#GamerGate Needs Damage Control Badly (Small OP Update)

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DeathQuaker

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ihavetoregister said:
Why does Anita keep coming up? Maybe because people not familiar with the tag who read biased articles think it's about harassing her. Those are the only people I've seen mentioning her.
I was reading Sarkeesian's Twitterfeed this morning, and people who supported gamergate were replying to her tweets -- which were NOT about Gamergate -- with the hashtag. Go see for yourself. They're in reply to some of the #lovemail and #hatemail posts she made. So there are clearly folks not only familiar with the tag but also promoting its use who clearly seem to think she has something to do with it---otherwise, why would they be replying to her with the tag?

Presuming the assertion that GamerGate is about games journalism and games journalists' relationships with developers, I don't know why Sarkeesian is brought up in relation to #GamerGate either, as she is neither a journalist nor a developer (she is an independent vlogger doing academic feminist criticism of pop culture, and video games have been only the most recent topic she's covered). Bringing her up certainly muddies the waters. However, some GamerGaters themselves are clearly doing just that.

Why do you think they are doing that, do you suppose?
 

Jux

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Kalezian said:
Jux said:
Vibhor said:
Jux said:
and there is evidence she is being harassed.
What exactly is the evidence that she is being harassed? I am genuinely curious for I haven't seen anything.
Do you not consider sending nude photos, doxxing and making threatening phone calls harassment? I'm sorry, but Quinn's sex life is not in the realm of public interest, the very fact that the conversation proliferated as much as it did is in itself harassment.
http://billthemanfromkentucky.tumblr.com/post/97189340808/the-girl-who-cried-wolf-and-the-press-that-sold-it-to

A jounralist contacted the SFPD on the night that Anita claimed she contacted police to report harassment.

[HEADING=1]THE SFPD DID NOT RECIEVE ANY CALLS FROM ANITA SARKEESIAN ON THE NIGHT SHE CLAIMED TO OF CONTACTED THE POLICE DUE TO HARASSMENT.[/HEADING]

So, once again, where if your proof that people harassed her?

tangible evidence.

We are waiting.


While we are waiting, let's put out there that Devin Faraci, the Terrorist supporter, harassed Wizardchan on SUICIDE PREVENTION DAY.

WIZARDCHAN, an image board filled with suicidally depressed people.

This is the SJW. They dont give a shit about you, they just want to feel good about themselves.
Is this a joke? Since when have Quinn and Sarkeesian been the same person?
 

Jux

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ihavetoregister said:
Why does Anita keep coming up? Maybe because people not familiar with the tag who read biased articles think it's about harassing her. Those are the only people I've seen mentioning her.
Seems like there are some pretty uninformed people on the pro gamergate side too, if Kalezian is any indicator.
 

Jux

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Kalezian said:
I'm bringing evidence that Anita's claims she contacted police due to harassment are false.

So far, I have yet to see any proof that Quinn is being harassed.

if Anita is able to lie about calling the police due to harassment, which any normal person would do and not lie about it, then Quinn as well can be lying about being harassed.

So, where is the proof?

where is the evidence?
So, one guy saying he called the SFPD in regards to Sarkeesian contacting the police, and saying he came up with nothing is evidence that a completely different person is also lying about claims of harassment? This is the best you got, really?

By your logic, random dude on tumblr you linked can be lying about having contacted the police about Sarkeesian in the first place. Where's the proof he actually contacted the police?
 

Something Amyss

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Jux said:
So, one guy saying he called the SFPD in regards to Sarkeesian contacting the police, and saying he came up with nothing is evidence that a completely different person is also lying about claims of harassment? This is the best you got, really?
Given it's a conspiracy theory, yes.

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Not only that, but where's the proof that she contacted the SFPD specifically, and not some other police department? Just because she lives in the SFB area, doesn't necessarily mean he contacted the correct department.
You also have a case of the police being uncharacteristically candid and a guy who is ranting against the evil lamestream media. You've got specific wording that they didn't get a call from her home address, which isn't necessarily helpful, but...It's a conspiracy, s obviously the one possible solution is that a real victim would have called from their own home address and the police just candidly chatted with someone over it.

Man, evidence is easy to come by when you work backwards from a predefined conclusion.
 

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This literally explains why 4chan sucks at being a credible villain.
4chan isn't hitler, it's not some card carrying calculating hive mind of a villain.

4chan is a box of kittens shaken in a box and let loose to wobble about.
It's a bunch of marbles spilled on the floor that gets fucking everywhere.
What the people against GamerGate fear is a trashcan full of nondescript garbage.

I made this point a while ago. Gamergate is just a product of misdirection. There's not "manipulation" just a guy with a horn shouting to a bunch of people to pay attention. They kind of pay attention and some just pull out their phones to play angry birds. The others? They can't hear because they was too far in the back and the voice is super muffled so all they hear is garbled english.

Edit: GAMER GATE IS TWITCH PLAYS POKEMON! It makes so much sense.
 

Something Amyss

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Zeconte said:
Zachary Amaranth said:
Man, evidence is easy to come by when you work backwards from a predefined conclusion.
Which pretty aptly describes every single piece of evidence I've been presented with from their side. Hence why I feel so confident dismissing this all as nothing worth getting so upset over, let alone trying to get other people fired over.
I'm inclined to agree. It wouldn't be so baffling if so much of it wasn't made up by people who are ostensibly mad at Anita/Zoe/whoever for lying and misrepresenting things. Not only do two wrongs evidently make a right, but three, four, or five wrongs do too.

It's quite possible Sakreesian or Quinn did something wrong. With all the bullshit being used against them, though, I guess we'll never know.
 

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Jux said:
Do you not consider sending nude photos, doxxing and making threatening phone calls harassment? I'm sorry, but Quinn's sex life is not in the realm of public interest, the very fact that the conversation proliferated as much as it did is in itself harassment.
The nude photos thing has bugged me throughout this whole argument because most people seem to use it in a sentence like "the jealous ex put her nudes up on the internet" when the situation is that Zoe Quinn did a pornographic shoot with stage lighting, a professional photographer and she was paid money afterwards. The industry term is pornographic model or Erotic model. It's like saying "oh they shared Jenny McCarthy nudes."

Anyway It's probably just me putting the wrong tone and intent into other people's words. Also I was not aware that anyone had Zoe Quinn's phone number because the one she linked connected to a (pay?) phone in Hawaii.
 

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Machine Man 1992 said:
Just like Anita!

*BA DUM TISH*

Thank you, I'll be here all week!
Yeah, except for the evidence part. But, as I said before, I guess two wrongs do make a right.
 

Something Amyss

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valium said:
Telling people on twitter that you have received real life threats is evidence enough that the person in question did not contact the authorities.
No, it's not. People disregard police advice all the time. It's absurd to claim otherwise.
 

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I educated myself today on what exactly has been going down and ended up with more questions than answers. Don't get me wrong, I understand the facts of the situation. I understand who said and did what (many of whom are ancillary at best and blatantly irrelevant at worst), and I understand what the point of #GamerGate is. I get it, people want a more accountable gaming press as well as a more ethical and fair Indy development scene.

But what the fuck is all this unrelated bullshit doing here? Why have the lines been drawn between so-called 'SJWs' and 'misogynerd' (or whatever the fuck they're called)? Why is feminism a factor at all? Oh wait, I see, many of the 'misogynerds' are saying that the Indy/Gaming Press Illuminati is using feminism/misogyny as a smokescreen to censor debate. Well if that's the case, then why the fuck are women, some of which have NO connection to any of this (like Anita), getting bombarded with harassment in the form of death and rape threats in relation to this?

You really wonder why people aren't giving #GamerGate the time of day? Really? It doesn't compute? STOP GIVING THEM AMMO! Teach the idiots within your ranks to keep their goddamn mouths shut. Whether you agree with their insane ravings or not, they are associated with your movement and their actions do reflect on your message. The only thing holding me back from supporting this movement is the simple fact that it is so over-saturated with immature, volatile and outright hateful people that I can't bring myself to support it. I cringe every time I see one of your ilk cry "Social Justice Warrior" and that Vivian James (or whatever) mascot is just a sad attempt at the "but I have black friends" defense.

Don't get me wrong, I won't for a second sit here and tell you that I give a damn about any Indy developers and publications getting thrown under the bus if they deserve it. If they are guilty of the crimes they've been accused of, then of course they deserve to be brought down for it; but you know, in an ethical, mature and humane way. Any prying into their personal lives or threats against them are obviously crossing the line, but that should go without saying.

If you want a more accountable gaming press, you're going to have to prove that you deserve it. Some of the more visible names on the #GamerGate side of the fence are clearly concerned about what truly matters, but many more seemingly are not.

Please, tell me if I am off-base, because from where I stand I think I am actually being more fair to #GamerGate than it deserves. As someone who studied journalism, I have always been critical of the gaming press' integrity, so I am naturally inclined to throw in my support; but this case is not so simple. I will not associate myself with a movement that is harassing and threatening people nor one that sees fit to blame everything on feminism of all things.

Define your message and cease this childish 'SJW' finger pointing. Look to the men that inspired the movement's namesake: Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, and follow their example. They were professionals who acted with discretion, and if your movement wants to be taken seriously so do you.

/flameshieldactivated

SMALL UPDATE: At least something good came out of all this - http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/editorials/12223-The-Escapist-Publisher-Issues-Public-Statement-on-Gamergate

In the end, I think most of us really wanted the same thing.

I have to admit I was skeptical at first because I'd never assumed that anyone reporting on games was actually a journalist. Spun back to the 90's I remember reading nerd mags like Nintendo Power and Inquest Gaming and they never once pretended to be journalists. If people would write in asking how to get their jobs, it usually involved some nuance about being a good writer and holding an English degree. Inquest Gamer even told folks point blank that if they wanted to see more articles about X that they should be talking to the folks who make X because those people are the ones paying Inquest to run the articles.


So the prospect of biased reporting from enthusiast pages such as Kotaku and Polygon and IGN wasn't anything new. Them giving games that just barely pass the bar for what even constitutes a game (I'm still not convinced that Gone Home constitutes one because there's no potential to "lose") near-perfect or perfect scores does raise an eyebrow, but doesn't particularly surprise me. Nintendo Power never gave a bad rating to a Nintendo first party title, but then, Nintendo didn't typically make garbage.


There does, however, seem to be a substantiated link between people who are overtly pushing a "SJW" agenda trying to "infiltrate" video gaming as an industry, and while a lot of circumstantial evidence doesn't imply a crime, it does imply that we should be treating such things with suspicion. Kotaku running articles about how I- because we all need to remember that only white, adult men playing video games are bigots here- should be ashamed of my hobby and how much of a bigot I- allegedly- am didn't really phase me because I could assume most people didn't take this shit seriously but when you see this morph into an overt attack on the house that we built into a multi-billion dollar industry, yeah, it makes me angry.



#GamerGate is not misogynist. It is not racist. The idea that an inadament object can posses these traits is silly at best, and the assertion that Vivian James is a, "But I have minority friends!" argument is mildly insulting when you literally have people going on twitter when someone tries to call them sock puppet accounts and physically giving them a photo of themselves with a timestamps. Are there people within the movement who exhibit these traits? Absolutely. The SJW community also has to grapple with the fact that they have members literally threatening to kill people after doxxing them because the person refused to recant on what they said. Mind you, it was a 10 year old who said it was a comedian's job to find the fine line on social norms, and then cross them.


Quite to the contrary, "but I have minority friends" actually speaks to the diversity present in gaming. Three of the strongest women I know I met through online games. One was hands down the best druid healer in my raid guild, the second was a damn commendable hunter, and the third is- by odds- going to be dead somewhere in the next 6 years or so, assuming her liver behaves. Less if it just gives up. They were, and are, all great people and I wouldn't have met any of them if it wasn't for gaming. Or the gay Australian. Or the two Europeans.


People keep saying gamers are a bunch of bigots but I got no idea what they're talking about. If you can't understand that the actions of a minority do not constitute the position of the majority, then you have to assume the absolute worst about all movements. Because you got feminists who claim all sex between a man and a woman constitutes rape because it "reinforces" the woman's role as subservient to the man. Because you have liberals who literally welcome the prospect of the end of the "white" race, while being white themselves. You have people living in the United States who say with a straight face that communism would do the US some good, while citing figures like Joseph Stalin and Chairman Mao as people to emulate.


Every movement has its fair share of crazy people. They do not constitute the movement as a whole, and in a place like the internet you have to doubly assume that if they're not outright trying to sabotage the movement, they're at least talking out their arse.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Machine Man 1992 said:
Just like Anita!

*BA DUM TISH*

Thank you, I'll be here all week!
Yeah, except for the evidence part. But, as I said before, I guess two wrongs do make a right.
And three rights make a left!

BOOM! I'm on fire today!

But really now, I mock people who complain about online harassment for the simple reasons that a) that's what trolls do, deal with it and b) there's this thing called a block button. Or just go outside for a while. And with this #gamergate thing (which I support a hundred percent), ere'body's gettin' doxxed, so it's hardly like I can care about who's more reprehensible when both sides are getting equal lumps.

Edit: I should probably elaborate what I mean about the people who complain about online harassment: I am of course referring to professional victimhood. In my experience, people who cry "I'm being harassed!" are usually looking to gain sympathy from everybody else.

And then I get situations like that ten year old/sixteen year old (damn you rumor mill!)who got doxxed, and I don't know whether to lump them in with the whiners or actually make an exception because doxxing could lead to IRL attacks.