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Xvito

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In Final Fantasy VIII when...

Headmaster Cid gives you a Magical Lamp with the DEVIL in it!!!

Seriously, what's up with that?

--Xvito, keeping it excellent.
 

Canadamus Prime

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scobie said:
WanderFreak said:
Resident Evil 4 a.k.a. the single most stupid plot ever.
And that's one of the many things that made it awesome.

canadamus_prime said:
Final Fantasy isn't even sci-fi, it's fantasy hence the name Final Fantasy. Logic and fantasy are inherently don't go well together. Trying to mix the two is like putting a Star Wars nerd and a Star Trek nerd in the same room, it's a good effort, but you'll probably end up cleaning blood off the walls.
quack35 said:
I think that's why FANTASY is in the title, it doesn't HAVE to make sense.
Realism and suspension of disbelief aren't the same thing. Just because fiction is fantasy doesn't mean all rules are out the window. In fantasy some things obviously don't work the same way as in the real world, but you still need internal consistency. If something weird happens that isn't covered by the world's rules, it's going to grate no matter the genre.
Yes, this is true. But Final Fantasy, at least the few I've played, are usually pretty good at keeping things constant. Granted I've not played FFXII so I can't really comment on the airships and architecture thing.
I'm reminded of a quote, but I forget who said it. It goes "The only difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make sense."
 

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effilctar said:
When Aerith dies in FF VII. Phoenix Down that *****!
KO =/= Death

gigastrike said:
The entire story of Mass Effect. The whole thing was Saren trying to find the conduit, but all he used the conduit for was the get a bunch of geth onto the citadel so that he could get past security and get into the council tower so that he could turn control of the citadel over to Sovereign. But the only reason why he wasn't able to get past security in the first place was because he attacked Eden Prime in an attempt to find the conduit.

All he would have needed to do was get the geth and Sovereign to attack the citedel (as they did and succeeded at) and, in the confusion, walk to the council tower (which would be lightly defended at best and defended by people who would think that he was their friend) and turn over control to Sovereign. Game over. Reapers invade. Commander Shepard never even gets involved.
Where do they say that the ONLY reason citadel security was in place was because of the attack on Eden Prime?

Also, if the attack on the Citadel happened sooner, Shepard would still have been able to beat Saren because their levels would have been appropriately scaled ;)
 

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Thunderhorse31 said:
Where do they say that the ONLY reason citadel security was in place was because of the attack on Eden Prime?

Also, if the attack on the Citadel happened sooner, Shepard would still have been able to beat Saren because their levels would have been appropriately scaled ;)
I never said that that was the only reason that they were there, but they probably wouldn't attack the most decorated member or a peace-keeping organization that works outside the bounds of the law (and even if they tried, Saren and a couple kroagan bodyguards could hold them off long enough to turn over control to Sovereign)...and Shepard would probably have his own missions.
 

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gigastrike said:
The entire story of Mass Effect. The whole thing was Saren trying to find the conduit, but all he used the conduit for was the get a bunch of geth onto the citadel so that he could get past security and get into the council tower so that he could turn control of the citadel over to Sovereign. But the only reason why he wasn't able to get past security in the first place was because he attacked Eden Prime in an attempt to find the conduit.

All he would have needed to do was get the geth and Sovereign to attack the citedel (as they did and succeeded at) and, in the confusion, walk to the council tower (which would be lightly defended at best and defended by people who would think that he was their friend) and turn over control to Sovereign. Game over. Reapers invade. Commander Shepard never even gets involved.
actualy wasnt Saren trying to delay that a bit to make sure about the effects of the aura around Sovereign... or something, Im pretty sure there was a reason he didnt just go in but I cant remember enough of the dialog atm.... I want to say that Sovereign didnt know why the citidel wasnt working and thus didnt know to go there at the start but I cant remember
 

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Internet Kraken said:
Something I was wondering about in Mass Effect is why the Council believed you when you showed them the audio tape. It's the future, so there's probably technology that would let you change your voice. So I imagine making fake audio recordings wouldn't be to hard.
The same argument could be made for making technology that finds fake/manufactured tapes and voices.
 

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dodo1331 said:
In Fallout 3 before Broken Steel, you couldn't just send Fawkes or another character that was immune to radiation to activate the purifier for you.
When i saw the whole radiation thing coming i thought "aha! i'll cheat!"
Then equipped the radiation suit i was carrying and overdosed on the radiation resistance meds...

...i still died :'(
 

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Any game where as long as you have 1hp you are completly fine and show no sign of injury, but as soon as you lose that last hp limbs start flying every where, same goes for carrying limits, as long as you say a gram under the limit you can run at full speed, but pick up another piece of vendor trash, and oh crap, it's to heavy to run now.
 

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WanderFreak said:
Resident Evil 4 a.k.a. the single most stupid plot ever.

Government: Hey Leon, one of the only survivors of Raccoon City and thus automatically admitted to the Secret Service, we THINK the President's daughter is somewhere in Europe that is Spain but not Spain, go check.
Leon: Okay, do you have any more intel?
Government: Nope.
Leon: ...do I get backup?
Government: Nope.
Leon: Do I at least get good guns?
Government: You get a pistol.
*Later*
Leon: Excuse me sir, I assume you are the owner of this house. I just entered uninvited because AMERICA FUCK YEAH apparently and I want you to tell me immediately if you have seen this girl, or I will shoot you because you are foreign and hence a terrorist.
First Dude Leon Kills: ...que?
Leon: TERRORIST!
*Just then*
Hunnigan: What happened Leon?
Leon: I encountered a hostile local after breaking into his house and assaulting him, I had to neutralize him.
*And then*
Luis: It's a good thing that when they captured you the only thing they took was your jacket.
Leon: ...NOW!
Luis: ...now what?
Leon: When I say now, lean.
Luis: But the guy is trying to axe u--
Leon: HE WILL SWING BETWEEN US FOR NO REASON!
Luis: Americano estupido.
Leon: What was that Terrorist?
Ada: It's a good thing I'm not bothering to help you or anything, even though I need Luis alive. But hey, what do I know, I think a bright red dress and high heels is appropriate attire for combat.
*Even later still*
Leon: Hmm, it would appear that lake is home to a massive man-eating fish thing... oh good, they left their boat running. There certainly are a lot of harpoons in this little boat.
*In the church*
Ashley: You are an American, so I will act hostile towards you!
Leon: Okay, you stay right here then *****.
Hunnigan: Leon.
Leon: Oh fine, I need my extraction chopper.
Hunnigan: The chopper will pick you up after you've passed through a complex series of tunnels, caves, ancient ruins, and an abandoned military base.
Leon: ...why can't it just hover over us and drop a harness?
Hunnigan: What was that Leon? I'm losing your signal.
*But wait, what's this?*
Saddler: Ah Leon, let me tell you our entire plan. You will take the President's daughter back, and she will infect people. And no one will know why! Isn't it brilliant!
Leon: ...I know.
Saddler: Well, you're infected too so there.
*Near the end*
Leon: The hell is this? Is that a God damn castle? How does the government not know about this? Fuck, it can't get more ridiculous than this.
*Just then, at the Giant Statue*
Leon: JESUSFUCKINGCHRISTFUCKINGGIANTSTATUEWHATTHEFUCK?!
*Later, at the MASSIVE MILITARY BASE*
Leon: Oh fuck you.
Oh my God, that made me laugh so much. And I actually like Resident Evil (that is to say, I love the films and want to play all the games). Hence you've made me want that game even more now :)

And OP? Final Fantasy airships in FF XII use magicka, not technology, to run. There's some technology involved, true, but mainly flight is achieved by skystones. A form of magicite. Hence the technology advancement bit does make sense. Plus, take a goooooood look at Archades when you get there. There is a lot of technology around there, believe me.
 

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Worgen said:
gigastrike said:
The entire story of Mass Effect. The whole thing was Saren trying to find the conduit, but all he used the conduit for was the get a bunch of geth onto the citadel so that he could get past security and get into the council tower so that he could turn control of the citadel over to Sovereign. But the only reason why he wasn't able to get past security in the first place was because he attacked Eden Prime in an attempt to find the conduit.

All he would have needed to do was get the geth and Sovereign to attack the citedel (as they did and succeeded at) and, in the confusion, walk to the council tower (which would be lightly defended at best and defended by people who would think that he was their friend) and turn over control to Sovereign. Game over. Reapers invade. Commander Shepard never even gets involved.
actualy wasnt Saren trying to delay that a bit to make sure about the effects of the aura around Sovereign... or something, Im pretty sure there was a reason he didnt just go in but I cant remember enough of the dialog atm.... I want to say that Sovereign didnt know why the citidel wasnt working and thus didnt know to go there at the start but I cant remember
It's like this. Sovereign tried to activate the giant mass relay in the Citadel remotely, BUT the Keepers had evolved so they would ONLY respond to signals coming from WITHIN the Citadel. Now Sovereign couldn't just attack the entire Citadel fleet head on, that would be suicide. Instead he (or rather it) found out the Protheans made the Conduit as a back-door entrance to the Citadel. Now if someone could come in through the Citadel via the back door, and activate the giant mass relay to call the rest of the Reapers through. Now initially Sovereign found out that the Protheans had made this "Conduit" and thus started searching for clues. The Prothean beacons were the key. Problem was the message in these Beacons were made so that only organic creatures could interprate them. That's why he needed Saren.

Now Sovereign couldn't just take control of Saren and send him into the Citadel, into the Council chambers and start to activate the mass relay with Sovereign waiting patiently outside, C-Sec would just kill him. That's why he needed to launch the surprise attack through the Conduit, they were never expecting to have Saren and a shit load of Geth to teleport straight into the Citadel.

Why didn't Sovereign just signal the Reapers to come through? Well, he probably signaled the Reapers to get ready, but he would still have to manually activate the Citadel's mass relay.

Why didn't Saren just go into the Citadel and activate it? Well, then an army of C-sec would come after him and kill him, stop the activation of the mass relay and thwart the attack.
 

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NoMoreSanity said:
In any Final Fantasy with a dead ally. Why can't they just use a Pheonix Down on them?
Maybe when they "die" in a fight they are merely "unconscious"
 

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gta 4 the cops are way too jumpy to chase ya even worse they drive the wrong way on the road and you hit head on ... burnout paradise driving fast and hitting something that stops you ,or that car you would clip ends up a head on crash ... and fallout 3 a head shot from a shotgun to a raider is not fatal or the bad guys having lots of ammo to shoot you but when you kill them and get a half clip , lock pick ammo boxes and med kits is bullshit , can't kill some of the characters but ya die from a little fall ... and in cod mw copters and bombers don't fly that low and bombs would destroy buildings
 

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Glefistus said:
koichan said:
dodo1331 said:
In Fallout 3 before Broken Steel, you couldn't just send Fawkes or another character that was immune to radiation to activate the purifier for you.
When i saw the whole radiation thing coming i thought "aha! i'll cheat!"
Then equipped the radiation suit i was carrying and overdosed on the radiation resistance meds...

...i still died :'(
For that matter, why didn't the gamma radiation pierce the pathetic layer of glass?
I suspect this is the work of super-glass
 

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Kuchinawa212 said:
What ever happens to Kuchinawa?
I never did figure that one out.

and Gordon Freeman taking so many bullets with out a single grunt of pain.
Maybe he actually is mute
 

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Not so much a plothole, but an addressed question:

Persona 3 - What happens to planes in flight during the Dark Hour? What about cars on steep inclines (and without the parking brakes on?)?
 

Canadamus Prime

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eatenbyagrue said:
Not so much a plothole, but an addressed question:

Persona 3 - What happens to planes in flight during the Dark Hour? What about cars on steep inclines (and without the parking brakes on?)?
Or what about time zones? Does the Dark Hour operate on Standard time? and what happens if you're crossing a time zone when the Dark Hour hits, does like half the car go into the dark hour and the other half not for another hour?