This one. Yes we know the ending was crap. After all you've been in out face about it since day 1. Get the fuck over it already!Exius Xavarus said:Mass Effect 3 - The ending sucked. We heard you the first 10 million times. Get over it, already.
This one. Yes we know the ending was crap. After all you've been in out face about it since day 1. Get the fuck over it already!Exius Xavarus said:Mass Effect 3 - The ending sucked. We heard you the first 10 million times. Get over it, already.
I agree, I love zombies to bits but games do not need to have a zombie mod for everything. It's the kind of marketing decision that turns me off of buying a developer's product.GunsmithKitten said:Even though I did Resident Evil cosplay and consider George Romero's first three "of the Dead" flicks to be my personal Holy Trilogy, I gotta agree. Zombies need to take a break for a generation and let another stock monster fill the void.EHKOS said:Any game about zombies anymore. They weren't that interesting to begin with. I know they're cannon fodder but I'm sick of them. Not just bored, but sick.
Everyone has a different reason for being sick of hearing about certain games. Guess what mine is?porous_shield said:Half-Life being a graphical marvel isn't the reason people still talk about it. With that being said, I'm also sick of Half-Life and the reason being is that the only time I see the game mentioned is it being derided.Exius Xavarus said:Half-Life as a whole - We get it, it was a graphical marvel for its time. Not so much anymore. Shut up, already.
Having never played them might contribute just a liiiittle bit as to why you don't understand why they're such popular franchises.IllumInaTIma said:Basically everything Nintendo related.
I never played any of Zelda, Metroid or Mario games, and I just don't care about them! I don't hate them though. The thing that I don't get is why are those games are such big freaking deal in North America!
The point------------------------->.A-D. said:Going by your Avatar its very hard to NOT see the obvious bias and fanboyism involved, sorry but thats pretty much fact. Since you mentioned Baldur's Gate i figured i'd point out that Black Isle also had a bit of a hand in making those games, as they are credited for working on it, Bioware didnt do that themselves, and in case you forgot, Obsidian is effectively formerly Black Isle.Saviordd1 said:It always turns into a one sided thing is my problemZhukov said:I'm not a big fan of Avellone/Obsidian either, however I think it's hard to argue that Planescape Torment was anything less than pretty damn good in the writing department.Saviordd1 said:Seriously? Your comparison for good story writing is Chris Avellone? Fucking seriously? Obsidian can't write an actually interesting story to save its ass.fi6eka said:but Bio Is never gonna beat Chris Avellone & Co.
KOTOR2 at the very least had some interesting ideas and a couple of cool characters.
I've heard Mask of the Betrayer is good too.
On the other hand, one could argue that Obsidian has essentially been coasting along on the mommentum of past glories for quite a few years now. It's been a long time since they produced anything worthy of note.
And now I'm going to flee before I get involved the forum hatchet fight that this will likely turn into.
Obsidian is allowed to remember the games it made a decade ago but Bioware is only allowed to remember Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2, not the greats like Jade Empire or Baldurs Gate.
So those two Points outta the way, Bioware actually has Problems in the writing department, especially Morality, where Obsidian is much better. So pointing at either side and claiming they are the Saviour or the proverbial doom of RPGs is rather silly. Bioware sucks at everything that is NOT character writing, and even those are very..well formulaic. Look at Baldurs Gate, specifically the second one, now look at dragon age origins. Spiritual Sequel? Hardly, they basicly shoplifted parts of their old success and put it into the new one. The most obvious being the Keep you get in Awakening, if you remember the De Arnise Keep from BG2, the similarities are painfully obvious.
But on the other hand, Obsidian sucks at writing unless it is morality and overall plot. I mean where Bioware do their Black/White thing, Obsidian goes with alot of shades of grey. Even Jade Empire has that problem in Bioware's case, the open palm/closed fist eventually turn into basic good and evil. So both have their weak spots obviously, and their strong points, so its rather silly that it tends to devolve into a fanboy-rage between two camps over which developer is better since both have their faults, dont even get me started on bethesda here.
Which brings me to the actual topic: The Fanboy-Squee/Rage Threads about which Developer is better. That could stop, seen quite alot of Topics going "Who is better?" and its a bit tiresome actually.
Im going to make this real easy for you, read my post again, pay close attention to the last part and let me quote something for you.Saviordd1 said:The point------------------------->.A-D. said:Going by your Avatar its very hard to NOT see the obvious bias and fanboyism involved, sorry but thats pretty much fact. Since you mentioned Baldur's Gate i figured i'd point out that Black Isle also had a bit of a hand in making those games, as they are credited for working on it, Bioware didnt do that themselves, and in case you forgot, Obsidian is effectively formerly Black Isle.Saviordd1 said:It always turns into a one sided thing is my problemZhukov said:I'm not a big fan of Avellone/Obsidian either, however I think it's hard to argue that Planescape Torment was anything less than pretty damn good in the writing department.Saviordd1 said:Seriously? Your comparison for good story writing is Chris Avellone? Fucking seriously? Obsidian can't write an actually interesting story to save its ass.fi6eka said:but Bio Is never gonna beat Chris Avellone & Co.
KOTOR2 at the very least had some interesting ideas and a couple of cool characters.
I've heard Mask of the Betrayer is good too.
On the other hand, one could argue that Obsidian has essentially been coasting along on the mommentum of past glories for quite a few years now. It's been a long time since they produced anything worthy of note.
And now I'm going to flee before I get involved the forum hatchet fight that this will likely turn into.
Obsidian is allowed to remember the games it made a decade ago but Bioware is only allowed to remember Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2, not the greats like Jade Empire or Baldurs Gate.
So those two Points outta the way, Bioware actually has Problems in the writing department, especially Morality, where Obsidian is much better. So pointing at either side and claiming they are the Saviour or the proverbial doom of RPGs is rather silly. Bioware sucks at everything that is NOT character writing, and even those are very..well formulaic. Look at Baldurs Gate, specifically the second one, now look at dragon age origins. Spiritual Sequel? Hardly, they basicly shoplifted parts of their old success and put it into the new one. The most obvious being the Keep you get in Awakening, if you remember the De Arnise Keep from BG2, the similarities are painfully obvious.
But on the other hand, Obsidian sucks at writing unless it is morality and overall plot. I mean where Bioware do their Black/White thing, Obsidian goes with alot of shades of grey. Even Jade Empire has that problem in Bioware's case, the open palm/closed fist eventually turn into basic good and evil. So both have their weak spots obviously, and their strong points, so its rather silly that it tends to devolve into a fanboy-rage between two camps over which developer is better since both have their faults, dont even get me started on bethesda here.
Which brings me to the actual topic: The Fanboy-Squee/Rage Threads about which Developer is better. That could stop, seen quite alot of Topics going "Who is better?" and its a bit tiresome actually.
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I wasn't going on a rabid defense of Bioware, I was going on an anti-Obsidian rant. I just used Bioware as the example because that's who they get compared to the most besides Bethesda. (But no one goes into a Bethesda game for story so it doesn't really count)
Also, liking a character from one of their games =/= fanboy or Biodrone, don't throw accusations when you have a quarter of a picture.
Rewording something doesn't change its definition.A-D. said:Im going to make this real easy for you, read my post again, pay close attention to the last part and let me quote something for you.Saviordd1 said:The point------------------------->.A-D. said:Going by your Avatar its very hard to NOT see the obvious bias and fanboyism involved, sorry but thats pretty much fact. Since you mentioned Baldur's Gate i figured i'd point out that Black Isle also had a bit of a hand in making those games, as they are credited for working on it, Bioware didnt do that themselves, and in case you forgot, Obsidian is effectively formerly Black Isle.Saviordd1 said:It always turns into a one sided thing is my problemZhukov said:I'm not a big fan of Avellone/Obsidian either, however I think it's hard to argue that Planescape Torment was anything less than pretty damn good in the writing department.Saviordd1 said:Seriously? Your comparison for good story writing is Chris Avellone? Fucking seriously? Obsidian can't write an actually interesting story to save its ass.fi6eka said:but Bio Is never gonna beat Chris Avellone & Co.
KOTOR2 at the very least had some interesting ideas and a couple of cool characters.
I've heard Mask of the Betrayer is good too.
On the other hand, one could argue that Obsidian has essentially been coasting along on the mommentum of past glories for quite a few years now. It's been a long time since they produced anything worthy of note.
And now I'm going to flee before I get involved the forum hatchet fight that this will likely turn into.
Obsidian is allowed to remember the games it made a decade ago but Bioware is only allowed to remember Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2, not the greats like Jade Empire or Baldurs Gate.
So those two Points outta the way, Bioware actually has Problems in the writing department, especially Morality, where Obsidian is much better. So pointing at either side and claiming they are the Saviour or the proverbial doom of RPGs is rather silly. Bioware sucks at everything that is NOT character writing, and even those are very..well formulaic. Look at Baldurs Gate, specifically the second one, now look at dragon age origins. Spiritual Sequel? Hardly, they basicly shoplifted parts of their old success and put it into the new one. The most obvious being the Keep you get in Awakening, if you remember the De Arnise Keep from BG2, the similarities are painfully obvious.
But on the other hand, Obsidian sucks at writing unless it is morality and overall plot. I mean where Bioware do their Black/White thing, Obsidian goes with alot of shades of grey. Even Jade Empire has that problem in Bioware's case, the open palm/closed fist eventually turn into basic good and evil. So both have their weak spots obviously, and their strong points, so its rather silly that it tends to devolve into a fanboy-rage between two camps over which developer is better since both have their faults, dont even get me started on bethesda here.
Which brings me to the actual topic: The Fanboy-Squee/Rage Threads about which Developer is better. That could stop, seen quite alot of Topics going "Who is better?" and its a bit tiresome actually.
You----------------------------------------------------------------------->.
I wasn't going on a rabid defense of Bioware, I was going on an anti-Obsidian rant. I just used Bioware as the example because that's who they get compared to the most besides Bethesda. (But no one goes into a Bethesda game for story so it doesn't really count)
Also, liking a character from one of their games =/= fanboy or Biodrone, don't throw accusations when you have a quarter of a picture.
"I was going on a anti-Obsidian rant."
"anti-Obsidian"
You have proven my point for me. I did not call you a fanboy or a biodrone, i pointed out that you are biased and inherently defensive because someone pointed out that indeed Bioware has issues in the writing department and are aside from character-writing rather bad. I also pointed out for the sake of arguement that while Obsidian is not perfect either, they tend to deliver a clearer picture as a whole, as they can write competently in several areas and dont have to make up all their bad parts with their characters.
The point you've proven? The Fandom-pissing Match between who is the better developer.
Having never played them might contribute just a liiiittle bit as to why you don't understand why they're such popular franchises.[/quote]IllumInaTIma said:Basically everything Nintendo related.
I never played any of Zelda, Metroid or Mario games, and I just don't care about them! I don't hate them though. The thing that I don't get is why are those games are such big freaking deal in North America!
Sorry but TELLTALE??? Because of Walking Dead? C'mon at least use a company that doesn't have a truckload of source material to use for their "original" storiesSaviordd1 said:Seriously? Your comparison for good story writing is Chris Avellone? Fucking seriously? Obsidian can't write an actually interesting story to save its ass.fi6eka said:but Bio Is never gonna beat Chris Avellone & Co.
If we're gonna talk engaging stories lets talk Irrational games, or Telltale, or anyone else really.
OT: Fucking Dark Souls and related games.
Yes, we get it, your super hardcore for beating it about 12 seconds faster than everyone else, get over it.
The story is never trying to call you a monster. I know it can be confusing, especially after the white phosphorus bit where your teammate is calling you a monster, but the real point of all those events was to show what it's like to be a soldier. You are suppose to empathise with these soldiers because most of the time, it's not THEIR choice, they're ordered to do their job. The story is really trying to show the horrors that war creates, not call soldiers a monster or to punish the player for doing something they had to do. The whole purpose of those scenes is a representation of what war causes man to do and the degredation of humanity. Yeah the cover system can be infuriating at times, but the story is far from above average, it is very well made and intergrates well with the gameplay.ShadowRatchet92 said:Maybe because it's because I didn't think the game was an underrated classic and thought it was O.K, But I am sick and tired of hearing about Spec Ops: The Line. At best, it was just a competent shooter with an above average story. The combat was O.K, but the cover system was annoying and the weapons sounded weak. Oh, and the story, It was so annoying when ever the game kept having it's moment of saying "YOU'RE A MONSTER! LOOK AT YOU! YOU'RE A FUCKING MONSTER!" when ever I had to make a choice of some sorts that had someone dying, and then went back to make me kill more people. I know people are gonna say "well that's the point," doesn't excuse it for poor execution. Now EVERYONE has to talk about it, and I'm just getting sick of hearing about it and how"amazing it is." Has this ever happened to you? A game that's so talked about, but you didn't enjoy it on the same level of enthusiasm as others? Keep in mind you don't have to think the game is overrated or bad, it can still be a good game.