Furry != Bestiality

[Danzaivar]

So...umm yea, while yes there are clear differences if you sit down and try to think why people like furies (it's sexualizing animals with human physical characteristics)

Being a furry is not about sex. I should know, I am one.
People assume sexualisation because of the media portrayed around furries.

Deviant art doesn't do anything to help my argument either....

But seriously. Watch this;

http://vimeo.com/17995012

The guy near the end explains my entire argument.

Ok, first off, not to sound like a dick, but I'm not about to go jump into a 37 minute video or accept blindly that it will somehow/somewhere have some sort of counter to my whole argument. Seriously, I'm not a fan of someone taking a tiny snippet of someone's argument, saying they disagree with it and thus saying it's somehow negating the rest of the argument. It doesn't.
Really sorry, but unless there is more to the arguing against my point I'm not about to go spend half an hour watching a video, that I'm pretty sure won't counter my argument about the definition you're trying to convince people to believe.

You're saying you're going to deny a person's argument because you can't be assed to even know what the fuck their argument is?

You do realise that voids any opinion you might have in any future argument on the subject right? You understand that you have made all your arguments invalid? Yes?

You are wrong.

Read every article on this website to see why: http://www.wikipedia.org/

Failure to do this voids any opinion you might have in any future argument on the subject.

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OT: Yeah I agree, it's stupid that people seem to mix the two up. You did make one mistake though. Anthropomorphic doesn't mean half human half animal. It's a humanised version of something that isn't human. Can be an animal, or a country, or a website, or pretty much anything.

Hell, I've seen an anthro-deathstar somewhere!

 

[Macgyvercas]

This [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.255213-Am-in-love-with-a-dog-from-a-movie-Is-is-that-normal]; oh god this. Forever this. This is the reason why we can't be different. This is the reason we can't express ourselves.

I must point out. I am not against the OP. Despite being slightly disturbing. His business is his own. I am against the assumption in the comments that because he "loves" a dog. He is a Furry.

Wrong.
So wrong.
Oh god! So wrong.
Being a Furry does not equal bestiality.

To quote a fellow sympathiser on my grief;

I hate the assumption made that Furries Love Animals.
We do not, we love Anthros, that is to say Animal-Human Hybrids, not fucking (in any sense of the word) animals.

[img_inline width=250 align="left" Caption="This is a dog"]http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu272/tristaria1/bolt-the-dog.jpg[/img_inline]

[img_inline width=250 align="left" Caption="This is an Anthro, Human-Animal Hybrid"]http://www.gemakei.com/media/albums/userpics/10006/furryForKrystal.jpg[/img_inline]

[img_inline width=200 align="left" Caption="This explains everything"]http://memepedia.info/images/f/fb/Furry_classification.jpg[/img_inline]

Actually, I suppose this is more aimed at fellow furries who have noticed the same thing but I also hope it educates others who are ignorant on such matters!

I suppose it is more a generalisation of something that not everyone understands. Which is par for the course with anything different. But generalisations that paint a specific group in a bad light right from the start is a human failing I despise.

[sub][sub]I managed to write all that without swearing. Despite the RAGE inside me[/sub][/sub]

Time Lord, I always knew you were awesome, but for explaining something in a little over a paragraph that even wikipedia could make me understand (that article is a touch confusing), you are now somewhere with the ranks of Morgan Freeman in terms of awesomeness.

Yeah, I don't know what it was, but my definition of a furry was never that clear. I mean, I have absolutely nothing against furries and dislike that people bash them a lot (and I don't know if this counts, but I openly and proudly admit that I like cat ears and tails...wolf ears and tails will suffice as well), but it's true that I didn't really understand the specifics (though I did know that beastiality was NOT involved).

 

[Daedalus1942]

All I've learnt form this thread is that the escapist is literally full of furries.....

My opinion on the matter is that furries run in a similar vein to the vampire trend after Twilight was released. A bunch of Adolescents who, for lack of a proper social life, have made fictional things into fetishes.

Except that my social life is going swimmingly right now. Better than it ever has been in my life and it coincides with my discovery of furry. Work that one out.

Ok, but I know the answer will come in the form of a lie of which I obviously cannot disprove.

You became a furry because of a bad social life, now you hang out with other furries which means you have, as some might see it, a better social life.

Nope.avi
I came across furry as a result of a friend of mine who was one back in Australia who said it was totally awesome. We all thought he was crazy, but when I moved to China I decided to give it a look and it swept me away, after a long long time.
Since I've moved to china I've made more friends at school than at any previous school before, likely due to the fact that no one bullies me. Though if they knew I was a furry they'd have other things to say.

So your friends at the moment don't know that you are a furry, and you just said that you were bullied and had few friends previously (some might call that a bad social life). Hence you became a furry... I fail to see how you have disproved my original point....

While he hasn't disproved your statement, I fail to see how anything you've said proves he became a furry simply because of a poor social life.
I've always been rather effeminate and had a fairly poor social life (but 5 or 6 REALLY close friends).
Are you going to state I'm a male to female transsexual because of my "poor social life?"
-Tabs<3-

 

[Daedalus1942]

THANK YOU. Seriously, people of the escapist. Stop dumping bestiality in the furry pool. We don't want the shit, we aren't into that shit. We're into the Animals ONLY IF they're half human, it's the human bits we like the animal bits make it 'exotic' to put it in laymans terms.

Wow... I never figured you for a furry, Zeeky.
Interesting. I'm assuming the Aussie Escapist group doesn't know this fact?
There's nothing wrong with it in my opinion (look at my life.. who am I to judge?) but I imagine you would cop alot of hate if people found out >.<
The amount of internet hate towards furries is retarded.

Also, that guy that is in love with Bolt, it doesn't technically mean he's into beastiality. He likes a cartoon dog. If he had a sexual attraction towards a real living dog then I could understand him being labelled a freak and a pervert. I'd feel sorry for him if this was the case, but this is not the case.

It's really no different from a videogame crush (i know alot of people who have the hots for Liara T'soni myself included) , aside from the fact that it's not a human (or even remotely close depiction to human) that he has fallen for.

I understand your anger at being lumped in with him and it is most certainly unjust, but it is unfair to judge him so harshly.
-Tabs<3-

Oh, some of them know, others may or may not know. I doubt that they'd care at this stage, it's not the sort of thing that comes up.

As for the bolt guy, I wasn't angry at him, I was angry at the people calling him a furry and by association naming it bestiality in the same post. He still creeped me out though.

No, but it's evident from your post.
Seriously, go back and read the post I quoted.
"We don't want the shit, we aren't into that shit."
That would suggest if you don't believe the guy from the Bolt Love is a furry (which is fairly evident) then you're lumping him into the beastiality crowd, yes?
I'm not trying to offend you, merely educate and understand.
-Tabs<3-

 

[The Lunatic]

Spoiler: If I may...

Nothing new to see here guys.

 

[Sevre]

All I've learnt form this thread is that the escapist is literally full of furries.....

Hey I was surprised too.

But hey kids, whatever you're into, as long as it's consensual and not illegal it doesn't matter to me.

However, whether you define Furry as a fetish or a subculture, you shouldn't judge a person for it.

 

[wrightguy0]

As far as I understand it, furries identify with anthropomorphic animals because, on some level, they feel THEMSELVES to be anthropomorphic animals. That's why you see all these fursonas everywhere. That is their way of becoming who they envision themselves to be.

I don't know if any furries feel trapped in their current bodies. Hell, I'm not sure if any of this is true, I'm not a furry, so I don't know.
This is just what I've picked up from snippets here and there.

I'd figure in many cases it's similar to drag queens and transvestites (key Differences, transgender individuals can become the the man or woman they know they are, furries cannot change their species) even Cosplay and LARPing now yes there are people who take it to a stranger, more sexual level, but just because someone's a furry doesn't make them any of these things.

Like any subculture there are numerous factions and factors within the community itself and in any community you're bound to get a few freaks, but the actions of those few should not define the community as a whole.

Unfortunately this is something news outlets love to exploit to bring up that little sensation of fear we get when confronted with new ideas and new cultures, furphobia is by no means unique in this regard. it even parallels some other societal trends like islamaphobia , homophobia and transphobia.

In fact the same attitude that the OP Discusses, where furries are equated with bestiality was prevalent in the 1950's where many thought homosexuals were the same as pedophiles, all of this comes from scared, ignorant fuckwits who fear anything that doesn't look the same, act the same, or think the same as them, pure and simple. (of course it's never pure and simple)

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

To be honest I don't think furries should get so riled up when people claim it's bestiality. If I had to choose to be one, I would rather be into fucking dogs than fucking cartoon half-animals.

At least dogs actually exist.

Just saying.

 

[Daedalus1942]

THANK YOU. Seriously, people of the escapist. Stop dumping bestiality in the furry pool. We don't want the shit, we aren't into that shit. We're into the Animals ONLY IF they're half human, it's the human bits we like the animal bits make it 'exotic' to put it in laymans terms.

Wow... I never figured you for a furry, Zeeky.
Interesting. I'm assuming the Aussie Escapist group doesn't know this fact?
There's nothing wrong with it in my opinion (look at my life.. who am I to judge?) but I imagine you would cop alot of hate if people found out >.<
The amount of internet hate towards furries is retarded.

Also, that guy that is in love with Bolt, it doesn't technically mean he's into beastiality. He likes a cartoon dog. If he had a sexual attraction towards a real living dog then I could understand him being labelled a freak and a pervert. I'd feel sorry for him if this was the case, but this is not the case.

It's really no different from a videogame crush (i know alot of people who have the hots for Liara T'soni myself included) , aside from the fact that it's not a human (or even remotely close depiction to human) that he has fallen for.

I understand your anger at being lumped in with him and it is most certainly unjust, but it is unfair to judge him so harshly.
-Tabs<3-

Oh, some of them know, others may or may not know. I doubt that they'd care at this stage, it's not the sort of thing that comes up.

As for the bolt guy, I wasn't angry at him, I was angry at the people calling him a furry and by association naming it bestiality in the same post. He still creeped me out though.

No, but it's evident from your post.
Seriously, go back and read the post I quoted.
"We don't want the shit, we aren't into that shit."
That would suggest if you don't believe the guy from the Bolt Love is a furry (which is fairly evident) then you're lumping him into the beastiality crowd, yes?
I'm not trying to offend you, merely educate and understand.
-Tabs<3-

Yeah, I suppose you're right.

I understand your anger at the constant misconception or the supposed "correlation" between the two, but the original original poster from the Bolt Thread is really not all that different from the furry ideal.

Okay, yes it's unusual that he's fallen in love with a CGI Dreamworks creation, but the thing is it doesn't really exist.
It is a fictional character just like soooooooo much furry art, so through that exact same logic, nothing anyone says can really apply to it.
It is someone's intellectual property, nothing more.
I do feel very sorry for the person though as that love will never prosper or end in a happy note in any way, shape or form.

If however he does find a little dog that looks like Bolt and proceeds to have "relationships" with it, then it's no holds barred.
He will be ridiculed and have a life of hatred and depression (as dogs don't live all that long).

I'm not against beastiality in any way as long as the animal is consenting (usually initiates it) and isn't being hurt.
It is however an unusual lifestyle, and I do feel sorry for anyone who pursues it.
-Tabs<3-

 

[Daedalus1942]

As far as I understand it, furries identify with anthropomorphic animals because, on some level, they feel THEMSELVES to be anthropomorphic animals. That's why you see all these fursonas everywhere. That is their way of becoming who they envision themselves to be.

I don't know if any furries feel trapped in their current bodies. Hell, I'm not sure if any of this is true, I'm not a furry, so I don't know.
This is just what I've picked up from snippets here and there.

I'd figure in many cases it's similar to drag queens and transvestites (key Differences, transgender individuals can become the the man or woman they know they are, furries cannot change their species) even Cosplay and LARPing now yes there are people who take it to a stranger, more sexual level, but just because someone's a furry doesn't make them any of these things.

Like any subculture there are numerous factions and factors within the community itself and in any community you're bound to get a few freaks, but the actions of those few should not define the community as a whole.

Unfortunately this is something news outlets love to exploit to bring up that little sensation of fear we get when confronted with new ideas and new cultures, furphobia is by no means unique in this regard. it even parallels some other societal trends like islamaphobia , homophobia and transphobia.

In fact the same attitude that the OP Discusses, where furries are equated with bestiality was prevalent in the 1950's where many thought homosexuals were the same as pedophiles, all of this comes from scared, ignorant fuckwits who fear anything that doesn't look the same, act the same, or think the same as them, pure and simple. (of course it's never pure and simple)

Well said... I feel as though I should invite you to the Open Group for Transgendered people in the Escapist.
We would definately appreciate your help weeding out ignorance and misconception about the trans community.
Would you be willing?
-Tabs<3-

 

[Abedeus]

You find something closely similar to an animal hot/sexy/you like it. You might not be into animals, but you have weird obsession with animal-like creatures.

To be honest I don't think furries should get so riled up when people claim it's bestiality. If I had to choose to be one, I would rather be into fucking dogs than fucking cartoon half-animals.

At least dogs actually exist.

Just saying.

Oh my GOOOOOOOOOOOOD

 

[garfoldsomeoneelse]

I take issue with a good deal of the furry community, and this thread is an example of why: because I don't need to know. When is my lack of understanding of your hobbies going to negatively impact either of us in any meaningful way? What are we preventing, here? Someone on the internet trolling you by saying "you fuck dogs"? If your hobbies earn you grief from the rest of the world, I ask you, which of the following would be the best course of action?

A) Insist on telling everyone, regardless of lack of solicitation or interest, about stuff they didn't care about (and likely still don't) until you decided they need to know.
or
B) Stop telling people.

You know what I like to do? Shooting sports. Shotguns, rifles, pistols, and everything in between. Many common misconceptions include "you're a redneck", "you're waiting for an excuse to murder someone", "you must have a small penis", "you're paranoid and dangerous", and "you are obsessed with violence". Obviously, these do not apply to the majority of people who enjoy shooting sports, but I don't start threads trying to justify my predilection for firearms, despite the fact that I think they're some of the most interesting things in the entire world and identify myself as a "shooter". I simply decide not to throw it in peoples' faces, and discuss it only with people that I am assured are on the same page as me or people that are curious to know more after I'm reasonably certain they'd be comfortable with me broaching the subject, so I don't have to go through the miserable process of having to edify the uninformed about my hobbies.

It's really easy. When people ask what my hobbies are, I give them a few standard-but-applicable answers, then try to feel them out for any signs of common interest. If yes, hooray, let's talk guns. If not, let's talk about something else so you don't have to know that I'm capable of killing you with a single bullet at impressive distances, which is an alienating and disturbing concept to people who aren't in the know, which causes them to draw unflattering conclusions about me; because of this, everyone is better off if others remain unburdened by my desire to wax pedantic about things they never wanted to know about.

 

[The Cheezy One]

I sorta get furry's. Not into it myself, but I can see that, as with all cartoons, anime and manga in particular, they can provide a perfectly sculpted human form, with an exotic, foreign aspect. I myself can appreciate the occasional manga/anime person, but I don't want one to rule my world.
One thing I don't get is people that seem to be into furries more than humans. It's an interest, thats ok. Not mine, but keep it clean(ish) and I have no problems, there are more disturbing interests in the world, and many less harmless ones.

 

[Spark Ignition]

Spoiler: If I may...

Nothing new to see here guys.

Unfortunate quote if you're in the 'furries aren't into bestiality' camp I'm afraid Cingal... The ancient egyptians were into all kinds of bestiality and apparently 'mastered the art of coitus with a crocodile'.

I'm just sayin'.

To be honest I've never given fair discussion to the topic of furries. As the idea of any kind of sexual behaviour with even an animal-human hybrid is abhorrent to me (I'm also strangely resistant, for a 20-year old guy, to the appeal of any cgi or animated character) I've always considered furries to be sexual deviants, or at the very least emotionally immature and hormonally confused.
I'm not trolling or just waving my prejudice around here, this has been my honest opinion, but I'm quite open to having a balanced discussion with anyone who cares about my opinion or wishes to enlighten me on how you feel?