong with the movie. Seriously go take a movie you absolutely love to death and take a friend you know will love it too. Have them sit down and watch it, then at some point skip ahead say 5 minutes,I seriously doubt the 5 minutes they lost will make them hate the movie.
Also just want to point out that the use of bigotry and ignorance is pretty harsh to say about anyone you really don't know about because of their (limited) beliefs that you have heard, so you might want to take a step back and realize the irony in that.

 

[Someone Depressing]

A Critic's job is to tell someone if something is good or not.
They judge, they don't toungebath what they like.

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

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I am watching the review. I heard audience bashing only in the first thirty seconds. They're talking about the movie alright.

And it sounds like total garbage.

Sure, insulting the audience for their tastes is NOT good, but this is nothing compared to what Bob pulled before.

 

[Fudd]

When a movie has a message it is indeed possible for the audience to miss the message completely, case in point, the people who think Sucker Punch was actually about girls in burlesque gear providing fanservice. Yes, the movie has that dimension, but here's a hint. That's the level the orderly, or the uncle, or the chef, or the mayor would view the film on.

 

[GotMalkAvian]

I have every intention of seeing Sucker Punch at some point this weekend, reviews be damned. I love Zack Snyder's work and the trailers looked amazing. However, I am also going into this movie with an understanding of what it is: Pure unmitigated fanservice. I'm not expecting a deep plot or compelling characters, and I think that's where a lot of critics fail.

For some reason, a lot of critics end up with this annoying attitude that movies can't just be entertainment. In order to warrant a good review, a movie has to be a masterpiece of the form (being foreign, a period piece, or a biopic just about automatically doubles a film's credibility, for some reason) or a kids' movie... I don't get it. Critics can't understand that some movies are supposed to be mindless and gratuitous, and that their value derives entirely from those

Sometimes it seems that every critic is a bitter film student who couldn't hack it as a director...

tl;dr version: Critics take themselves way too seriously and people should just see movies that they want to see.

 

[Jamous]

For the record, no, I have not yet seen Sucker Punch. But I intend to on my own free will. I don't need bigoted critics or manipulative studios telling me what I want to do with my money.

Are you sure about that!? Are you truly free? TRULY!?! That is what you believe; you have sacrificed your freedom for happiness and security! Sorry, I've been studying Marcuse in my Philosophy A Level Class.
Anyway, I tend to withhold my judgement until I see it, although I am subtly influenced by everyone.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Welcome to the world of art history and art canon. How we judge art is based on a collective history of subjectively judging art and later using that as a means to judge more art. There is no such thing as "good" or "bad" and any notions we have to try and judge it are entirely socially constructed and without solid merit. Its all a big crapshot. Of course if everyone knew that and disregard all notion of art it'd mean critics were out of a job (and museums would cease to exist and thing would get messy). Believe it or not professional critics make a living off convincing you that there opinions are valid when in fact nobody's opinion is valid. If you don't like there opinion, then toss it aside and do as you like. Ignore the critics you don't like enough and the ground upon which their judgment stands will crumble.

On that note, I only listen to critics if I know their opinion is similar to mine on the issues surrounding a subject. I don't know many movie critics and as such do not know which ones think similarly to me so I don't care much for any of them on any movie.

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

How many people here would have heard of Spill? Now anyone whose read this thread will think about going there and checking out other reviews.

I would disagree.

I've known of Spill way before this very thread, but, of course, that doesn't prove anything.

However, I can say they're fairly popular and that accusing them of attention-whoring just because they gave a negative review to a movie that some people happen to like is not fair.

Maybe they just didn't like it? Were they flamebaiting, this would've been a video review already - far more people watch that.

 

[tjmac510]

As a film critic it's always a joy to hear that topic line lol

I personally thought the movie was good but it certainly had it's issues.

I think it's wrong to attack the critics as a whole though because despite the consensus being negative, there were critics who did like this movie. Everyone's opinion is going to be different and that's just part of who we are as humans. We all have varying opinions.

 

[Snake Plissken]

There are about a billion different critics. Find a couple that you like or have similar tastes as you and perhaps take heed of their opinion. Don't pay attention to the other ones. I generally stick to Moviebob for mainstream cinema and the guys at bloodydisgusting.com for horror films.

I don't necessarily always agree with them, though. I've never been able to bring myself to give a shit about Scott Pilgrim (I thought it was awful) and I enjoyed The Expendables (I didn't think it was a great film, but it definitely warranted my price of admission more than Scott Pilgrim). As for bloodydisgusting.com (and every other critic on the planet, now that I think about it), I found Let the Right One in to be the most boring, contrived piece of shit in the last ten years or so. I honestly would watched some of the awful Michael Bay Platinum Dunes remakes before I watch Let the Right One in again.

The point is, not every critic speaks for every person. The ones you found are obviously dickholes. Quit paying attention to them. They've already got their audience sorted out, and it sure as hell ain't you.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

it pisses me off that you adopt the opinion of the first reviewer's video you see. watch the movie first, then form your opinion. btw that movie was shit.

I am not just basing my opinion off of this one review. I've followed the Spill reviews for over two years, and I generally agree with their opinions. But this review just seems out of place compared to their others.
I don't think I've seen them outright attack the audience over their reaction to a movie, so it was very jarring, hence this thread.

 

[Keldon888]

The movie was mediocre, just like Watchmen was bad and 300 were mediocre, there are a bunch of flaws in all of them.

But like those movies, it was lots of fun. People need to learn accept that movies can have loads of bad in them but still be fun.

That said, some critics are dumb as can be for hating on the premise of a movie rather than stuff like poor plots or bad acting or bad direction.

 

[yoshiru]

Meh, nothing that director does is really /that good/. He does movies which snag some section of pop culture which people do not find over-done yet and turns it into an over-directed mess of too much depth blur. Every time I see a trailer for his stuff, I REALLY want to like it, but it's always a mess with no story and horrible character development. He would do much better as the Director of Photography for Peter Jackson than a solo director... Actually, Peter Jackson would do better as the D.o.P. for somebody who understands what character development is.

 

[Cowabungaa]

I think MovieBob nailed it on the head when he said that this is the kind of movie you either love or loathe. After seeing it, and loving it, I already suspected that the majority of the mainstream film critics were going to loathe this film.

But from what I've read, some hateful reviews are simply wrong in certain areas, opinion or not. The characters aren't at risk because it's all dreams? Que? Have they even seen the movie?!

The movie can only be described with one word, and that's putting it lightly - [HEADING=1]NONSENSE.[/HEADING] Didn't listen to the review yet, but from what you said, I doubt the rant is unwarranted.

Eh, I beg to differ. Given, it is, as MovieBob puts it, utterly deranged. But I don't see that as a bad thing.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

EDIT. I suppose I should Clarify: I am not against their stance on the film, but rather their treatment and vitrol for the audience.

The audio review in the link below is NSFW
http://my.spill.com/profiles/blogs/sucker-punch-audio-review

So anyways, in lieu of Moviebob's great reaction to Sucker Punch, I went searching around for alternative reviews. And wow, what a shitstorm of hate I found. I'm not against people disliking films, but it does get personal when they start insulting people.

In this case, the reviewers at Spill.com, a group I generally like, took pretty much half their review to tear the shit out of an outdated view of a 90's era 13 year old nerd. And that just pisses me off.

Give us YOUR opinion on the film critics, but don't think that your job entitles you to label the audience as poor saps who blindly follow your word or that of the film industry. More people than you think might watch movies because, god forbid, they might actually want to see them on their own volition.

It is throwaway insults and spite that critics have for the audience that shows just how big the divide is nowadays between reviewers and watchers. Anything "new" in Hollywood is deemed garbage by the old guard critics who haven't been impressed with anything for the past forty years unless it panders to them. Irony much?


For the record, no, I have not yet seen Sucker Punch. But I intend to on my own free will. I don't need bigoted critics or manipulative studios telling me what I want to do with my money.

I wouldn't really trust Spill. They can be quite unprofessional. I personally go to Brad Jones, Noah Antwiler, and Roger Ebert, myself. The first two aren't professionals either, but they are gamers who are part of the culture Spill makes fun of. Movie critics are fine. It is when they start talking about things they know fuck all about that you have to tune them out. This extends to MovieBob.

 

[poiuppx]

So, from what I get in this thread, Critics suck, and this movie is similar in visual style and tone to Watchman and 300, but with more hot women and giant robot samurai dudes.

...excuse me, I need to go watch Sucker Punch fifty times in a row.

 

[WhiteFangofWhoa]

Moviebob did admit that like The Social Network or V for Vendetta this one will mainly appeal to the younger crowd; older (and thus more acclaimed) critics will see a bunch of teen girls dancing around in schoolgirl outfits and think it to be exploitative trash no matter the actual quality. Just a fact of life, and one that he spent enough time openly lamenting during the Oscar nominations. Sucker Punch will never be nominated for anything. Period.

OT, my local paper gave it two our of four and claimed all the girls except for the main one weren't developed at all. I hadn't heard much about it until Moviebob's review, but now am semi-interested.

 

[Del-Toro]

Sometimes critics will disagree with you. Their job is to give a well explained opinion on something, as well as talk about the actual craftsmanship of any given piece of entertainment. Not to say that their opinions are necessarily better than anyone else's, but if you're lacking in easily accessable friends and acquaintances who can give you a decent yay or nay, yet still want to get a few opinions on a game, movie, book, or television/anime series before commiting time or money to it then maybe try a few, instead of looking at one and raging like a little *****. In fact, don't rage in such a way over critics ever. You may have different tastes, this doesn't make you, or them, somehow lesser, and don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise. Those who do are really just saying "in lieu of any real thing that might elevate me above the common rabble, like exceptional achievements in my field(be that business, academia, philanthropy or whatever), athletic prowess or intellect, I like to think that my tastes in entertainment make me better than you as a human being".