Gamer Girl Jayd3Fox Bullied off web by Feminist

[Artaneius]

BREAKING NEWS: PEOPLE ARE BEING MEAN TO PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET

I KNO RITE... LIEK THE WAY INTERNETZ BEEN SINCE IT STAR1ED LOLOLOLOL

Seriously, the internet has been like this since the beginning. It's in the anonymous rules of the internet for gods sake. Had to quote this for truth. People with feelings and emotions need to go back to reality where being politically correct is enforced by governments.

 

[CpT_x_Killsteal]

y'know guys, I think the OP is trying to imply that this sounds exactly like the cases with Anita and Zoe, but since the evil person wasn't a man, the indie-circles, feminist circles, game "journalists", won't report on this because it doesn't fit their narrative. If I'm wrong here, please correct me.

 

[Bombiz]

I started to feel bad for her, then she said "Feminazis." I stopped listening at that point. Anyone who uses that term in a non-joking way loses all sympathy from me.

This statement, to me is what is wrong with the internet. Someone say's something you find offensive/disagree with so they loose all of your sympathy/empathy. Make's 0 sense to me.

 

[Skatologist]

I started to feel bad for her, then she said "Feminazis." I stopped listening at that point. Anyone who uses that term in a non-joking way loses all sympathy from me.

This statement, to me is what is wrong with the internet. Someone say's something you find offensive/disagree with so they loose all of your sympathy/empathy. Make's 0 sense to me.

Eh, find it kind of like listening to a really nice person and they suddenly become a dick when you get them talking about religion/race/politics/sex. i'm guessing either that was either hyperbole on AkaDad's part or they've had bad experiences with such people in the past. People who invoke godwin's law aren't necessarily undeserving of respect or sympathy or empathy, but the invocation is usually not justified 99 % of the time.

 

[AJ_Lethal]

Look, just because I pointed out irregularities

They're not even "irregularities". Just because you Twitter one way doesn't mean that everybody does it the same way. This is the definition of "circumstantial evidence", and circumstantial evidence isn't enough to convict anybody of diddly-squat. The fact that I could provide a plausible counterpoint to just one "irregularity" alone proves why circumstantial evidence is useless - because one of many other just as valid possibilities could have occurred. It doesn't even have to be a more likely alternative, just feasible. Is it possible for somebody who isn't logged in to see those threats being thrown at Anita? Yes. Boom, refuted. Thats all it takes.

Sorry, but: a)you are using circumstantial evidence to clear her out since you're using the same data to come up with a different conclusion and b) circumstantial evidence has almost the same weight as direct and corroborating evidence (en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Circumstantial_evidence#Validity_of_circumstantial_evidence), so we're going back to the starting point since we don't know where that tweet came from yet.

 

[Netrigan]

y'know guys, I think the OP is trying to imply that this sounds exactly like the cases with Anita and Zoe, but since the evil person wasn't a man, the indie-circles, feminist circles, game "journalists", won't report on this because it doesn't fit their narrative. If I'm wrong here, please correct me.

One of the reasons certain cases get coverage is there's a substantial visible trail that lends objective supporting proof to the statements. You can go on YouTube and find a ton of extremely crude comments which make the accusations more substantial. I was just reading a piece on the Anita/Zoe situation and the guy is linking stuff left, right, and center. Not to YouTube commentary of people agreeing with her, links to people making similar attacks. The goal is to create an indisputable case that abuse is happening.

I don't know terribly much about this situation beyond a couple of her videos. The only evidence I see of the phone call is in her account of it, which I don't doubt. But if we're going to blame this on Feminists (and not just random assholes from gaming sites), then let's find some really nasty stuff said about her from Feminist sites and link those. If you want this to be a story, then you want to establish a trend of behavior.

And feminists will be the first to tell you that there's some crazy feminists out there. If there's a pattern of abuse, it shouldn't be too hard to track down. Do feminists spend hours upon hours refuting her videos? Do they rail against on her on their forums? I guarantee you that Zoe and Anita laid an entire package at the feet of the media, not just one incident. Reporters generally don't have a lot of time, so they can't chase down every story. Give them a story, give them the tools to verify it, and you've got a much better chance of them picking up on it.

 

[Saetha]

I started to feel bad for her, then she said "Feminazis." I stopped listening at that point. Anyone who uses that term in a non-joking way loses all sympathy from me.

Wait.

She gets doxxed and harassed, but because she unironically used the word "feminazi," none of that matters.

Really.

Gee, I really love this brand of feminism. The one that will throw women to the wolves for using a word they don't like. On the other hand, I always suspected that most feminists don't really care about the advancement of women, just the advancement of other feminists, so I guess it isn't too surprising.

 

[Skatologist]

I started to feel bad for her, then she said "Feminazis." I stopped listening at that point. Anyone who uses that term in a non-joking way loses all sympathy from me.

Wait.

She gets doxxed and harassed, but because she unironically used the word "feminazi," none of that matters.

Really.

Gee, I really love this brand of feminism. The one that will throw women to the wolves for using a word they don't like. On the other hand, I always suspected that most feminists don't really care about the advancement of women, just the advancement of other feminists, so I guess it isn't too surprising.

See previous response above and humor the idea that maybe the person you are quoting isn't a feminist or even a feminist sympathizer and instead thinks you know, maybe someone comparing a group they disagree with a regime that systematically killed millions in recent memory really isn't a person you should be listening to as serious?

 

[AkaDad]

I started to feel bad for her, then she said "Feminazis." I stopped listening at that point. Anyone who uses that term in a non-joking way loses all sympathy from me.

This statement, to me is what is wrong with the internet. Someone say's something you find offensive/disagree with so they loose all of your sympathy/empathy. Make's 0 sense to me.

Let me explain then. Once you insult me or others, I'm done listening. It's as simple as that.

Whatever story you're telling, whatever point or argument you're trying to make becomes null and void to me once you throw out insults, especially nonsensical, oxymoron insults like Feminazi.

I get that she's pissed off, I would be too, but if you want sympathy, be sympathetic.

 

[ElMinotoro]

I think that for the sake of ethical games journalism we should go dig up as much dirt as we can on this chick. I won't be able to trust mainstream garme journalizm until all of her past mistakes are on display and her dirty laundry aired.

I must know.

 

[Saetha]

See previous response above and humor the idea that maybe the person you are quoting isn't a feminist or even a feminist sympathizer and instead thinks you know, maybe someone comparing a group they disagree with a regime that systematically killed millions in recent memory really isn't a person you should be listening to as serious?

While I admittedly can't draw up a legal written statement from AkaDad confirming that they are, in fact, a feminist, given their previous posts on the matter chances are likely that they are. I'm not walking to some random person and making wild presumptions about them. Humor the idea that I've seen this poster before, know their general habits and ideologies, and can make a reasonable guess based on it all.

Furthermore, humor the idea that denying someone sympathy and support because they used a word you don't like is pretty goddamn low, and if everyone applied that philosophy to their daily lives, we'd live in a pretty sorry society.

In conclusion, humor the idea that I'm not an idiot that needs to be condescended to. Really mull that one over.

 

[Netrigan]

I started to feel bad for her, then she said "Feminazis." I stopped listening at that point. Anyone who uses that term in a non-joking way loses all sympathy from me.

Wait.

She gets doxxed and harassed, but because she unironically used the word "feminazi," none of that matters.

Really.

Gee, I really love this brand of feminism. The one that will throw women to the wolves for using a word they don't like. On the other hand, I always suspected that most feminists don't really care about the advancement of women, just the advancement of other feminists, so I guess it isn't too surprising.

See previous response above and humor the idea that maybe the person you are quoting isn't a feminist or even a feminist sympathizer and instead thinks you know, maybe someone comparing a group they disagree with a regime that systematically killed millions in recent memory really isn't a person you should be listening to as serious?

The Gamernazis seem to think it's okay, so who are we to judge?

I can't find myself being offended by it. It's just the Right Wing Hitler card. Every time they use the term, they officially lose the argument... because if you can't make your case without using self-evident hyperbole, then I pretty much assume you're blowing everything else out of proportion, too.

To be fair, I usually think the same thing when people use the term misogyny. Even when I think the guy is a misogynist, there's really no point in saying it. The guy usually does a good enough job of doing that by opening his mouth. Like the Men's Right activists who don't seem to have much of an agenda of their own, so they spend 99% of their time complaining about the complaints of feminists. Dude, if you want to shine a light on important issues like the growing educational gap negatively affect men, or the gender bias of family court, or the sexual assault of men, or the importance of prostate cancer funding or any number of issues which negatively affect men and don't get nearly enough attention... then I'm on your side. But poke around on their sites and they spend most of their time complaining about feminists... instead of learning from their example and creating the political will to make the lives of people better.

 

[RedDeadFred]

I do think it's kind of funny that there's currently a ten page thread accusing Anita Sarkeesian of faking threats but because this girl agrees with you, it must be true.

I don't doubt that she was on the receiving end of harassment, it's just an odd observation.

Wasn't someone criticising The Escapist for not scrutinising sources because the article related to harassment?

I think there's a thread about that around here somewhere...

I'm also just going to ignore the tinfoil hat stuff at the end of the OP.

The thing that's annoying me about all of this shit is that people seem to have forgotten that it's "innocent until proven guilty." Not the other way around. Prove that Anita faked her threats, or that this girl faked the call before immediately claiming they did it. If people can't do that, it's unlikely that you can have a reasonable conversation with them and they're probably not worth the effort.

The only thing that this past couple of weeks has shown me is that there are even more assholes (from both "sides") on the internet than I had previously realized.

Ugh, at least this will likely be done with in a month or so. At least, I hope so...

 

[carnex]

Let me explain then. Once you insult me or others, I'm done listening. It's as simple as that.

Whatever story you're telling, whatever point or argument you're trying to make becomes null and void to me once you throw out insults, especially nonsensical, oxymoron insults like Feminazi.

I get that she's pissed off, I would be too, but if you want sympathy, be sympathetic.

Put it as you with but Feminazi is another one of those idiotic terms that popped up around feminists and SJW. Only, unlike reverse sexism and reverse racism for example this one actually does not go contrary to definition of the word and actually makes sense.

Feminazi is feminist that has diehard "you are with us or against us" mentality and relentlessly assaults anyone that person sees as enemy often without choosing methods. If I remember correctly, she used term with exactly that meaning in mind.

 

[Skatologist]

While I admittedly can't draw up a legal written statement from AkaDad confirming that they are, in fact, a feminist, given their previous posts on the matter chances are likely that they are. I'm not walking to some random person and making wild presumptions about them. Humor the idea that I've seen this poster before, know their general habits and ideologies, and can make a reasonable guess based on it all.

Furthermore, humor the idea that denying someone sympathy and support because they used a word you don't like is pretty goddamn low, and if everyone applied that philosophy to their daily lives, we'd live in a pretty sorry society.

In conclusion, humor the idea that I'm not an idiot that needs to be condescended to. Really mull that one over.

Wow, you say a certain phrase once and you reply to it in a mocking fashion. Kudos for you beating my unintended condescension.

Okay, he said it himself in the post after mine that he felt personally insulted by such a statement, much like how many on this site feel recently when someone makes mention of the negative connotation of the term gamer.

Neither Aka or i owe anybody any sympathy if we feel they do not deserve it when their character is in question, and while I disagree with what Jayd3fox had said, I'll still say that she didn't deserve what happened to her, and I'm sure Aka has similar feelings. Or not, maybe he did think she deserved it, apparently you know him better than me.

Unfortunately, neither of us know what we can do for her. Check her comment section for the creep who might have done it and harass them? Probably won't do too much good. Contact authorities? I'd assume Jayd had already done so. Ask her to come back and make more content we disagree with? Would anyone do the same for Sarkeesian?

Also, that applied philosophy point, i already have a pretty low view of the world so the majority of people truly acting like that would not surprise me.

 

[AkaDad]

I started to feel bad for her, then she said "Feminazis." I stopped listening at that point. Anyone who uses that term in a non-joking way loses all sympathy from me.

Wait.

She gets doxxed and harassed, but because she unironically used the word "feminazi," none of that matters.

Really.

Gee, I really love this brand of feminism. The one that will throw women to the wolves for using a word they don't like. On the other hand, I always suspected that most feminists don't really care about the advancement of women, just the advancement of other feminists, so I guess it isn't too surprising.

Of course doxxing and harassment matters. I'd be figuratively standing beside her if she didn't use insults.

Yeah, you caught us. Feminism isn't really about the advancement of women. *rolls eyes*

 

[xPixelatedx]

Question. Do you care at all about the suffering this woman had to go through, or is she just a cut out you can use to prove a point?

It's funny because the other side has been saying that since everything began.

Look, this is horrible if it's real, but the irony of you telling me how shit just got real while people still claim Anita Sarkeesian has straight up created the abuse she's experienced because of coincidence and kind of incomprehensible Imgur pics, is not lost on me.

Oh people do believe she gets harassed, no one is denying that. But people had every reason to question this particular attack. There was also more obvious red flags aside from the "incomprehensible Imgur" you mentioned.

 

[Skatologist]

Let me explain then. Once you insult me or others, I'm done listening. It's as simple as that.

Whatever story you're telling, whatever point or argument you're trying to make becomes null and void to me once you throw out insults, especially nonsensical, oxymoron insults like Feminazi.

I get that she's pissed off, I would be too, but if you want sympathy, be sympathetic.

Put it as you with but Feminazi is another one of those idiotic terms that popped up around feminists and SJW. Only, unlike reverse sexism and reverse racism for example this one actually does not go contrary to definition of the word and actually makes sense.

Feminazi is feminist that has diehard "you are with us or against us" mentality and relentlessly assaults anyone that person sees as enemy often without choosing methods. If I remember correctly, she used term with exactly that meaning in mind.

Yes, but the origin of the word "feminazi" was not intended to focus on the authoritarian aspect of the third reich, at least not solely. Rather, people like Rush Limbaugh had originally used it to make comparisons between feminism's support of birth control and abortions and the systematic killings of jews, gypsies, and all the other victims of the Nazi death camps. If you want to call someone authoritarian, call them authoritarian by all means, but you don't need to drag them through the mud and reuse a phrase by a pig headed bigot to get the point across that you don't like their "with us or against us" attitude.

 

[Netrigan]

Let me explain then. Once you insult me or others, I'm done listening. It's as simple as that.

Whatever story you're telling, whatever point or argument you're trying to make becomes null and void to me once you throw out insults, especially nonsensical, oxymoron insults like Feminazi.

I get that she's pissed off, I would be too, but if you want sympathy, be sympathetic.

Put it as you with but Feminazi is another one of those idiotic terms that popped up around feminists and SJW. Only, unlike reverse sexism and reverse racism for example this one actually does not go contrary to definition of the word and actually makes sense.

Feminazi is feminist that has diehard "you are with us or against us" mentality and relentlessly assaults anyone that person sees as enemy often without choosing methods. If I remember correctly, she used term with exactly that meaning in mind.

Rush Limbaugh, who coined the term, originally said it was to describe the small minority of feminists who advocated abortion to the point of encouraging it.

And, no, he never bothered to use his own word correctly. I was a bit of a Rush fan back then, but he never seemed to identify any particular feminist as a feminazi. He just used the word as a general insult.

There is one weird habit of Feminism which always makes me shake my head. It's the reluctance to completely dismiss the obvious whack-jobs. These people are always the fringe of the fringe and the most famous is probably the would-be assassin of Andy Warhol, Valerie Solanas whose S.C.U.M. (The Society for Cutting Up Men) had exactly one member... herself. It was irresponsible hate speech and I've seen quite a few feminists half-defend her, which is largely just them being somewhat sympathetic to the horrible life she led and trying to be understanding of her anger. There's currently another feminist who advocates the reduction of the male population by 90% to achieve true sexual equality... and you have the same kind of thing happening. They don't support her in any real way, but she's not outright condemned for her hate-speech by the few people who pay any attention to her.

But it's not like my old Right Wing allies were much better. When David Duke, the former head of the KKK, joined the Republican Party, they didn't stand by him, but they didn't do the obvious thing in condemning his unending stream of racism. The Rush Limbaughs of the world were curiously silent about the whole Duke situation, despite him making the run-off in the Louisiana governor race.