Full body scans and pat downs: Do they cross the line?

[KSarty]

The pat down is only if you refuse the scanner, you don't get both.

They are private airlines, they don't have to let you fly. They are well within their rights to impose these rules, just as you are well within your rights to not use their services.

They don;'t just refuse you service, if you'd read the entire thread you'd have seen it mentioned a few times that if you do refuse you can be fined, and taken into custody under suspicion, it's not as simple as saying "no thanks" and not flying.

What I meant by refusing to use their service is to not even go to the airport, so yeah it is as simple as saying "no thanks" and not flying. It will only cause trouble if you are IN the security line when you decide you don't agree to their terms, which is understandable if you ask me.

 

[Seitou]

The pat down is only if you refuse the scanner, you don't get both.

They are private airlines, they don't have to let you fly. They are well within their rights to impose these rules, just as you are well within your rights to not use their services.

They don;'t just refuse you service, if you'd read the entire thread you'd have seen it mentioned a few times that if you do refuse you can be fined, and taken into custody under suspicion, it's not as simple as saying "no thanks" and not flying.

What I meant by refusing to use their service is to not even go to the airport, so yeah it is as simple as saying "no thanks" and not flying. It will only cause trouble if you are IN the security line when you decide you don't agree to their terms.

Ah I see what you mean, but you shouldn't be forced to miss the fastest form of travel in the world just because you have a sense of personal modesty.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

You can just shut up, you're either an idiot or a troll and either way your opinion is worthless. I'm confident in my body, the fact that I don't want a stranger cupping my balls "just in case" has nothing to do with insecurity and everything to do with modesty. No-one but my friends, my family and my partner can touch my intimately and no-one but my partner can touch my junk. Calling anyone with a sense of personal modesty insecure is ignorant, and you should keep that in mind.

...wow that got a little personal, sorry but that pisses me off, modesty is not a fucking crime against nature and I'm sick of people calling people who actually care about that sort of thing insecure or out of the ordinary.

hahaha, yeah my opinion is the worthless one. How about the fact that you're being completely illogical? Yes it fucking is insecurity. The person patting you down doesn't give a damn about your cock, they lightly pat you down to see if you have anything hidden in your clothes. It's not like they take off all your clothes and check under your scrotum for a concealed handgun. Get over yourself. There's nothing sacred about your body, and if you really give a damn about this you do have some serious insecurity issues.

You can call me a troll all you want, i'll keep laughing at people like you until I die.

 

[spartan231490]

No, it doesnt go to far. It's not mandatory, it's not like they come to your house and pat you down. If you want to take advantage of a private company's services, you must tolerate thier requirements.

 

[paddyshay]

The pat down is only if you refuse the scanner, you don't get both.

They are private airlines, they don't have to let you fly. They are well within their rights to impose these rules, just as you are well within your rights to not use their services.

They don;'t just refuse you service, if you'd read the entire thread you'd have seen it mentioned a few times that if you do refuse you can be fined, and taken into custody under suspicion, it's not as simple as saying "no thanks" and not flying.

What I meant by refusing to use their service is to not even go to the airport, so yeah it is as simple as saying "no thanks" and not flying. It will only cause trouble if you are IN the security line when you decide you don't agree to their terms, which is understandable if you ask me.

Not to be argumentative, but not everybody can just say "no". Some people have families overseas, jobs that require you to travel using airlines, and besides all that you shouldn't really have to make a choice between complete submission to their authority or not flying. There should be a middle ground. Once again, sorry if that sounded standoffish.

 

[KSarty]

The pat down is only if you refuse the scanner, you don't get both.

They are private airlines, they don't have to let you fly. They are well within their rights to impose these rules, just as you are well within your rights to not use their services.

They don;'t just refuse you service, if you'd read the entire thread you'd have seen it mentioned a few times that if you do refuse you can be fined, and taken into custody under suspicion, it's not as simple as saying "no thanks" and not flying.

What I meant by refusing to use their service is to not even go to the airport, so yeah it is as simple as saying "no thanks" and not flying. It will only cause trouble if you are IN the security line when you decide you don't agree to their terms, which is understandable if you ask me.

Not to be argumentative, but not everybody can just say "no". Some people have families overseas, jobs that require you to travel using airlines, and besides all that you shouldn't really have to make a choice between complete submission to their authority or not flying. There should be a middle ground. Once again, sorry if that sounded standoffish.

No offense taken, but to be honest that has always been the situation with any form of service. You can either agree to their terms, or you can choose to not utilize the service.

I agree with most people here that the measures being taken are pretty extreme but they will only take the hint if it actually effects their business, so maybe people should refuse to use their services for a while. Your example of a job that requires a lot of travel is certainly a difficult situation though.

 

[FlyAwayAutumn]

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Anyway, on topic. I don't really care, I always thought that some terrorists might be smart enough to hide stuff in those areas and no I'm not paranoid about terrorists it just occured to me that if you could get fired for searching those areas then you won't and therefore a terrorist would be smart in hiding a bomb there.

 

[Nouw]

I'd make them fuck off and punch them in the face. I wouldn't let them lay a finger on me! If someone like that made it so far to being scanned there's a problem with the airport security.

Besides, if there are terrorists we can all rely on

Spoiler: Take a guess

 

[Seitou]

You can just shut up, you're either an idiot or a troll and either way your opinion is worthless. I'm confident in my body, the fact that I don't want a stranger cupping my balls "just in case" has nothing to do with insecurity and everything to do with modesty. No-one but my friends, my family and my partner can touch my intimately and no-one but my partner can touch my junk. Calling anyone with a sense of personal modesty insecure is ignorant, and you should keep that in mind.

...wow that got a little personal, sorry but that pisses me off, modesty is not a fucking crime against nature and I'm sick of people calling people who actually care about that sort of thing insecure or out of the ordinary.

hahaha, yeah my opinion is the worthless one. How about the fact that you're being completely illogical? Yes it fucking is insecurity. The person patting you down doesn't give a damn about your cock, they lightly pat you down to see if you have anything hidden in your clothes. It's not like they take off all your clothes and check under your scrotum for a concealed handgun. Get over yourself. There's nothing sacred about your body, and if you really give a damn about this you do have some serious insecurity issues.

You can call me a troll all you want, I'll keep laughing at people like you until I die.

Considering you immediately equated modesty and an actual care about who has their hands on me to being an insecure, illogical freak I'd say we disagree so harshly we'll never be able to have a calm argument so I'm not going to try. it'll just end with the two of us yelling impotently at each other. >.< I'm pretty sure we can calmly ignore each other in this case at least.

 

[Madara XIII]

I can't even express in words just how not-fine I am with some security guy groping me.

Honestly though I think we should incorporate the Same-sex system like we do with the Police. If a Man arrests a woman, he can't pat her down and has to call in a female officer to do so. So I kinda feel that we should do that for airlines. It may feel violating, but at the same time less violating knowing it's the same sex.

How does same sex pat downs make it better?

I've never understood this. Someone I don't know is feeling up my balls. They can fuck right off, man or woman.

I mean, i'll tolerate it, but its still really uncomfortable.

Meh It's just standard procedure to avoid sexual harrassment lawsuits from Escalating through the roof.

 

[Snotnarok]

It's not an invasion of privacy. I don't want psychopaths getting on the god damn airplane with anything dangerous and oh RAMMING A JET into a building and killing people.

You have a clear option here, you want to get on the plane? You get a scan, otherwise take another mode of transit.

I'm sure the TSA guy just loves rubbing another mans junk that's their real reason. Other than trying to invade your privacy obviously.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

Not really, If it is to give added security, I see no reason not to. So long as we have same-sex officers. I could see problems if a male guard has to do a breast check on a female.

 

[Master Kuja]

I'm totally not okay with some generic security berk grabbing a fist full of my scrotum.

 

[JunebugJuJuBee]

Those who sacrifice their freedom for safety deserve neither.

It goes way too far. I don't care if it catches terrorists (though I heard that full body scanners couldn't catch a guy smuggling liquid bombs and that fake passports circumvent the no fly list easily), if it invades the privacy of law abiding citizens then we've gone too far.

 

[Miroku2235]

Because sometimes a pat down or body check is the only way to be sure. If you have a composite material knife that doesn't register on scanners tucked into your sock, attached to your inner thigh, or on your spine no one would know without a pat down or check. The scanner wouldn't pick it up, the dog wouldn't smell it because it would just smell like metal, and then the bad guy gets on the plane that has members of dozens of families and makes the pilot fly the son of a ***** into a building, killing even more people.

If they feel the need to search everyone to make sure that this doesn't happen, including searching me, then I'm fine with it. Oh sure, I'll be a little embarassed or uncomfortable with another guy frisking me, but you know what? I'd grow the fuck up and go on with my day, not have some kind of insecure, homophobic knee jerk reaction that some people in this thread have exhibited.

 

[Drakmorg]

I would be annoyed by this, except for the fact that I rarely ever go anywhere outside of reasonable driving distance so it doesn't really affect me, which means I don't really care.

 

[TheGreatCoolEnergy]

Parania>Freedom. If people think there is a slight chance a terrorsit could hide a bomb in his underwear, people will lobby like mad until that danger is removed.

 

[TheGreatCoolEnergy]

If they feel the need to search everyone to make sure that this doesn't happen, including searching me, then I'm fine with it. Oh sure, I'll be a little embarassed or uncomfortable with another guy frisking me, but you know what? I'd grow the fuck up and go on with my day, not have some kind of insecure, homophobic knee jerk reaction that some people in this thread have exhibited.

Everybody has the right to freedom and privacy. You do not need to be a terrorist to not want people rifling through your stuff and scanning your body. Privacy is a basic right in my country(Canada) as well as the states. Maybe it is you who should grow up and realise you don't have to be homophobic to want people to respect your privacy.

 

[Miroku2235]

If you have that big of a reaction to a SECURITY GUARD helping to enforce SECURITY by going through someone's bag or checking their clothes for a potential SECURITY THREAT, then perhaps you should just stick to driving, walking, or taking the bus/train.

 

[Blind Sight]

I was thinking about this thread on the way home, and I got a bit of an idea: ever notice how airport security (I've only been to Canadian and American airports, so they'll serve as examples) don't exactly seem very qualified or good at their jobs?

What if we took a page from Israel, and didn't give the job to civilians, but instead hired former military personal to run security at airports? Israel's way worse off when it comes to terrorist threats, but their airport security is very good, military personal would probably be more qualified and better at their job then just anyone who applied. Bear in mind, Israel's got easy access to a lot of people with military training, but it's definitely something to think about.

If anyone can find a problem in my logic, by all means, point it out to me, I just thought of this.

If they feel the need to search everyone to make sure that this doesn't happen, including searching me, then I'm fine with it. Oh sure, I'll be a little embarassed or uncomfortable with another guy frisking me, but you know what? I'd grow the fuck up and go on with my day, not have some kind of insecure, homophobic knee jerk reaction that some people in this thread have exhibited.

Yes, I'm clearly insecure and homophobic because I want people to respect my privacy, how did you come to that insulting and immature conclusion?