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*sighs heavily*
Ok, this is simple and easy to resolve. Let's look at the facts, shall we?

1)Games have clear, explicit ratings to show who should play them, similar to the movie rating system.

2)These ratings mean that stores will not sell games to people that aren't supposed to play them (presuming that they are following the law.)

3)Kids are still getting their hands on these games.

4)Porn is legal. This may seem an odd fact to include, but hold on, I have a point to make.

Ok, now that the facts are assembled, the presentation:

Q: Why are kids getting their hands on this stuff?
A: Not the retailers anymore, due to fact 2. The only people that can be blamed are the parents. My parents refused to buy me M rated games until I was 16, and I happen to be a perfectly functional member of society. If the parent cannot be bothered to check the labels to see if a game is appropriate or not before buying it for their kids, they clearly need to reorganize their parenting priorities. Also, if a parent buys a game for him/herself, then for god's sake, keep it out of the kid's reach! Simple as that.

Q:Don't these games make my kids more violent?
A:Nobody knows for sure. But if I had to speculate, I'd say it depends on the kid. I watched Looney Tunes as a kid, and some of that stuff is more violent than some M-rated games.

Q:Well, can't we ban them anyways? To make sure they don't fall into the hands of kids?
A:No. First off, that's a Free Speech amendment violation, in several forms. Secondly, I have serious issues with a society that thinks that violent games need to be banned, but purchase and posession of porn is A-ok. Porn is clearly damaging to the minds of children in ways that are instantly obvious, but adults can go around buying as much of it as they want. Why can't games be the same way, especially since we have yet to prove if games really do damage kids? The tests conducted so far have given no clear consensus, so until they do, nobody has any right to attempt to ban games.

EDIT: I forgot to mention this, but a friend of mine at college actually helped his dad play Castle Wolfenstien as a kid, by sitting in his dad's lap and pressing the weapon select keys. He's also very mellow, and completely nonviolent. Perhaps it's the context of how the kid plays the game that defines if it turns out to be good or bad...
 

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Second, YOUR TEN YEAR OLD CHILD WOULDN'T BE PLAYING GAMES INTENDED FOR 18+ AUDIENCES IF YOU WERE A GOOD PARENT!
and what games are intended for 18+ audiences are currently unknown to non-gamers because the ESRB is bullshit. No, not all good parents will not allow a 10 year old to play the games that actually deserve an M rating. They need to know their kid.
That happens in Australia, if you want to buy an MA15+ game (restricted to persons 15 years and over, the highest game rating we have)
Speaking of which, I would also not respect ESRB until no rating is 17 or older, if it weren't for the fact that every rating system in america has an 18 rating. So I'll settle for Ao and M to be made into one and less strict policy. If your 17 year old is going to be violent because of grand theft auto then the problem won't fix with age until maybe they're 25.
 

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Spartan Bannana said:
Fraught said:
TheTygerfire said:
Hamsterlad said:
The biggest examples they showed from games was GTA4 and Saints Row, then they showed man hunt.
Saint's Row is too over the top to be taken seriously at all. I can't wait until our generation is in charge so everyone can calm the fuck down.

Also, most people here are writers, so type better please. It annoys us.
Wait, what do you mean by writers?
Either studying to be journalists, already columnists for newspapers, or fancy themselves amateur novelists or writers.
That's why we (The Escapist) rock so much.

And going back on topic again, I still as a (not-fucktarded) kid/teenager can't understand one thing.
What difference will it make when I play GTA IV now, as a 14-year-old, or in 4 years, as a 18-year-old?
 

Fraught

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fullmetalangel said:
Wait, am I the ONLY person here who's about to call the OP on his Yahtzee quote?

Dude, it doesn't make you instantly funny or cool to be unoriginal.

That aside, I don't think games rated M have anything to do with anything. I'm pretty sure the only kids who do things from video games and movies are kids who would've done something anyways.

I mean, I've seen Hostel, Saw, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Saving Private Ryan, Taegukgi, and loads of violent movies. I've played Resident Evil, Half-Life, and the likes as well. I don't see myself walking around murdering animals (*<3 squeezes my two kittens <3*) or killing people.

Like I said, only psychos do psychotic things, not because of a game or movie.

edit: I might also add that I played Conker's Bad Fur Day when I was around 10 years old, I'm still not a sociopath as far as I know.

edit2: And I hate swearing.
It doesn't make you instantly funny to be an asshole.
Who cares, he decides who he quotes.

And yes, I've seen a lot of horror movies, violent movies, and violent games when I was a little boy, and I continue to do that, and I'm also squeesing my kitten (aww, I only have one^^) and I am not killing anyone.

You're right. Only psychos do psychotic things, and that's why I'm tired of this whole "parents who give their kids 18+ games will turn them into murderers and are bad parents" bullshit is something I'm annoyed at so much.
 

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It's all about the parents. There are websites all over for parents that break down all of the naughty bits of the naughty games; I think video games are by far the easiest thing to monitor. This applies to any form of censorship -- parents should realize that their eight-year-old shouldn't be watching Dexter, but they often don't, so us real live adults get stuck with the alarmist BS of the FCC (in the States, anyway).
 

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I remember when I was eight my mom bought me MGS1. I loved that game,but at the time mom also did not know that the game was rated M and if she did then she had no idea what was meant by the M rating. This same fact is what is true today. Not many parents understand the rating systems and the children do. So if Johnny wants a copy of GTA4 all he needs to do is beg to a naive parent to get a game he would never be able to otherwise. Its just like that kid in high school that everyone gos to because his older brother buys cigarettes. Same idea.
 

Hamsterlad

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Grimm91 said:
I remember when I was eight my mom bought me MGS1. I loved that game,but at the time mom also did not know that the game was rated M and if she did then she had no idea what was meant by the M rating. This same fact is what is true today. Not many parents understand the rating systems and the children do. So if Johnny wants a copy of GTA4 all he needs to do is beg to a naive parent to get a game he would never be able to otherwise. Its just like that kid in high school that everyone gos to because his older brother buys cigarettes. Same idea.
parents should be able to see the M MATURE PLAYERS ONLY on the cover and it is listed on the back of the damn box
 

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Hamsterlad said:
Grimm91 said:
I remember when I was eight my mom bought me MGS1. I loved that game,but at the time mom also did not know that the game was rated M and if she did then she had no idea what was meant by the M rating. This same fact is what is true today. Not many parents understand the rating systems and the children do. So if Johnny wants a copy of GTA4 all he needs to do is beg to a naive parent to get a game he would never be able to otherwise. Its just like that kid in high school that everyone gos to because his older brother buys cigarettes. Same idea.
parents should be able to see the M MATURE PLAYERS ONLY on the cover and it is listed on the back of the damn box
To a parent that knows nothing that means jack shit.
 

TheTygerfire

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Fraught said:
TheTygerfire said:
Hamsterlad said:
The biggest examples they showed from games was GTA4 and Saints Row, then they showed man hunt.
Saint's Row is too over the top to be taken seriously at all. I can't wait until our generation is in charge so everyone can calm the fuck down.

Also, most people here are writers, so type better please. It annoys us.
Wait, what do you mean by writers?
some here write for the site, others write for others sites, some write for fun, some have written at some point and time, but bottom line most of us are writers.
 

Rajin Cajun

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TheTygerfire said:
Fraught said:
TheTygerfire said:
Hamsterlad said:
The biggest examples they showed from games was GTA4 and Saints Row, then they showed man hunt.
Saint's Row is too over the top to be taken seriously at all. I can't wait until our generation is in charge so everyone can calm the fuck down.

Also, most people here are writers, so type better please. It annoys us.
Wait, what do you mean by writers?
some here write for the site, others write for others sites, some write for fun, some have written at some point and time, but bottom line most of us are writers.
Oh Dear Jesus the sweet irony.
 

Hamsterlad

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Grimm91 said:
Hamsterlad said:
Grimm91 said:
I remember when I was eight my mom bought me MGS1. I loved that game,but at the time mom also did not know that the game was rated M and if she did then she had no idea what was meant by the M rating. This same fact is what is true today. Not many parents understand the rating systems and the children do. So if Johnny wants a copy of GTA4 all he needs to do is beg to a naive parent to get a game he would never be able to otherwise. Its just like that kid in high school that everyone gos to because his older brother buys cigarettes. Same idea.
parents should be able to see the M MATURE PLAYERS ONLY on the cover and it is listed on the back of the damn box
To a parent that knows nothing that means jack shit.
thats just ignorance on the parents part if they can not take the time to look at the box and see "sexual situations" "blood & gore" ect.
 

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Hamsterlad said:
Grimm91 said:
Hamsterlad said:
Grimm91 said:
I remember when I was eight my mom bought me MGS1. I loved that game,but at the time mom also did not know that the game was rated M and if she did then she had no idea what was meant by the M rating. This same fact is what is true today. Not many parents understand the rating systems and the children do. So if Johnny wants a copy of GTA4 all he needs to do is beg to a naive parent to get a game he would never be able to otherwise. Its just like that kid in high school that everyone gos to because his older brother buys cigarettes. Same idea.
parents should be able to see the M MATURE PLAYERS ONLY on the cover and it is listed on the back of the damn box
To a parent that knows nothing that means jack shit.
thats just ignorance on the parents part if they can not take the time to look at the box and see "sexual situations" "blood & gore" ect.
People rarely stop to take a look at things, thats even more true in the mayhem that most games stores reside in.
 

Hamsterlad

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Knight Templar said:
Hamsterlad said:
Grimm91 said:
Hamsterlad said:
Grimm91 said:
I remember when I was eight my mom bought me MGS1. I loved that game,but at the time mom also did not know that the game was rated M and if she did then she had no idea what was meant by the M rating. This same fact is what is true today. Not many parents understand the rating systems and the children do. So if Johnny wants a copy of GTA4 all he needs to do is beg to a naive parent to get a game he would never be able to otherwise. Its just like that kid in high school that everyone gos to because his older brother buys cigarettes. Same idea.
parents should be able to see the M MATURE PLAYERS ONLY on the cover and it is listed on the back of the damn box
To a parent that knows nothing that means jack shit.
thats just ignorance on the parents part if they can not take the time to look at the box and see "sexual situations" "blood & gore" ect.
People rarely stop to take a look at things, thats even more true in the mayhem that most games stores reside in.
Another problem is that the parents have no backbone when it comes to there kids. I was in Game Stop with a friend,and this mom with with her kid looking for a game to buy him. The kid sees a game he wants (Mortal Combat DC Universe). First off the mother said no. Then the kid went on a huge tantrum for a good five minits in the store. Then the mom got him the game just to shut him up. If that was my kid he would have been in deep trouble when we got home. Parents need to not live life by threre kids and give proper discipline when they do that crap.
 

TheTygerfire

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Rajin Cajun said:
TheTygerfire said:
Fraught said:
TheTygerfire said:
Hamsterlad said:
The biggest examples they showed from games was GTA4 and Saints Row, then they showed man hunt.
Saint's Row is too over the top to be taken seriously at all. I can't wait until our generation is in charge so everyone can calm the fuck down.

Also, most people here are writers, so type better please. It annoys us.
Wait, what do you mean by writers?
some here write for the site, others write for others sites, some write for fun, some have written at some point and time, but bottom line most of us are writers.
Oh Dear Jesus the sweet irony.
My shift key is broken, thank you...
 

Rajin Cajun

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TheTygerfire said:
Rajin Cajun said:
TheTygerfire said:
Fraught said:
TheTygerfire said:
Hamsterlad said:
The biggest examples they showed from games was GTA4 and Saints Row, then they showed man hunt.
Saint's Row is too over the top to be taken seriously at all. I can't wait until our generation is in charge so everyone can calm the fuck down.

Also, most people here are writers, so type better please. It annoys us.
Wait, what do you mean by writers?
some here write for the site, others write for others sites, some write for fun, some have written at some point and time, but bottom line most of us are writers.
Oh Dear Jesus the sweet irony.
My shift key is broken, thank you...
Pfft a likely story. Next you will say you were intoxicated while getting a lapdance. :p
 

Audemas

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This is very simple. It is the parents fault for not paying attention. We can't blame the media either because the parents should also watch out for what their kids watch. And for parents who say I don't have the time, that is what the rating system is for. If your kid is 12 and the game says Rated M for MATURE, they should say no. It only takes 2 seconds to comprehend that your kid shouldn't be playing this game. Even then it depends on the mental position of the kid, which is something that again the parents should notice or be aware of. Bad parenting=bad kids.
 

VTSK

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If a parent is afraid that the game will affect their kid, don't buy it. It's as simple as that. By the time they're old enough to buy their own M rated games, they won't be stupid enough to be influenced by them. It's really infuriating when newspapers judge the companies instead of the parents. The company may have made the game, but they didn't give it to the damn kid.
 

VTSK

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Rajin Cajun said:
TheTygerfire said:
Rajin Cajun said:
TheTygerfire said:
Fraught said:
TheTygerfire said:
Hamsterlad said:
The biggest examples they showed from games was GTA4 and Saints Row, then they showed man hunt.
Saint's Row is too over the top to be taken seriously at all. I can't wait until our generation is in charge so everyone can calm the fuck down.

Also, most people here are writers, so type better please. It annoys us.
Wait, what do you mean by writers?
some here write for the site, others write for others sites, some write for fun, some have written at some point and time, but bottom line most of us are writers.
Oh Dear Jesus the sweet irony.
My shift key is broken, thank you...
Pfft a likely story. Next you will say you were intoxicated while getting a lapdance. :p
I don't see how a broken shift key comes close to a story about a drunken lap-dance.