Games that are art: What's your candidate?
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I'm pretty sure a lot of works classified as art do not make much of a statement. Dada movement, anti-art, and so on.siNwrath said:
And beauty is kind of subjective - and unless by "beauty" you mean something else that I'm thinking about, there are plenty of art works that are not "beautiful" by what I assume are the norms.
I thought that Metal Gear Solid 2 was brilliant and I totally can see how it is post-modern. It may have seemed a little incoherent, but that was the point.Aardvark Soup said:
Condemned. Art is suppose to make you feel and think. I felt like i was about to piss myself at times during gameplay. I don't liek to thinka bout it.
Fallout 3. The first time you see the Wasteland is one of, no, THE most immersive and beautiful experience I've ever seen in any game. Hell, if you just go for a wander randomly that incredible sense of lifelessness is still there no matter how many times you play it.
Plus, great soundtrack and most of the voice acting is pure quality.
Three Dog seems so real on the radio, and even though he has limited tracks and the talking he does is repeated, like the Wasteland it never gets old.
To me it's just an endless, amazing story, and the way it's presented is, to me, art.
EDIT: Oh, and in relation to what Distorted Stu said, Fallout really makes me think. I know it's a game, but every time I play it I just feel glad and grateful I can go and get some clean nice water from the tap, compared to Fallout's making finding Purified Water seem like a gold hunt.
Plus, great soundtrack and most of the voice acting is pure quality.
Three Dog seems so real on the radio, and even though he has limited tracks and the talking he does is repeated, like the Wasteland it never gets old.
To me it's just an endless, amazing story, and the way it's presented is, to me, art.
EDIT: Oh, and in relation to what Distorted Stu said, Fallout really makes me think. I know it's a game, but every time I play it I just feel glad and grateful I can go and get some clean nice water from the tap, compared to Fallout's making finding Purified Water seem like a gold hunt.
Okami. I liked its art design, animation, and the gameplay itself. The story wasn't that great, but it was okay.
Dragon Age: Origins, for a lot of different reasons refutes many of Ebert's points.
When I get in a snit, I blog...so I put my whole argument here: http://greywardens.com/2010/04/who-decides-what-is-art/
"... a game like Dragon Age: Origins takes that concept of ?winning? and drags it kicking and screaming towards Mr. Ebert?s personal definition of ?art.? "
When I get in a snit, I blog...so I put my whole argument here: http://greywardens.com/2010/04/who-decides-what-is-art/
"... a game like Dragon Age: Origins takes that concept of ?winning? and drags it kicking and screaming towards Mr. Ebert?s personal definition of ?art.? "
I'll say Morrowind. Games that manage to convey serious emotion and freedom without needing fancy graphics really are works of art.
Game soundtracks as well. Why some of these are not compared favorably to the supposedly "real composers" is beyond me.
Game soundtracks as well. Why some of these are not compared favorably to the supposedly "real composers" is beyond me.
I see why people would use their favorite games -- TF2, Starcraft, Shadow of the Collosus -- but the argument that must be put forth must be emmersive, well executed, and have a compelling story. We need to argue that games are a story telling medium. I put forth Portal, Half-Life 2, Natural Selection, and as a last resort: Psychonauts.
Art is more than pretty visual, it has to have a depth and meaning that speaks to each person individually. Art is about expression.
Personally I can't think of any example of my own that hasn't already been said (here's looking at you: Okami, Bioshock, and that one bit in CoD4). I'd also like to mention The Path and Braid, but since I've only ever seen them played (not played them myself) I can't give a fully honest answer.
I honestly thought Brockway's article was really insightful, here's a similar one: http://www.cracked.com/blog/defending-the-habit-10-video-games-as-modern-art
Also, and I feel petty for this, but:
Personally I can't think of any example of my own that hasn't already been said (here's looking at you: Okami, Bioshock, and that one bit in CoD4). I'd also like to mention The Path and Braid, but since I've only ever seen them played (not played them myself) I can't give a fully honest answer.
I honestly thought Brockway's article was really insightful, here's a similar one: http://www.cracked.com/blog/defending-the-habit-10-video-games-as-modern-art
Also, and I feel petty for this, but:
That's not a flaw for the game. That game is flawed in that there's a massive amount of useless backtracking and the fact that there's an audible clunk between the story and gameplay aspects.lollipopz said:
That.Cajt said:
And Okami, it's just so, beautiful..
And maybe the newest Prince of Persia, that's a game I never get tired of.
How about "Not arguing with an aging curmudgeon who will never change his opinion, nor have any effect on Gaming ever." I have better things to argue about. Like Kids today, with their rap music. And Social Security, whats up with that.
