Gamer "Inflation." Everyone is a "Gamer" now.

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Lilani

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xDarc said:
Lilani said:
Yes, there are different kinds of games for different kinds of people now. And oh my GAWD, what a horrible thing that is, right? More people playing games? More options for people's different interests and desires? How terrible it is to have a broad market.
Horrible? I don't know, is it? The whole point was to acknowledge that it happened, and very quickly post xbox360, and then to wonder how or why.

The original points made by the person I was quoting were that technological capability has become cheaper and original gamers now have gamer children; but the dots don't really connect for those two factors as there was no gradual progression to where we are today. There was a drop off in the 90s into the early 00s and within the past 7-8 years there has been this tremendous drive upwards and a total shift in the perception of gaming in general.

And no one ever talks about it. I'd like to know why.
I don't quite understand what you're talking about. What do you mean by "gradual progression?" What does that mean to you? That the number of people playing games changes only due to the "gamer gauntlet" being passed from gamer parent to child? If that's all it is, then here's your answer--different games are being made now, so different people who weren't playing games before are playing them now.

And I still can't help but feel like you have an ulterior motive in all this. Why are you so concerned about labeling who's new to gaming and who isn't? Yes it's an interesting change, but based on what you said in the past it seems you are very much against the idea of games appealing to a wider audience and being more mainstream.

If you are so interested in this for pure academic reasons, then just do a bit of research. Go to Wikipedia or something, or just look at what was going on in games in the 90s and early 00s and compare that to now (the biggest difference you'll find, I would guess, is the rise of mobile and casual games, as well as online games. But it would be interesting to compare that to what was going on back then). You'll get a lot more reliable information on the history of games looking it up yourself.
 

Mike Fang

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I'm really not sure what to make of this; is this a complaint that video games as a hobby are much more acceptable than previously? I'll admit there -is- some appeal to the idea of being a part of a small, unique group but at the same time, I think it's a lot better that now you overall aren't required to hide your interests if somebody finds out about them like they're something to be ashamed of. It's a sign that in the general public, video games aren't being looked at as an immature, childish form of entertainment anymore (it seems like professional entertainment critics are the last holdouts who refuses to recognize video games' merit as an artistic medium). It also means when people discover your interest in video games, they're not as likely to assign you a degrading, disrespectful stereotype.
 

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Isn't it a good thing that kids interested in the same things you were as a kid aren't being bullied because of it? I'm confused. What's the problem?

Also, I think a lot of people forget that the term gamer referred to tabletop games before it did video games. Those people are still ridiculed for their hobby. I'm one of them, and the more popular it gets means the less ridicule my brethren will have to weather. I find no problem with this.
 

LoneWanderer19

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Lets skip all of this bull, and just say that people who ONLY play CoD or Madden or 2k sports are BRO gamers (or not a gamer at all, if you prefer) Have you played CoD and listen to some of the people on there? Most are complete assholes!

True gamers, and veteran gamers play games out of the...err... "brozone". However. that doesn't mean that if you play CoD you're not a true gamer, as long as you play some real games.

Also, that image of the fat sweaty nerd offended me... Also, I like to think that we're geeks not nerds. Geeks are way cooler. :\
 

Twilight_guy

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Aside from making you feel less special, explain to me how this is a bad thing. Also, the Wii has made far more gamers then the Xbox could every dream of. Stop making the rest of us gamers look bad by treating gaming like it should be a secret society or something.
 

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LoneWanderer19 said:
Also, that image of the fat sweaty nerd offended me... Also, I like to think that we're geeks not nerds. Geeks are way cooler. :\
Yeah well, you know, there's only two kinds of nerds, the handsome yet slightly awkward guy who's either a 40-year virgin or a sex god; and the morbidly obese slightly more vulgar guy...who's either a 40-year virgin or a sex god.

Hollywood knows it all!
 

Owyn_Merrilin

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xDarc said:
I was looking at a sales round-up of all the different gaming platforms on Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games

This is what interests me:

Nintendo Entertainment System
Super Mario Bros. (40.24 million)

Super Nintendo Entertainment System
Super Mario World (20.60 million)

Nintendo 64
Super Mario 64 (11.62 million)

Nintendo GameCube
Super Smash Bros. Melee (7.09 million)

You following so far? That's a drop in sales of over 80% for the flagship title of each system. And then this happens... wtf did this come from?
Wii
Wii Sports (79.60 million)

What does that look like to you? To me it looks like a generation outgrowing mario and then...
Step 1. Technology dawg!
step 2 ???
Step 3 - PROFIT. Lots and lots of profit.
To be fair, the NES, SNES, and Wii were all winners of their generation, the N64 was second out of three in its generation, and the Gamecube was either second or third, distant from the first either way. What's more, Super Mario Bros. was a pack in title for the majority of the system's life, and Wii Sports was a pack in title from day one on the Wii, so comparing those to the other best sellers on the other Nintendo systems isn't really fair. In fact, if anything the number of Wii Sports sales looks low, when you consider how much smaller the gaming market was in the 80's and early 90's than it is today.
 

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tippy2k2 said:
There is no set criteria that determines if you are a movie buff; it's a self-given title.

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My mum owns a Wii but I sincerely doubt she'll call herself a gamer.
Then obviously the problem isn't people calling themselves gamers, it's how do you determine if you can use the word on other people.
 

ElPatron

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Lilani said:
That's just it though--it's not trying to be a title. To everyone else, "gamer" just means somebody who plays games, it doesn't matter which ones
So most human beings living in developed countries of both sexes and all races? That's ought to narrow it down!

Lilani said:
And no, perhaps the OP didn't say those exact words, but when you start proposing that we change the number of sales a game has because you've decided some "gamers" are worth more than others and have caused "inflation" in the gaming community, you have to admit that's a pretty elitist and exclusionary mindset.
Except that the OP did not propose that, he asked an estimation.
 

TrevHead

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I do get where the OP is coming from through, in the past there were two main types of gamers Arcade / Japanese console gamers and PC / home computer gamers, two distinct groups with plenty of AAA games focussed towards them. All this kinda went to shit for a while when MS brought FPS and other PC games to Xbox and handhelds became big in Japan.

That said things are starting to sort themselves out as an increasing number of ppl fracturing away from blockbuster AAAs and looking towards their own niches, plus older genres are becoming more popular. Hell even Valve is starting to approach Japanese PSP devs to get their games onto steam, things are looking good man.

Like I said in my last post there are plenty of super hardcore gamers all in their little groups doing their own thing so I would go and join one of them if you already haven't.
 

T_ConX

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You've got a group of people who think they have the right to label themselves as 'Gamers' when all they play is Angry Birds, Minecraft, CoD, and whatever the music game flavor of the month is. Sorry, but that's like calling yourself a film buff when all you watch are Action and Comedy movies. Just because you can drop the cash needed to buy an XBox360 and a few games doesn't mean you're a gamer.

Being a gamer mean you play EVERYTHING. From Shooters to RPGs, from Grand Strategies to Visual Novels, you play it all. It means owning a collection spanning multiple consoles and generations. It means having more game related music on your MP3 player than non-game related.
 

xDarc

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The consensus seems to be that there are many, many more gamers today than there were 20 years; and not due to more people simply being born, or the wider availability of gadgets either. It's called market penetration, and it's happened. That does not even seem to be debated, instead everyone gets caught up in the title; which is arbitrary and ultimately does not matter.

What's really important is knowing why it happened; and what effect it has on the industry in general.

People need to have a frame of reference, If you don't understand the way things were, you just accept the way things are now as fact. If you don't understand how things got to the way they are now from the way they used to be; how do you really know what's different? How do you compare and find what worked and what didn't? How do you find a balance?

More than anything, we need a frame of reference to find balance.

You've seen what the mass market has been doing to hollywood movies for a long time; gaming is not immune to this.
 

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xDarc said:
The consensus seems to be that there are many, many more gamers today than there were 20 years; and not due to more people simply being born, or the wider availability of gadgets either. It's called market penetration, and it's happened. That does not even seem to be debated, instead everyone gets caught up in the title; which is arbitrary and ultimately does not matter.

What's really important is knowing why it happened; and what effect it has on the industry in general.

People need to have a frame of reference, If you don't understand the way things were, you just accept the way things are now as fact. If you don't understand how things got to the way they are now from the way they used to be; how do you really know what's different? How do you compare and find what worked and what didn't? How do you find a balance?

More than anything, we need a frame of reference to find balance.

You've seen what the mass market has been doing to hollywood movies for a long time; gaming is not immune to this.
While I appreciate all this, I think you fail to understand what I was talking about because I wasn't just trying to impress that gamers are having kids... But... Gaming as it has been evolving is multiple generations in. The "market penetration" you speak of is just a figure, a percentage of the whole and with it signifies the acceptance that video games have gotten into our lives. You downplay technologies affect on culture in terms of video games, but it's been entirely prolific into all aspects of life. The social and overall technological advancements we've reached facilitate the spread of information at the instantaneous speed of human contact. I'm 30 years old and I remember the internet in it's infancy, but even before me there were those that were playing text based bbs dungeon crawlers... Gamers have existed since the inception of games and the public release of the Magnavox Odyssey was 10 years before I was even born, 1972. That means anyone of any age who started playing games on the old Odyssey's was nurturing gaming, and passing on the acceptance down the road. As the gamers grew up, so did the level of development in games and soon we saw the evolution of atari and the development of the x86 which brought further possibilities for gaming.

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I'm not sure what time span you are looking at for the evolution of gamers, but I was a first gen gamer; my father didn't get into it, but I did get a Nintendo at 6 years old, 1988. I had already been playing very basic games on a commodore 64 at that point as well, my grandfather being an accountant had one.

So yes, there is a gradual saturation into first world society, but the proliferation of technology into our lives exacerbated both the acceptance and interest of gaming, both on consoles and computers.

Lastly, the numbers you listed were for nintendo only... If you wanted an accurate look at the scenario, I'd look at the whole picture trying to find the total sales of video game consoles and games. You might also want to consider that economic conditions of the populace will also dictate how much money is spent on entertainment dollars. If you want to try and look at this logically and try to identify a rise or fall in the market you have to use all the numbers, not just one single companies.
 

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I semi agree, here's where I draw the line between gamer and non gamer. You're a gamer if you play games and they're pretty much a major form of entertainment to you and it would be difficult for you to replace it completely with another form of entertainment.
There are plenty of people who I've known who have called themselves gamers and when I try to talk to them about it, it usually devolves to them devoting a large chunk of time into a single game or two and then once they burn out they find some other sort of entertainment to well...keep them entertained. I honestly wouldn't call people like that gamers, they're just having fun with whatever media is in front of them, they probably would've had just as much fun with anything else and it just so happened that a game fell into their hands for a period of time.

It's the same with things like books or movies, just because I enjoyed the hell out of A Song of Fire and Ice and read all the books, doesn't make me an avid book reader, or me enjoying the occasional movie doesn't make me a film buff.

Also I don't know if I really agree on games/gamers really being more socially acceptable, or at least it really hasn't changed that much. At least with the "hardcore" crowd, I still think people treat them the same way. I still think most people see it more as a distraction you spend maybe 30 minutes max on it, any longer and you're a weirdo or have a problem.
 

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T_ConX said:
You've got a group of people who think they have the right to label themselves as 'Gamers' when all they play is Angry Birds, Minecraft, CoD, and whatever the music game flavor of the month is. Sorry, but that's like calling yourself a film buff when all you watch are Action and Comedy movies. Just because you can drop the cash needed to buy an XBox360 and a few games doesn't mean you're a gamer.

Being a gamer mean you play EVERYTHING. From Shooters to RPGs, from Grand Strategies to Visual Novels, you play it all. It means owning a collection spanning multiple consoles and generations. It means having more game related music on your MP3 player than non-game related.
You play EVERYTHING but they play only a handful of titles? I guess they have more discerning tastes than you.

You are a gamer if playing games is near the top of your list of things you enjoy doing. It doesn't matter what you play, for if you actively seek out that thing to play, you are a gamer in my book.

Also, owning game soundtracks doesn't make you a gamer. It makes you a sucker for game tie-ins.