Gaming Claimed Another Victim, A Father of a 4-Year Old Shot Dead In His Home

[Conza]

Very srs topic, varyingly srs post.

Its not really about video gaming at all though is it? It's more about idiots who leave guns where little children can get at them, he killed himself as far as I can understand it, if he were smarter he'd A. unload the weapon, B. turn the safety on, C. put gun and ammo away in different locations in the house and D. Make those places UNKNOWN AND UNREACHABLE TO A 3 YEAR OLD CHILD. This is darwinism right here.

EDIT: Yes, its a shame someone was killed, but I wouldn't view it as 'murder by the evil video game' but 'suicide by the careless'.

 

[DoPo]

Gaming didn't cause anything.

Leaving a gun where a 4 year old could get his hands on it did.

While blaming gaming is unfair, I can't really blame "leaving a gun around" either, considering he put it down to get undressed. I don't think you'd really expect your kid to snatch it in that two minute time frame and shoot you with it

Well, experience shows us that he should have expected it. And how hard is it to keep the gun out of reach while changing - put it on top of the table or on top of the wardrobe or anywhere that is more than a metre above the ground.

Unless kids shooting their parents is a common thing over there, I'm not sure why he should have expected something like that to happen just because it happens in the US a lot. And yeah, it's not that hard to keep it on a wardrobe, but hindsight is 20-20

It's not because "it happens a lot", it is because "it can happen". Gun training teaches you to be careful with it and not leave it where it may cause harm. It's a simple principle. "Always expect the worst with guns" is sort of the basics of it. Yes, negligence hurts and kills. It's far from the first incident but with more care it can be closer to the last.

Seriously, how hard is it to grasp - I've been brought up with this in mind, as my uncle served in the army, my father (his brother) has been there for a bit. My father hated it when I looked into the barrel of my plastic toy guns and would always always tell me not to do it. Sure, it was just a friggin' plastic toy but the principle was clear. So, what about if you own a real gun? Is it that hard to always be mindful to not injure somebody? Because, leaving it, even for a little while is dangerous. What if it doesn't take you a minute or two to finish whatever you have to do? What if just a minute or two are enough for somebody to get their hands onto the gun? And lo and behold what happens when you are careless.

No, leaving a loaded gun around, presumably with the safety off, or, at the very least, within the reach of someone who can be a danger with a gun, is not a normal thing to do. It's not like he left a towel and due to freak turn of events somebody got injured. That guy left an instrument designed for hurting people.

 

[Vault101]

a four year old? I sont think the kis really had much of a concept of "life/death"

I mean dont you only develop empathy at age 5?

 

[fireaura08]

I'm sorry, why was the gun out in front of the kid loaded, ready, and with the safety off?

 

[dyre]

Gaming didn't cause anything.

Leaving a gun where a 4 year old could get his hands on it did.

While blaming gaming is unfair, I can't really blame "leaving a gun around" either, considering he put it down to get undressed. I don't think you'd really expect your kid to snatch it in that two minute time frame and shoot you with it

Well, experience shows us that he should have expected it. And how hard is it to keep the gun out of reach while changing - put it on top of the table or on top of the wardrobe or anywhere that is more than a metre above the ground.

Unless kids shooting their parents is a common thing over there, I'm not sure why he should have expected something like that to happen just because it happens in the US a lot. And yeah, it's not that hard to keep it on a wardrobe, but hindsight is 20-20

It's not because "it happens a lot", it is because "it can happen". Gun training teaches you to be careful with it and not leave it where it may cause harm. It's a simple principle. "Always expect the worst with guns" is sort of the basics of it. Yes, negligence hurts and kills. It's far from the first incident but with more care it can be closer to the last.

Seriously, how hard is it to grasp - I've been brought up with this in mind, as my uncle served in the army, my father (his brother) has been there for a bit. My father hated it when I looked into the barrel of my plastic toy guns and would always always tell me not to do it. Sure, it was just a friggin' plastic toy but the principle was clear. So, what about if you own a real gun? Is it that hard to always be mindful to not injure somebody? Because, leaving it, even for a little while is dangerous. What if it doesn't take you a minute or two to finish whatever you have to do? What if just a minute or two are enough for somebody to get their hands onto the gun? And lo and behold what happens when you are careless.

No, leaving a loaded gun around, presumably with the safety off, or, at the very least, within the reach of someone who can be a danger with a gun, is not a normal thing to do. It's not like he left a towel and due to freak turn of events somebody got injured. That guy left an instrument designed for hurting people.

You know, I don't think every country in the world has gun safety training. Have you seen how casually people tote guns around in some places?

I'm not saying he wasn't negligent; I'm just saying that a lot of people would easily have been just as negligent if not much worse, so we shouldn't be so quick to point fingers at this guy.

 

[DoPo]

You know, I don't think every country in the world has gun safety training. Have you seen how casually people tote guns around in some places?

I'm not saying he wasn't negligent; I'm just saying that a lot of people would easily have been just as negligent if not much worse, so we shouldn't be so quick to point fingers at this guy.

Well, let's sum it up:

1. the guy was negligent.
2. he shouldn't have been.

OK, maybe he wasn't properly schooled in guns. Perhaps it's my upbringing but I still think it's not hard to guess not to leave a loaded weapon where it has a possibility to go off. For example, where a child may get his hands on it. It seems to me like a really simple thing, really.

 

[Wereduck]

Gaming didn't cause anything.

Leaving a gun where a 4 year old could get his hands on it did.

While blaming gaming is unfair, I can't really blame "leaving a gun around" either, considering he put it down to get undressed. I don't think you'd really expect your kid to snatch it in that two minute time frame and shoot you with it

Incorrect - if anything, Clarion phrases this too moderately. As a man who's lived with a small child I can say with complete confidence that if the "put his gun down while undressing" part of the story is correct the father killed himself through abject stupidity.
When you've got a 4 year old and potentially lethal hazards around you don't "expect" anything, you make damn well certain that your child can't access the dangerous objects and if you fail to do so any injury suffered is ENTIRELY your fault.

 

[ResonanceSD]

Why the hell was the gun so easy to access?

"Firearm controls" are pretty light in Saudi Arabia dude.

 

[ShindoL Shill]

What the fuck.
Why the hell could he just grab the gun?
Why the fuck was it loaded with the safety off?
And why didn't his father teach him not to touch it?
What. The. Fuck.

 

[Goofguy]

This isn't because of gaming. The boy could just as easily have shot his father for not buying him any other toy he may have really wanted. Unfortunately, the wrong inferences will be made regardless.

 

[Stuntcrab]

maybe these games should be banned
they make us all into violent killars

1. Its never the games fault
2. You spelt killer wrong, I just can't take you seriously

Maybe your not being serious.

But its still a shame the father died, Fucking kid.

 

[Stuntcrab]

Double Post, my bad.

 

[Erttheking]

Am I the only one a little freaked out that people are cracking jokes about this?

 

[Flailing Escapist]

Was I retarded as a kid? I was only figuring out how that legos can stack on top of each other when I was 4.

I didn't want to say anything but...


The trick to Legos is using not only the bricks you can see, but also the bricks you can't.

You. Me. Right now!

I'm just saying that they should've come with a tutorial that's easy-to-use for 4 year olds. Come on

 

[Frozen Fox]

Daddy i want gummy bears!
No son
*bang*
/headline reads: Gummy bears claim a life
/facepalm

 

[Altorin]

It's an awful story. Yet how does a kid at four years old know how to use a gun, know what it will do, and even go get the gun?
This is just bad parenting, and letting the kid do what he wants.

Well, I imagine the kid really had no grasp on the implications of what shooting his father with a gun would do.

but other then that, yeah

 

[Valagetti]

I know this is Saudi and its backwards to us westerners. But how does a 4 yr old know how to use a firearm?
Technically speaking, guns, games, didn't kill here, people did, as to most occasions.

That's nonsense. That chance of that kid shooting his father with a gun, without there being a gun is 0,00%, meaning guns did the killing here.

If it was the people, we should have seen toddlers going around killing people on a daily basis. ^_^

Who squeezed the trigger?

 

[superbatranger]

Gaming didn't cause anything.

Leaving a gun where a 4 year old could get his hands on it did.

This. How and why the fuck does a 4yo know how to use a gun like that and get it's hands on it so easily.

And why is a 4yo getting so mad about a Playstation?

I didn't even know video games existed when I was 4.