Gay Olympics....Wtf!!
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LOOK! I TAKE PEEN UP THE VAG AND YET, AMAZINGLY, I STILL TRY TO BE A KIND, GENTLE, NICE AND DECENT PERSON! SHOCKER!101flyboy said:
Honey, I live in an environment where the issues of society are of consequence to the ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ fringes of society, not just the LGBT ones, and we're not undercut by people with a hard-left stance and marching orders to 'transform' society. As it happens, the knuckle-headed bible-thumpers are our epic enemies, yes, but that doesn't mean the quran-and-axe-wielding 'caring' fathers are any less of a threat, or the fervent frontline fighters promoting veganism or gay lifestyle. In my books, they're all cuntmuffins I could easily do without. They're all out to pee in everybody else's soup, and they all feel entitled and special in one way or another.
I live with people that respect their own religion and lifestyle as well as those of others, who are destined or chose to live life differently. We're all in this together. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Equal rights, no discrimination, s'all good, really. Just don't shove your sexuality up other people's bumholes and expect to get a loving embrace wherever you go. I'm 100% sympathetic to who and what you are, I just don't like your warrior stance. It feels so troglodytic to me. Just sayin'.
PS: What's the Q in your LGBTQ stand for? Queer? Is that a word again? How does it differ from Gay & Lesbian?
It's not like that at all. It really isn't. It's not a war against straight people, and it's not that we are suspicious of all straight people. Considering straight people participate in these events that are being discussed such as the Gay Olympics. But we don't want to have to deal with the drama, the spotlight, the questions, the hate, the lack of understanding, 24/7. We really don't and we deserve me time away from it all.Headdrivehardscrew said:
Well, I guess that means that LGBTQ persons are simply in a better position to get our point across. We're in a position where we're less able to associate within everyday society, less so than others on the fringes. What I do know is that other groups aren't completely institutionally and socially discriminated against quite like LGBTQ citizens are. At the end of the day, we're tired of it all, and we're not giving marching orders, we're making it clear that, hey, this is where we stand, and you either are on our team, you either respect us, or you're not and you don't. That's pretty much where we're at, at this point of the game.
It takes standing up and fighting back to get where you need to in this world.
The thing is that some people are very much entitled to be angry and are very much entitled to fight for themselves and fight for their rights. And that doesn't mean you feel any more special or more equal than others, in fact, the opposite is true. It's about NOT being treated special for who you are, but being treated as equals. And being respected and valued as tax-paying, law-abiding, productive human beings.
Are we? I'm not seeing it. I don't find that we're all in this together. I find people going out of their way to create division. And to be mean. And to create hostility. And not really supporting and accepting people for who they are. We all may live differently, sure, and yes, that should be respected. But if you play with fire and get burned enough times, you're going to stop playing in the fire.
Standing up for who you are and speaking out against discrimination isn't shoving a sexuality in anyone's face. Shoving my sexuality in people's face would be forcing you to watch me fuck a man or kiss a man. Or forcing you to attend a pride parade. None of that is occurring. What is occurring are LGBTQ citizens and our straight allies standing up and making it clear we're done with the bullshit and we're not taking it anymore.
My warrior stance isn't about isolating ourselves from everyone and then dumping on those who aren't part of our pack. We really, really would love everyone to be accepting and respectful and understanding. We would LOVE to be out, open, free and feel completely comfortable in our own skin in everyday society. But we don't, and as long as we don't, we need to seek our different avenues to find our place in society and actually, you know, be able to live without a constant burden on your back.
Questioning/Queer. Queer is the term for those who reject gender binaries and socially-constructed, distinct sexual identities.
This. And this:Quaxar said:
I don't see any discussion value here. OP, maybe you should actually do some research (see above) before you go saying things that one might consider offensive, close minded, or just plain ignorant.Lucem712 said:
Also, I feel like we just had this conversation about something similar. Use the Search Bar, please.
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first thought: "wtf, why are they segregating themselves like that? why no just play in the olympics?"
Well, apparently according to their webstite, they allow straight people to play, so it's not really segregation. Seems like they just want a friendly environment to play in; nothing wrong with that really.
Well, apparently according to their webstite, they allow straight people to play, so it's not really segregation. Seems like they just want a friendly environment to play in; nothing wrong with that really.
It's not about segregation, or excluding straight people. That much is pretty clear.
The point is more about making a sporting competition that explicitly is a place where the non-straight fit in. If you're straight (or in a broader sense, if you fit in to all or nearly all of the categories that your society considers a normal person and you thus are almost never made to feel marginalized or excluded), then you have no concept of what it's like to be perpetually on guard for the next time someone treats you like less of a person just because you don't line up perfectly with what they think a person is.
The Gay Olympics (along with other events explicitly made to welcome the non-straight) make a place where non-straight people can feel like they fit in just fine. One less thing to worry about that takes a weight off their minds so they can just focus on what they are there to do. In the process, it serves as a reminder to the rest of society that they are there and they are people. And maybe it helps to establish them as normal.
And to those who say that gays are already accepted, or at least not hated, and shouldn't go deliberately drawing attantion to themselves like this, I must direct your attention to Uganda. Where the government is seriously considering a bill to put the death penalty on engagin in or promoting homosexual activity.
When there isn't a country in the world where you can suggest that kind of thing without immediately being reviled as a dangerous psychotic, the Gay Olympics will be on its way to success.
And even if we get to a point where being non-straight carries no kind of social stigma at all, the Gay Olympics will still have a palce. Any excuse for a party.
The point is more about making a sporting competition that explicitly is a place where the non-straight fit in. If you're straight (or in a broader sense, if you fit in to all or nearly all of the categories that your society considers a normal person and you thus are almost never made to feel marginalized or excluded), then you have no concept of what it's like to be perpetually on guard for the next time someone treats you like less of a person just because you don't line up perfectly with what they think a person is.
The Gay Olympics (along with other events explicitly made to welcome the non-straight) make a place where non-straight people can feel like they fit in just fine. One less thing to worry about that takes a weight off their minds so they can just focus on what they are there to do. In the process, it serves as a reminder to the rest of society that they are there and they are people. And maybe it helps to establish them as normal.
And to those who say that gays are already accepted, or at least not hated, and shouldn't go deliberately drawing attantion to themselves like this, I must direct your attention to Uganda. Where the government is seriously considering a bill to put the death penalty on engagin in or promoting homosexual activity.
When there isn't a country in the world where you can suggest that kind of thing without immediately being reviled as a dangerous psychotic, the Gay Olympics will be on its way to success.
And even if we get to a point where being non-straight carries no kind of social stigma at all, the Gay Olympics will still have a palce. Any excuse for a party.
The jokes on the first page, while I know aren't meant to offend, are still highlighting the fact gay people aren't taken serious. Our livelihoods still are seen as something to point and laugh at. We're not going to do all of the work, nor are our straight allies. Everyday heterosexuals need to pick up the slack at SOME POINT. It's sort of like at this point, we aren't removing ourselves from society, we're removing bigotry from OUR society.
You're either with us, or you're not with us. Everyone is invited, sexuality, race, religion be damned. Just know the rules and be a team player.
You're either with us, or you're not with us. Everyone is invited, sexuality, race, religion be damned. Just know the rules and be a team player.
I don't really have an on-topic point to make in this thread, but some of these lines you said bothered me. See, I'm sick of seeing people wave their "flags" that they are proud of or identify with. Some people love to wave their nationality, around, others' is their sexuality, their race, or even the consoles they choose. What Headdrivehardscrew was getting at is people need to shut up and stop separating themselves based on their stupid little flags. Several of your counter points refused to do exactly that, and that's why you have still a problem. The longer and louder you keep waving your flag around, the longer it will be before you let yourself become part of us, the human race. The universal acceptance that everyone is going for wont happen by creating a cacophony of various screaming flag-wavers, but by creating a unison of voices saying that we are all people.101flyboy said:
After reading the Gay Games FAQ I can only conclude the gay olympics is for people who would have no chance of winning in the real olympics.
Oh god now I'm sexist and misogynist and scared of women, my god gamers are sexist aren't they. Perhaps we should create a womens olympics so women can feel at home, or a black olympics so black people can feel at home.
What do you do if your dishwasher breaks down, slap her.NightowlM said:
Oh god now I'm sexist and misogynist and scared of women, my god gamers are sexist aren't they. Perhaps we should create a womens olympics so women can feel at home, or a black olympics so black people can feel at home.
I was going to write a comment about how I don't really get this and it seams a bit unnecessary and how everyone on both sides of the argument should probably stop being so hostile, but then I read this comment and the whole thing made a lot more scene. I may not think that this is the best or most positive step towards equality or a better world but I do at lest understand it now.NemotheElvenPanda said:
By the way, thanks NemotheElvenPanda for writing a comment that wasn't aggressive, patronizing, or condescending.
I'd take my hat of to you if I was wearing it and this wasn't the internet and I owned a hat.
I got her point. I knew what she was saying. But that entire mentality simply fails to take into account the fact that gay people ARE NOT allowed to simply be, without problems.Signa said:
I am not a flag waving gay by nature. A battle lines advocate. That's not me, by nature. I would honestly love so, so much to simply be able to exist, normally, comfortably, without my orientation being an issue. The reality is, that it isn't the case. Our orientation, non-hetero orientation, is an issue. Pretending it is not an issue isn't doing anything to solve these problems. Not many gays bring on discrimination or a fight by going out of their way to rub their sexuality in people's face. In fact, most of us do the opposite, if you're non-straight, you more or less keep it closely guarded to all but your closest friends and family. And that's if your closest friends and family accept you. Often times they don't which means you're alone with no-one. All because of how you were born.
The overwhelming majority of non-heterosexual citizens are closeted to some degree. So it's a major insult to be honest, and I'm not saying you nor her are doing this, but it's a major insult to be told I need to stop pushing or flaunting my orientation when it is NOT gay people making it an issue. It is NOT straight allies. It is everyday straight people making an issue of my orientation. Whether it's blatant or more undercover. And speaking out against that and *for* yourself isn't flaunting a sexuality in that case. It's standing up against hate.
That is what is going on, finally, in the world today. We're standing up against the fact we are not allowed to just be. That we are not allowed to simply live in society without being constantly bothered, harassed, threatened, beaten, mocked. We're not. And it's not our fault. So we need to look out for ourselves now. That doesn't mean we don't maintain a place in everyday society. That doesn't mean we make the attempt to fit in, we don't make the attempt to find friends outside of our bubble. We still do. We still will continue to fight to create an inclusive atmosphere in everyday normal society.
But we sure as hell ain't there yet. And it's up to EVERYDAY STRAIGHT PEOPLE to step their games up. If they don't want us to seclude ourselves, OK. Prove to us why we should go out of our way to hang around with you. It's an ultimatum. Do your work and start making things better. We don't have to do all the work and we don't have to constantly deal with the bullshit. We're not running away. You're totally invited if you want to come hang. But we do need our time to decompose and recover and we're entitled to that.
It shouldn't be this way. Society has failed the non-heterosexual, non-cisgendered community. And we're not ready yet to completely forgive.
So...
This pretty much proves my point that some people in the gay community pretty much don't even want to be accepted. I think some of the homosexual crowd has become too accustomed to being the victim, and uses this to differentiate themselves instead of working their way into society.
Martin Luther King would have been disgusted. This is like gay people saying, "We want our own water fountains because we feel like people look at us funny at the straight water fountain." MLK fought for black people to be able to use white water fountains regardless of who looked at them funny.
The reason why the black community is so accepted today is BECAUSE they didn't give a fuck when people treated them differently. They dealt with abuse instead of running and hiding, and that's how you become accepted.
Instead these pitiful members of the gay community (who are way larger in mouth than in number as far as I can tell) seem to be saying, "The world isn't fair and some people don't like us so we're gonna go hide over here until they do."
Anyone read my rant post before?
It's just like the kids in high school who sit alone and don't talk to anyone. They will NEVER be accepted unless they go over to everyone else, fight any oppression, and show everyone that they should be accepted as normal. This is how you FIGHT segregation.
These Gaymer con people and Gay Olympics people aren't fighting... they're just running.
But no, it's totally helping to sit in the corner and say, "All straight people are jerks and don't understand how hard we have it; let's go over here and make our own club."
This is getting stupid, and you people defending this shit make me sick with your ridiculous arguments.
This pretty much proves my point that some people in the gay community pretty much don't even want to be accepted. I think some of the homosexual crowd has become too accustomed to being the victim, and uses this to differentiate themselves instead of working their way into society.
Martin Luther King would have been disgusted. This is like gay people saying, "We want our own water fountains because we feel like people look at us funny at the straight water fountain." MLK fought for black people to be able to use white water fountains regardless of who looked at them funny.
The reason why the black community is so accepted today is BECAUSE they didn't give a fuck when people treated them differently. They dealt with abuse instead of running and hiding, and that's how you become accepted.
Instead these pitiful members of the gay community (who are way larger in mouth than in number as far as I can tell) seem to be saying, "The world isn't fair and some people don't like us so we're gonna go hide over here until they do."
Anyone read my rant post before?
It's just like the kids in high school who sit alone and don't talk to anyone. They will NEVER be accepted unless they go over to everyone else, fight any oppression, and show everyone that they should be accepted as normal. This is how you FIGHT segregation.
These Gaymer con people and Gay Olympics people aren't fighting... they're just running.
But no, it's totally helping to sit in the corner and say, "All straight people are jerks and don't understand how hard we have it; let's go over here and make our own club."
This is getting stupid, and you people defending this shit make me sick with your ridiculous arguments.
Because homosexuality is a religion or a gender.LoneWanderer said:I think this needs to be addressed again.
Well... Hmm... See all I can imagine is the regular olympics but everyone dressed as a flamboyant 16th centuary French Gentleman... Don't know why... Well, I guess because my first thought was the happy olympics where everyone gets a medal and... Well, yeah, just that.
Although tons of lesbian swimmers/tennis players... I'm not not for that...
Although tons of lesbian swimmers/tennis players... I'm not not for that...