Furries - Not Entirely Human?

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What part of the sexuality aspect do you find weird?

Pretty much this. It's a little creepy to feel arousal at something like that.

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[ShadowKatt]

I think some furries might object to the wording less than human.

What can I say, I don't think furries should be shamed for feeling a strong connection with animals. Humans in general use animals and allegories to nature to represent ideas and ways of life all the time; often, we envy the animal kingdom. To shame furries for openly expressing such, is wrong and hypocritical.

I think most furries that read the title "less than human" would simply assume that it was yet another troll thread about how some sycophant want to take a subculture they deem sick and wrong and wipe it off the face of the earth as has been done so very, very many times before what with furries being acceptable targets and all and then move on rather than read through the comments they've seen a million times before about dragging people in fursuits into the streets and beating them with pipes. You know, like I thought as soon as I saw the title.

I'm actually glad that WASN'T the case for a change.

 

[SaetonChapelle]

They are biologically human.

However, their state of mind says otherwise. Like those who have gender confusion, these individuals can't seem to identify themselves as being part of the human species.

With that in mind however I have met very few furries who grasped onto the animal culture in full. Even CatMan who has gone through many, many surgeries in order to transform him into a tiger still holds onto his basic functions as a human being. A home, basic cooking, and a fairly normal lifestyle.

there is also a clear difference of people who actually FEEL like they are not human, and another set who just wishes that they were of a different species. In psychology and especially when taking polls and such this can be confused, and there are many different cases where there are less people who actually believe.

Of course there's disorders such as Delusions of Grandeur, so I suppose there might be quite a bit of people out there who might really think they are part animal, and the brain synopsis would match their beliefs.

You made a bit of a plunder with your English there.

"Like those who have gender confusion, these individuals can't seem to identify themselves as being part of the human species."

I know what you meant, but people with GID see themselves as perfectly human

Thanks for weighing in ^^

Erk, you're right. xD Damn lack of focus~

You posted some beautiful cosplay earlier, so I'll let this one slide

Yayy!!! My fashion abilities in the fantasy world has saved me!!!
My Masters in psychology is dealing with OCD and Schizophrenia, although I would love to continue looking in on such things as these. Any articles you found dealing with any forms of brain scans or electrical synopsis of these people?

No, sorry. The sources deal entirely with surveys and dialog between various researchers and psychologists. So, yeah, it's all psychology at this point and not in any way medical. I imagine funding is basically non-existent and there's really no rush to look into it as furries aren't an at risk group, so it will be very slow going.

So, first you post beautiful cosplay, then I find out you look super cute, and now you tell us you're doing your masters in psychology? You must have been snapped up by some lucky individual pretty quick, lol.

bummers! Ah well. Yeah, I dont suppose anyone is rushing to put money into such a study just yet.
I have been however doing a base study on the microchips that England has been creating that can grant an individual renewed memories. The long term effect (assuming that cloning is available) they plan in either transference of memory into a clone, or cyberspace. Here's just a base page but there's hundreds. Ive become quite fascinated.
http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2004/10/65422?currentPage=all

And nope. Not quite. xD I usually go solo's to cons and not many people share my video game loving, comic geek, cosplaying self. Guess it's a bit much for people.

I just met you and you're already trying to blow my mind up? Sheesh.

You're single? Oh damn. My day just got a little brighter. *moves into flirting mode* I mean, er, um.. I'm sorry to hear that.

[small][small]lol[/small][/small]

xD Smooth moves~ Only the best one can expect from one on a gamer site. I would be insulted with anything less~

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

I think some furries might object to the wording less than human.

What can I say, I don't think furries should be shamed for feeling a strong connection with animals. Humans in general use animals and allegories to nature to represent ideas and ways of life all the time; often, we envy the animal kingdom. To shame furries for openly expressing such, is wrong and hypocritical.

I think most furries that read the title "less than human" would simply assume that it was yet another troll thread about how some sycophant want to take a subculture they deem sick and wrong and wipe it off the face of the earth as has been done so very, very many times before what with furries being acceptable targets and all and then move on rather than read through the comments they've seen a million times before about dragging people in fursuits into the streets and beating them with pipes. You know, like I thought as soon as I saw the title.

I'm actually glad that WASN'T the case for a change.

Oh I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend any furries at all and I hold no ill will towards the culture.

I'll change it. Maybe... "Furries - Not Entirely Human?"

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

They are biologically human.

However, their state of mind says otherwise. Like those who have gender confusion, these individuals can't seem to identify themselves as being part of the human species.

With that in mind however I have met very few furries who grasped onto the animal culture in full. Even CatMan who has gone through many, many surgeries in order to transform him into a tiger still holds onto his basic functions as a human being. A home, basic cooking, and a fairly normal lifestyle.

there is also a clear difference of people who actually FEEL like they are not human, and another set who just wishes that they were of a different species. In psychology and especially when taking polls and such this can be confused, and there are many different cases where there are less people who actually believe.

Of course there's disorders such as Delusions of Grandeur, so I suppose there might be quite a bit of people out there who might really think they are part animal, and the brain synopsis would match their beliefs.

You made a bit of a plunder with your English there.

"Like those who have gender confusion, these individuals can't seem to identify themselves as being part of the human species."

I know what you meant, but people with GID see themselves as perfectly human

Thanks for weighing in ^^

Erk, you're right. xD Damn lack of focus~

You posted some beautiful cosplay earlier, so I'll let this one slide

Yayy!!! My fashion abilities in the fantasy world has saved me!!!
My Masters in psychology is dealing with OCD and Schizophrenia, although I would love to continue looking in on such things as these. Any articles you found dealing with any forms of brain scans or electrical synopsis of these people?

No, sorry. The sources deal entirely with surveys and dialog between various researchers and psychologists. So, yeah, it's all psychology at this point and not in any way medical. I imagine funding is basically non-existent and there's really no rush to look into it as furries aren't an at risk group, so it will be very slow going.

So, first you post beautiful cosplay, then I find out you look super cute, and now you tell us you're doing your masters in psychology? You must have been snapped up by some lucky individual pretty quick, lol.

bummers! Ah well. Yeah, I dont suppose anyone is rushing to put money into such a study just yet.
I have been however doing a base study on the microchips that England has been creating that can grant an individual renewed memories. The long term effect (assuming that cloning is available) they plan in either transference of memory into a clone, or cyberspace. Here's just a base page but there's hundreds. Ive become quite fascinated.
http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2004/10/65422?currentPage=all

And nope. Not quite. xD I usually go solo's to cons and not many people share my video game loving, comic geek, cosplaying self. Guess it's a bit much for people.

I just met you and you're already trying to blow my mind up? Sheesh.

You're single? Oh damn. My day just got a little brighter. *moves into flirting mode* I mean, er, um.. I'm sorry to hear that.

[small][small]lol[/small][/small]

xD Smooth moves~ Only the best one can expect from one on a gamer site. I would be insulted with anything less~

In a few years from now, when we are traveling the world, going from convention to convention, you'll look at me and say "Remember when you hit on me in that furry thread?" and we'll both laugh.

You'll see!

 

[SaetonChapelle]

They are biologically human.

However, their state of mind says otherwise. Like those who have gender confusion, these individuals can't seem to identify themselves as being part of the human species.

With that in mind however I have met very few furries who grasped onto the animal culture in full. Even CatMan who has gone through many, many surgeries in order to transform him into a tiger still holds onto his basic functions as a human being. A home, basic cooking, and a fairly normal lifestyle.

there is also a clear difference of people who actually FEEL like they are not human, and another set who just wishes that they were of a different species. In psychology and especially when taking polls and such this can be confused, and there are many different cases where there are less people who actually believe.

Of course there's disorders such as Delusions of Grandeur, so I suppose there might be quite a bit of people out there who might really think they are part animal, and the brain synopsis would match their beliefs.

You made a bit of a plunder with your English there.

"Like those who have gender confusion, these individuals can't seem to identify themselves as being part of the human species."

I know what you meant, but people with GID see themselves as perfectly human

Thanks for weighing in ^^

Erk, you're right. xD Damn lack of focus~

You posted some beautiful cosplay earlier, so I'll let this one slide

Yayy!!! My fashion abilities in the fantasy world has saved me!!!
My Masters in psychology is dealing with OCD and Schizophrenia, although I would love to continue looking in on such things as these. Any articles you found dealing with any forms of brain scans or electrical synopsis of these people?

No, sorry. The sources deal entirely with surveys and dialog between various researchers and psychologists. So, yeah, it's all psychology at this point and not in any way medical. I imagine funding is basically non-existent and there's really no rush to look into it as furries aren't an at risk group, so it will be very slow going.

So, first you post beautiful cosplay, then I find out you look super cute, and now you tell us you're doing your masters in psychology? You must have been snapped up by some lucky individual pretty quick, lol.

bummers! Ah well. Yeah, I dont suppose anyone is rushing to put money into such a study just yet.
I have been however doing a base study on the microchips that England has been creating that can grant an individual renewed memories. The long term effect (assuming that cloning is available) they plan in either transference of memory into a clone, or cyberspace. Here's just a base page but there's hundreds. Ive become quite fascinated.
http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2004/10/65422?currentPage=all

And nope. Not quite. xD I usually go solo's to cons and not many people share my video game loving, comic geek, cosplaying self. Guess it's a bit much for people.

I just met you and you're already trying to blow my mind up? Sheesh.

You're single? Oh damn. My day just got a little brighter. *moves into flirting mode* I mean, er, um.. I'm sorry to hear that.

[small][small]lol[/small][/small]

xD Smooth moves~ Only the best one can expect from one on a gamer site. I would be insulted with anything less~

In a few years from now, when we are traveling the world, going from convention to convention, you'll look at me and say "Remember when you hit on me in that furry thread?" and we'll both laugh.

You'll see!

I better!!! xD
I wanted to go to the MallOfAmerica convention this year but that didn't fall through. So Connecticon! We'll have to travel to the Germany cons as well cause they're pretty intense!!!
However Im pretty sure we got the shadiest hotel in existence.

 

[Necromancist]

Reading this thread makes me feel good. There's no furry hate, yay!

I guess I would be considered a furry, since I partake in art etc. I don't go to conventions though, and I think fursuits and such things are... well, quite silly really. I think the fandom term for those people who feel/believe they're an animal trapped in a human body is "Otherkin", though that might only be referring to the truly delusional ones.

I agree with the statements other people have made above that the "Less than human" term used in these studies could be seen as insulting. I also think that a distinction needs to be made between the various "grades" of how people deal with these feelings. I.E is it a fantasy they indulge in on the internet (or real life via fursuits) every now and then, is it something they feel bad about in a self-destructive manner, do they honestly think they're animals trapped in human bodies, etc? In drawing parallels with GID, one must take into consideration the severity.

Just my 2 cents. I'm by no means a psychologist, so don't take my words as gospel.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

They are biologically human.

However, their state of mind says otherwise. Like those who have gender confusion, these individuals can't seem to identify themselves as being part of the human species.

With that in mind however I have met very few furries who grasped onto the animal culture in full. Even CatMan who has gone through many, many surgeries in order to transform him into a tiger still holds onto his basic functions as a human being. A home, basic cooking, and a fairly normal lifestyle.

there is also a clear difference of people who actually FEEL like they are not human, and another set who just wishes that they were of a different species. In psychology and especially when taking polls and such this can be confused, and there are many different cases where there are less people who actually believe.

Of course there's disorders such as Delusions of Grandeur, so I suppose there might be quite a bit of people out there who might really think they are part animal, and the brain synopsis would match their beliefs.

You made a bit of a plunder with your English there.

"Like those who have gender confusion, these individuals can't seem to identify themselves as being part of the human species."

I know what you meant, but people with GID see themselves as perfectly human

Thanks for weighing in ^^

Erk, you're right. xD Damn lack of focus~

You posted some beautiful cosplay earlier, so I'll let this one slide

Yayy!!! My fashion abilities in the fantasy world has saved me!!!
My Masters in psychology is dealing with OCD and Schizophrenia, although I would love to continue looking in on such things as these. Any articles you found dealing with any forms of brain scans or electrical synopsis of these people?

No, sorry. The sources deal entirely with surveys and dialog between various researchers and psychologists. So, yeah, it's all psychology at this point and not in any way medical. I imagine funding is basically non-existent and there's really no rush to look into it as furries aren't an at risk group, so it will be very slow going.

So, first you post beautiful cosplay, then I find out you look super cute, and now you tell us you're doing your masters in psychology? You must have been snapped up by some lucky individual pretty quick, lol.

bummers! Ah well. Yeah, I dont suppose anyone is rushing to put money into such a study just yet.
I have been however doing a base study on the microchips that England has been creating that can grant an individual renewed memories. The long term effect (assuming that cloning is available) they plan in either transference of memory into a clone, or cyberspace. Here's just a base page but there's hundreds. Ive become quite fascinated.
http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2004/10/65422?currentPage=all

And nope. Not quite. xD I usually go solo's to cons and not many people share my video game loving, comic geek, cosplaying self. Guess it's a bit much for people.

I just met you and you're already trying to blow my mind up? Sheesh.

You're single? Oh damn. My day just got a little brighter. *moves into flirting mode* I mean, er, um.. I'm sorry to hear that.

[small][small]lol[/small][/small]

xD Smooth moves~ Only the best one can expect from one on a gamer site. I would be insulted with anything less~

In a few years from now, when we are traveling the world, going from convention to convention, you'll look at me and say "Remember when you hit on me in that furry thread?" and we'll both laugh.

You'll see!

I better!!! xD
I wanted to go to the MallOfAmerica convention this year but that didn't fall through. So Connecticon! We'll have to travel to the Germany cons as well cause they're pretty intense!!!
However Im pretty sure we got the shadiest hotel in existence.

I don't suppose you'd be any good at making me a costume? I'd hate to be anything less than perfect when walking around with you I've actually always wanted to make an Organization XIII outfit and my own keyblade <3

I'm such a nerd >_>

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

Reading this thread makes me feel good. There's no furry hate, yay!

I guess I would be considered a furry, since I partake in art etc. I don't go to conventions though, and I think fursuits and such things are... well, quite silly really. I think the fandom term for those people who feel/believe they're an animal trapped in a human body is "Otherkin", though that might only be referring to the truly delusional ones.

I agree with the statements other people have made above that the "Less than human" term used in these studies could be seen as insulting. I also think that a distinction needs to be made between the various "grades" of how people deal with these feelings. I.E is it a fantasy they indulge in on the internet (or real life via fursuits) every now and then, is it something they feel bad about in a self-destructive manner, do they honestly think they're animals trapped in human bodies, etc? In drawing parallels with GID, one must take into consideration the severity.

Just my 2 cents. I'm by no means a psychologist, so don't take my words as gospel.

"Less than human" wasn't actually said in any of the studies. It was just my wording of the thread title. But I changed it to not offend or upset.

 

[Vuliev]

Well the whole point was me questioning the parallel between them as part of its validation. So to bring that up is premature and would invoke circular logic.

Oh. I guess you got something different from reading then--it seemed quite clear to me that Gerbasi's noting possible similarities between GID and SID was a springboard to find a way to investigate how

And I pointed out that the form it takes would have pretty much nothing to do with furries unless they're feeling like some kind of extinct animal they've probably never heard of.

...I think you're getting at distinction between types of furries, which is difficult at best. A connection that seems clear to me is that "I feel like I'm a falcon, so I'm going to associate with people that engage in behavior that expresses how I feel (which encompasses most definitions of "furry.")"

Um, no I feel quite confident in saying that it's not biological for the reasons stated above. Pretty sure we don't classify all mental issues as biological just because the mind is a biological thing.

You're just nitpicking now (and I think you're conflating "biological" with "physiological.")

Yes, it's (or would have to be) a mental issue, that much is clear. Remember, though, that while we don't know how the brain works in its entirety, we have been able to narrow down a decent selection of mental disorders to specific areas or the brain, so saying "it's not a biological thing" is just going to confuse people (as it did me.)

Ummmmmmmm. I don't think that's the case. Just a quick glance at 'mental disorder' on Wikipedia seems to say that isn't the case at all.

Semantics again. Moreover, "Mental disorders are generally defined by a combination of how a person feels, acts, thinks or perceives," and that encompasses something like SID quite well. Your use of "delusion" carries the usual negative connotations (and severity of the problem) which aren't really present here.

I doubt that SID, if it's a thing, is a true delusion in the medical sense, unless every single instance of this particular feeling is extremely strong in every person which is manifests. To clarify, it would need to be something like "I am a falcon" as opposed to "I feel like a falcon trapped in a human body" (as would seem to be the case with most of these individuals.)

 

[SaetonChapelle]

They are biologically human.

However, their state of mind says otherwise. Like those who have gender confusion, these individuals can't seem to identify themselves as being part of the human species.

With that in mind however I have met very few furries who grasped onto the animal culture in full. Even CatMan who has gone through many, many surgeries in order to transform him into a tiger still holds onto his basic functions as a human being. A home, basic cooking, and a fairly normal lifestyle.

there is also a clear difference of people who actually FEEL like they are not human, and another set who just wishes that they were of a different species. In psychology and especially when taking polls and such this can be confused, and there are many different cases where there are less people who actually believe.

Of course there's disorders such as Delusions of Grandeur, so I suppose there might be quite a bit of people out there who might really think they are part animal, and the brain synopsis would match their beliefs.

You made a bit of a plunder with your English there.

"Like those who have gender confusion, these individuals can't seem to identify themselves as being part of the human species."

I know what you meant, but people with GID see themselves as perfectly human

Thanks for weighing in ^^

Erk, you're right. xD Damn lack of focus~

You posted some beautiful cosplay earlier, so I'll let this one slide

Yayy!!! My fashion abilities in the fantasy world has saved me!!!
My Masters in psychology is dealing with OCD and Schizophrenia, although I would love to continue looking in on such things as these. Any articles you found dealing with any forms of brain scans or electrical synopsis of these people?

No, sorry. The sources deal entirely with surveys and dialog between various researchers and psychologists. So, yeah, it's all psychology at this point and not in any way medical. I imagine funding is basically non-existent and there's really no rush to look into it as furries aren't an at risk group, so it will be very slow going.

So, first you post beautiful cosplay, then I find out you look super cute, and now you tell us you're doing your masters in psychology? You must have been snapped up by some lucky individual pretty quick, lol.

bummers! Ah well. Yeah, I dont suppose anyone is rushing to put money into such a study just yet.
I have been however doing a base study on the microchips that England has been creating that can grant an individual renewed memories. The long term effect (assuming that cloning is available) they plan in either transference of memory into a clone, or cyberspace. Here's just a base page but there's hundreds. Ive become quite fascinated.
http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2004/10/65422?currentPage=all

And nope. Not quite. xD I usually go solo's to cons and not many people share my video game loving, comic geek, cosplaying self. Guess it's a bit much for people.

I just met you and you're already trying to blow my mind up? Sheesh.

You're single? Oh damn. My day just got a little brighter. *moves into flirting mode* I mean, er, um.. I'm sorry to hear that.

[small][small]lol[/small][/small]

xD Smooth moves~ Only the best one can expect from one on a gamer site. I would be insulted with anything less~

In a few years from now, when we are traveling the world, going from convention to convention, you'll look at me and say "Remember when you hit on me in that furry thread?" and we'll both laugh.

You'll see!

I better!!! xD
I wanted to go to the MallOfAmerica convention this year but that didn't fall through. So Connecticon! We'll have to travel to the Germany cons as well cause they're pretty intense!!!
However Im pretty sure we got the shadiest hotel in existence.

I don't suppose you'd be any good at making me a costume? I'd hate to be anything less than perfect when walking around with you I've actually always wanted to make an Organization XIII outfit and my own keyblade <3

I'm such a nerd >_>

Sure that would be awesome! xD I can't wait to do my blue rose outfit from Tiger&Bunny. Almost done! Just making the guns atm.

 

[Chromatic Aberration]

Highly interesting topic.

Unfortunately I cannot see this thread end well - some aspects are very controversial and threads that talk about Furrydom in general around here I remember not ever dying without much flaming. I hope I'am wrong on this one, though....

As for the matter at hand I personally think that Furries are essentially another subgroup not unlike Goths, Emos and Punks. Its main selling point being a group-identifier people can use for various reasons they can identify by. And those vary wildly, ranging from mentioned belief to actually be non-human (see also Otherkin [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otherkin]), over merely finding the concept of anthropomorphic animals interesting, directly using it as an outlet to rebel against tight social conventions to just looking to satisfy their kinks. Conversely, having one of those reasons above does not lead to one necessarily identifying as a furry. A furry is, first and foremost, one who identifies as such.

So, the group is inhomogenous - like every other social group out there, mind you. That's also the main problem when discussing it: people will discuss using different connotations what a Furry actually is and what the Fandom - some will inevitably make the mistake of identifying the whole group with one of those subsets leading to friction and...well...flames. As such, Its very important to keep the diversity of the group in mind when talking about it.

That said, I'd personally see the factors of both escapism and rebellion as well as the sexual aspect as the biggest incentives pushing people towards using this group-identifier. Hence my comparison with the subgroups at the start, which prominently feature the first of these factors as their main selling point.

Up until now I have only spoken about semantics and the need to treat the fandom as diverse as it evidently is, but have ignored the main question in your post: Why is Furrydom so popular?[footnote] Popular in the Internet that is...[/footnote] Are there biological reasons involved, like the one presumed in one of your sources, or is it a purely Psychological matter? And while we are at it, is that even a problem?

And thats where I could probably write some ten thousand words discussing possible answers to these questions - which I won't do here. Suffice to say I personally think a certain biological disposition, both in terms of fetishism towards anthropomorphic animals[footnote] Not even sure if you can use the word fetish here as I'd treat it as a mild form of zoophilia. And that's a paraphilia last time I checked. [/footnote] as well as using such a group identifier as a form of mechanism for escapism is likely. I also wouldn't discount the probability that both GID as well as overly identifying with an animal can be based on a common biological disposition also. That said, I think cultural differences will also inevitably play a role here: For example, If I recall correctly, most of the Furrydom is based in the US. This could point to a unique characteristic of the US in both having relatively tight knit communities as well as an enshrined notion of freedom and individuality. Both points could catalyze such identification.

Now is Furryism a problem? Of course not. In principle its not anymore of a problem than, say, our gaming community here. Where it gets trickier is, if we consider certain parts again and try to make generalizations about subsets of the community.

To focus on the question at hand[footnote]...which I duly lost sight of during the last paragraph, I realize[/footnote] what about the feeling of being "less than human"? As mentioned, I wouldn't actually discard a possible biological disposition. However its far more likely that people who identified as such simply identify strongly with the group and their anthropomorphic persona - making this far more of a socio-cultural statement than an actual biological one. And this, I wouldn't see as too much of a problem if it doesn't signify some deeper psychological issues.

In terms of treatment of people who overly identify with an animal to the point that they themselves would consider to be the wrong species - if that mandates treatment is something that has to be decided on each case I think and might very well also just be some symptom of other psychological issues.

As closing words I just want to mention that this whole paragraph is based on my personal assumptions and thoughts on that matter and I didn't want to offend anyone with it. Apologies if I did.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

They are biologically human.

However, their state of mind says otherwise. Like those who have gender confusion, these individuals can't seem to identify themselves as being part of the human species.

With that in mind however I have met very few furries who grasped onto the animal culture in full. Even CatMan who has gone through many, many surgeries in order to transform him into a tiger still holds onto his basic functions as a human being. A home, basic cooking, and a fairly normal lifestyle.

there is also a clear difference of people who actually FEEL like they are not human, and another set who just wishes that they were of a different species. In psychology and especially when taking polls and such this can be confused, and there are many different cases where there are less people who actually believe.

Of course there's disorders such as Delusions of Grandeur, so I suppose there might be quite a bit of people out there who might really think they are part animal, and the brain synopsis would match their beliefs.

You made a bit of a plunder with your English there.

"Like those who have gender confusion, these individuals can't seem to identify themselves as being part of the human species."

I know what you meant, but people with GID see themselves as perfectly human

Thanks for weighing in ^^

Erk, you're right. xD Damn lack of focus~

You posted some beautiful cosplay earlier, so I'll let this one slide

Yayy!!! My fashion abilities in the fantasy world has saved me!!!
My Masters in psychology is dealing with OCD and Schizophrenia, although I would love to continue looking in on such things as these. Any articles you found dealing with any forms of brain scans or electrical synopsis of these people?

No, sorry. The sources deal entirely with surveys and dialog between various researchers and psychologists. So, yeah, it's all psychology at this point and not in any way medical. I imagine funding is basically non-existent and there's really no rush to look into it as furries aren't an at risk group, so it will be very slow going.

So, first you post beautiful cosplay, then I find out you look super cute, and now you tell us you're doing your masters in psychology? You must have been snapped up by some lucky individual pretty quick, lol.

bummers! Ah well. Yeah, I dont suppose anyone is rushing to put money into such a study just yet.
I have been however doing a base study on the microchips that England has been creating that can grant an individual renewed memories. The long term effect (assuming that cloning is available) they plan in either transference of memory into a clone, or cyberspace. Here's just a base page but there's hundreds. Ive become quite fascinated.
http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2004/10/65422?currentPage=all

And nope. Not quite. xD I usually go solo's to cons and not many people share my video game loving, comic geek, cosplaying self. Guess it's a bit much for people.

I just met you and you're already trying to blow my mind up? Sheesh.

You're single? Oh damn. My day just got a little brighter. *moves into flirting mode* I mean, er, um.. I'm sorry to hear that.

[small][small]lol[/small][/small]

xD Smooth moves~ Only the best one can expect from one on a gamer site. I would be insulted with anything less~

In a few years from now, when we are traveling the world, going from convention to convention, you'll look at me and say "Remember when you hit on me in that furry thread?" and we'll both laugh.

You'll see!

I better!!! xD
I wanted to go to the MallOfAmerica convention this year but that didn't fall through. So Connecticon! We'll have to travel to the Germany cons as well cause they're pretty intense!!!
However Im pretty sure we got the shadiest hotel in existence.

I don't suppose you'd be any good at making me a costume? I'd hate to be anything less than perfect when walking around with you I've actually always wanted to make an Organization XIII outfit and my own keyblade <3

I'm such a nerd >_>

Sure that would be awesome! xD I can't wait to do my blue rose outfit from Tiger&Bunny. Almost done! Just making the guns atm.

Oh I so can't wait to see that, lol. For the cosplay, of course. Not to see you in something skimpy. *cough*

Where do you get all the materials for this stuff? Just craft and fabric stores?

 

[Necromancist]

-Snip-

I loved all of that. Bravo sir, bravo.

 

[SaetonChapelle]

They are biologically human.

However, their state of mind says otherwise. Like those who have gender confusion, these individuals can't seem to identify themselves as being part of the human species.

With that in mind however I have met very few furries who grasped onto the animal culture in full. Even CatMan who has gone through many, many surgeries in order to transform him into a tiger still holds onto his basic functions as a human being. A home, basic cooking, and a fairly normal lifestyle.

there is also a clear difference of people who actually FEEL like they are not human, and another set who just wishes that they were of a different species. In psychology and especially when taking polls and such this can be confused, and there are many different cases where there are less people who actually believe.

Of course there's disorders such as Delusions of Grandeur, so I suppose there might be quite a bit of people out there who might really think they are part animal, and the brain synopsis would match their beliefs.

You made a bit of a plunder with your English there.

"Like those who have gender confusion, these individuals can't seem to identify themselves as being part of the human species."

I know what you meant, but people with GID see themselves as perfectly human

Thanks for weighing in ^^

Erk, you're right. xD Damn lack of focus~

You posted some beautiful cosplay earlier, so I'll let this one slide

Yayy!!! My fashion abilities in the fantasy world has saved me!!!
My Masters in psychology is dealing with OCD and Schizophrenia, although I would love to continue looking in on such things as these. Any articles you found dealing with any forms of brain scans or electrical synopsis of these people?

No, sorry. The sources deal entirely with surveys and dialog between various researchers and psychologists. So, yeah, it's all psychology at this point and not in any way medical. I imagine funding is basically non-existent and there's really no rush to look into it as furries aren't an at risk group, so it will be very slow going.

So, first you post beautiful cosplay, then I find out you look super cute, and now you tell us you're doing your masters in psychology? You must have been snapped up by some lucky individual pretty quick, lol.

bummers! Ah well. Yeah, I dont suppose anyone is rushing to put money into such a study just yet.
I have been however doing a base study on the microchips that England has been creating that can grant an individual renewed memories. The long term effect (assuming that cloning is available) they plan in either transference of memory into a clone, or cyberspace. Here's just a base page but there's hundreds. Ive become quite fascinated.
http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2004/10/65422?currentPage=all

And nope. Not quite. xD I usually go solo's to cons and not many people share my video game loving, comic geek, cosplaying self. Guess it's a bit much for people.

I just met you and you're already trying to blow my mind up? Sheesh.

You're single? Oh damn. My day just got a little brighter. *moves into flirting mode* I mean, er, um.. I'm sorry to hear that.

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xD Smooth moves~ Only the best one can expect from one on a gamer site. I would be insulted with anything less~

In a few years from now, when we are traveling the world, going from convention to convention, you'll look at me and say "Remember when you hit on me in that furry thread?" and we'll both laugh.

You'll see!

I better!!! xD
I wanted to go to the MallOfAmerica convention this year but that didn't fall through. So Connecticon! We'll have to travel to the Germany cons as well cause they're pretty intense!!!
However Im pretty sure we got the shadiest hotel in existence.

I don't suppose you'd be any good at making me a costume? I'd hate to be anything less than perfect when walking around with you I've actually always wanted to make an Organization XIII outfit and my own keyblade <3

I'm such a nerd >_>

Sure that would be awesome! xD I can't wait to do my blue rose outfit from Tiger&Bunny. Almost done! Just making the guns atm.

Oh I so can't wait to see that, lol. For the cosplay, of course. Not to see you in something skimpy. *cough*

Where do you get all the materials for this stuff? Just craft and fabric stores?

Both craft and fabric stores, and online. different fabrics and such for different outfits. The Blue rose one is made with an almost plastic fiber.

 

[Vuliev]

How what? How similar they are?

Ehh, no, more of "let's use something that seems similar at first glance to this thing we have in order to understand the thing better."

Which doesn't make sense on any sort of biological grounds for 'SID' because we have no access to falcon DNA in our bodies. Which was my point for this.

Ahh, thank you, I gotcha now. And yes, that makes sense.

No, not nitpicking at all. I'd say that trying to say it's biological when people don't usually talk about it that way is more in the line of nitpicking. =|
All I did was point out that it is how it is classified and I was using it the way people normally do.

I'm...not sure I follow you on this one--what exactly do you have in mind when you use the term "biological"?

Also, I wasn't the one that brought up the "biological" thing you're referring to--I think that was Elcia.

No, you were just plain wrong.

...no, it's pretty clear from the context of the article that Gerbasi is looking at this from a mental perspective, and that her use of "disorder" in "Species Identity Disorder" is meant as "mental disorder."

I never said it wasn't a mental disorder. Delusions are mental disorders.

Okay, I had to follow the quote-trail back, and it seems we were looking at different things. You were looking at Elcia's "animal hardwiring/regression" thing, and I thought you'd gotten that from the original article, which didn't have anything like that.

Alright, then something similar to one. It's simply not grounded in anything beyond their mind.

Yes, that's what I got. Still, it doesn't hurt to consider more possibilities than the obvious, does it?

I get the feeling we've been on the same page, but are terrible at conveying our thoughts over the internet. XP