I don't object to emotional manipulation. I don't like it when it's so obvious. I don't like it when they use little kids or cute animals that most people are obviously going to care about. I also don't like it when you're given a choice between two extreme options of either saving her or killing her.Treblaine said:I presume you object to other emotional manipulation by works of fiction? Do you not like any drama or tension in games, books and film? Would it be better if the Little Sisters were replaced with just something like emotionally neutral like a ball of light. yet at the same time it has to have meaning that Little Sisters supposedly lack.
So it has to be meaningful yet without much emotional significance.
As you can see, you can't get away with dissing my favourite game without your logic being challenged, you are contradicting yourself or asking for a game of cold rational significance.
I would have preferred it if either you were asked to care about characters that have a bit more development so you like them because of their personality or their backstory instead of just their appearance, or if the choices you were given concerning the characters weren't so extreme. How about making the Little Sisters look more like mutated monsters and less like little girls so that your attachment to them is more based on their backstory and development rather than physical appearance? How about instead of immediately having to choose between either saving or killing the first Little Sister you meet, you have a choice of either curing her or keeping her that way so they could gather more ADAM for you? How about adding some elements to give more credence to Atlas's assertion that the Little Sisters aren't really humans anymore?
And how did I "diss" your favorite game?
Except the whole point of this topic is about games that people think are overrated. If everyone else thinks that this game is as great as Blade Runner and I don't, then that means I think it's overrated. If every critic gives a game a 10/10 and I think it deserves a 9/10 then that means I think it's overrated.There is A LOT in between Blade Runner and the worst sci-fi. It is't really saying much to say that it's too much to say it's up there with Blade Runner. It's like saying "Well, it's not Citizen Kane".
So you don't judge games based on personal opinion? You have carefully standardized measures and operationalized terms with which to weigh the worthiness of a game objectively? You use the scientific method to judge a game and submit it for peer review?"I didn't do that for my complaints against..."
So far you've hardly even complained, you've just stated and reaffirmed your personal opinion... for all it is worth.
I'm not expecting an essay, 5 or 6 bullet points would do with brief issues. If you can't even do that I'd have to wonder if you have any genuine criticisms to give or if Bioshock and other games simply aren't to your personal tastes. I mean I don't like girly rom-com but they aren't exactly targeted at me, maybe if Fallout 3 and bioshock aren't your think maybe this is like selling NASCAR to a Formula 1 fan
Of course, my complaints are based on personal opinion. I don't like it when a story uses such transparent methods to manipulate me emotionally but I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't mind. After all, movies like "Patch Adams" and "Avatar" have done extremely well in the box office.
The move toward more realism and a more serious(depressing) story in GTA IV created too much of a disconnect with the previous GTA games for me to like it as much as the other games. The "heaviness" of the controls compared to previous games also hurt my enjoyment.
FO3 abandoning the more realistic and logical elements of the franchise in favor of the wackier elements made it much less of a Fallout game to me. Sure it was still fun, but it lacked the substance of previous games.
In the case of GTA IV and FO3, it's not a matter of selling NASCAR to a Formula 1 fan since they're the ones who changed the formula from previous games. It's more like if NASCAR suddenly became Formula 1 for no reason and they expected their former fans to just follow along.