Gay Olympics....Wtf!!

[Twilight_guy]

Okay, so I see why people need to have this separation because issues, (It seem completely arbitrary to me, but whatever have your own games if you think it will promote your group and make you more comfortable), but the problem here is that the Olympics is a symbol of international unity and peace. It's the one time we don't threaten to kill each other and compete in a competition together. By forming other versions of the Olympics you are splinting that idea and going against the goal of the Olympics.

 

[Latinidiot]

As long as they can still enter the normal olympics this doesn't change a fuckin thing and is also no problem at all.

 

[kasperbbs]

I think it's another one of those 'look at me, i'm gay!' events, unless the event involves dicks in some way. Either way i don't care.

 

[101flyboy]

So...

This pretty much proves my point that some people in the gay community pretty much don't even want to be accepted. I think some of the homosexual crowd has become too accustomed to being the victim, and uses this to differentiate themselves instead of working their way into society.

Martin Luther King would have been disgusted. This is like gay people saying, "We want our own water fountains because we feel like people look at us funny at the straight water fountain." MLK fought for black people to be able to use white water fountains regardless of who looked at them funny.

The reason why the black community is so accepted today is BECAUSE they didn't give a fuck when people treated them differently. They dealt with abuse instead of running and hiding, and that's how you become accepted.

Instead these pitiful members of the gay community (who are way larger in mouth than in number as far as I can tell) seem to be saying, "The world isn't fair and some people don't like us so we're gonna go hide over here until they do."

Anyone read my rant post before?

It's just like the kids in high school who sit alone and don't talk to anyone. They will NEVER be accepted unless they go over to everyone else, fight any oppression, and show everyone that they should be accepted as normal. This is how you FIGHT segregation.

These Gaymer con people and Gay Olympics people aren't fighting... they're just running.

But no, it's totally helping to sit in the corner and say, "All straight people are jerks and don't understand how hard we have it; let's go over here and make our own club."

This is getting stupid, and you people defending this shit make me sick with your ridiculous arguments.

1. The LGBTQ community ARE victims of a homophobic society. We ARE victims. Let's make that clear. We don't play victim, we are victims and are being victimized for who we are.

2. We want acceptance but we don't NEED acceptance from the ignorant. Everyday straight folk aren't *that* important to us. I honestly don't care what anyone thinks of me outside of my closest friends and those who accept me. If you don't accept me, you're not someone I associate with, I cut you from my life, and that's it. We don't need everyday straight people in our lives. We haven't had it to this point and we know how to fend for ourselves and live our lives and take the punches and keep on ticking.

That's one of the biggest problems LGBTQ citizens and straight allies have with everyday straights. You guys make EVERYTHING about yourselves. Your privilege, your heterosexism, the way you talk down to us. We don't have to take it, and we're not.

3. We ARE fucking fighting. We are fighting everywhere. Do you know Zach Wahls? Do you know John Aravosis? Do you know Gavin Newsome? Do you read the stories of same-sex couples fighting back when being accosted on the streets by homophobes? Do you read the stories of same-sex couples going to their respective marriage registration offices, knowing full and well they cannot marry, and making it a point to take a stand and highlight discrimination? Do you see the people coming out of the closet to speak out for the community?

We are FIGHTING HARD. And we've accomplished MAJOR goals in the past few months. Three states enacted marriage equality on ballot. For the first time ever. DOMA and Prop 8 are headed to SCOTUS likely to be repealed. Companies are coming out against organizations that discriminate against the community and don't send a message of inclusion. Bullying rates in schools, while still way too high, have taken a turn downward against LGBTQ students.

We are fighting for our lives. We are fighting because of the fact lives have been LOST in this fucking war we're in. We are fighting because we want a piece of the proverbial pie, we want equal legal rights, we want to be respected for who we are in society. We want this and we're fighting for it.

But none of us are machines. We're not fucking machines. We're human beings. Not every day is a day to fight. Sometimes, you need a few days to relax. To rest. To be comfortable. And not be forced to suffer in a hostile, intolerant environment.

How is that too much to ask? It doesn't mean we stop fighting. It doesn't mean we aren't fighting or we're running away. It means we need a few days where it's not ALL about getting everyday straight people in line, but where we can take care of OURSELVES.

We deserve that. We deserve a few days. Just a few. That's all we want, that's all we need. A few days away from the hell we have to endure in the everyday world. And people like you won't even allow us that without attacking us and shouting us down. Then you wonder why we don't extend the hand of friendship? You wonder why we're skeptical; why we'd rather NOT be around folk with your mentality?

Get real. It's not all about you, Tom. It's about fucking US. WE are going to take OUR days off from the shit people throw at us and if you don't like that, then do your job to make sure we aren't pushed to this point. Do your job to make sure we feel comfortable in our own skin at any time. Do your own fucking job, and stop blaming us for the shit we didn't create.

 

[101flyboy]

I think it's another one of those 'look at me, i'm gay!' events, unless the event involves dicks in some way. Either way i don't care.

Except for the fact straight people are totally invited and participate in the events.

 

[101flyboy]

I think this needs to be addressed again.

Spoiler

Because homosexuality is a religion or a gender.

No, it's an immutable orientation, and one that should be respected just as much as and treated the same way as religion and gender.

You, of course, don't believe that's the case. Not surprising given you think homosexuality is unnatural.

 

[Mr Dizazta]

Just to play devil's advocate here, what is the point of calling your event "The Gay Games" if you are opening the entry to everyone to participate? I mean it seems like they are trying to segregate themselves by calling it that.

 

[corneth]

Considering that the sports world is homophobic as fuck, I'm not really surprised at this

 

[TomLikesGuitar]

1. The LGBTQ community ARE victims of a homophobic society. We ARE victims. Let's make that clear. We don't play victim, we are victims and are being victimized for who we are.

I know.

Everyone knows this.

I would argue that it's not as bad as some of the LGBTQ community makes it seem, but I have a feeling you'd disagree.

Also, don't pretend that there aren't a HUGE number of homosexuals, especially in the US, that don't see any real victimization for their entire lives aside from on the news. Sure they might get looked at funny sometimes, but who doesn't?

Everyone has their own problems... some WAY bigger than yours.

2. We want acceptance but we don't NEED acceptance from the ignorant.

And yet the ignorant are the ONLY people who don't accept you.

3. We ARE fucking fighting. We are fighting everywhere.

I said that SOME are not fighting. Some of you are running away and acting like problems go away when you DON'T face them.

Get real. It's not all about you, Tom. It's about fucking US. WE are going to take OUR days off from the shit people throw at us and if you don't like that, then do your job to make sure we aren't pushed to this point. Do your job to make sure we feel comfortable in our own skin at any time. Do your own fucking job, and stop blaming us for the shit we didn't create.

This is the problem.

YOU get real. There's WAY bigger problems for homosexuality right now, but some of you will go out of your way to make sure that the whole world knows that there's a GAY version of everything and that the Gay Olympics only exists because we're all assholes.

Look, I personally don't give a FUCK what anyone in the gay community does on it's spare time. I'm just saying that I think that this specific event is making things worse. You can disagree if you want, but don't jump down my throat for speaking my opinion in a thread that specifically asks for my opinion.

People around the world respect Rosa Parks because she was a strong person. She dealt with a shitload of abuse sitting on that bus, but she did it because she wanted the right to be the same as everyone else.

What if, after they let black people sit anywhere on the bus, a black person got up and said, "You're all jerks; I'm gonna start a bus for black people."?

Do you think anyone would respect them?

No. They would be a weak person. When you decide that you'd rather segregate yourself than fight through abuse, you're a weak person, and you've given up the fight.

The real problems... the ones that get masked in all this bullshit about name calling and stupid terminology... are the rights issues.

The rights issues need to be solved.

The Gay Olympics is a huge waste of time and a potential step backwards. It does nothing good for the gay community.

THERE'S ALREADY AN OLYMPICS THAT EVERYONE CAN BE IN.

And honestly, the Olympics are extremely open and there is NO prejudice towards any race, sexuality, or gender. As a matter of fact, the Olympics may be the SINGLE event that brings together the entire world in a beautiful, unbiased, happy competition where everyone can drop their prejudices and have a little bit of fun in this dark, depressing world.

And that's not good enough.

See the problem is... you think it's all about YOU. But it's not.

It's about all of us.

 

[Abomination]

I think this needs to be addressed again.

Spoiler

Because homosexuality is a religion or a gender.

No, it's an immutable orientation, and one that should be respected just as much as and treated the same way as religion and gender.

So we need homosexual bathrooms and homosexual churches?

 

[LordLundar]

*sigh* Wow.

First people have problem with a gay con. Now they have a problem with the Gay Games which are held since 1982. And they post question that can only be regarded as stupid. Why? Read the FAQ, most questions asked here are answered there. Why the need for a seperate Olympics that promotes all sexualities etc.

/golfclap

Escapist...

Pray tell, what is y'all problem with events catering to specific demographics that aren't you? Do you feel so fucking entitled to every event catering only to your tastes?

Welcome to the club of thinking this "community" is an excuse to ostracize. I hit that mark with the Muslim protests of Google thread.

 

[101flyboy]

I think this needs to be addressed again.

Spoiler

Because homosexuality is a religion or a gender.

No, it's an immutable orientation, and one that should be respected just as much as and treated the same way as religion and gender.

So we need homosexual bathrooms and homosexual churches?

There are gay churches, and bathrooms aren't separated due to orientation, but physical sex/gender, which is a concept that has no relation to sexual orientation in such circumstances.

Any other questions?

 

[Abomination]

So we need homosexual bathrooms and homosexual churches?

There are gay churches, and bathrooms aren't separated due to orientation, but physical sex/gender, which is a concept that has no relation to sexual orientation in such circumstances.

Any other questions?

I said homosexual RELIGION and homosexual BATHROOMS. Since we don't need either and we don't have either the comic's comparison is not parallel to the question being asked.

 

[aba1]

but i hope they dont complain afterwards how society continues to "outcast" homosexuals.

Again. This is exactly why they want their own Olympics. They were outcasts from society from the beginning. Certainly, things are slowly changing, but after being dismissed from general society for so long, it's little wonder why they'd want to separate themselves.

What else, really? Should they be grateful because society doesn't openly hate them anymore? Better late than never?

you cant stop anyone and/or force anyone what to think and what not.
we still have people who'd like to call black people, niggers.
we still have people who'd like to call women, worthless spunkholes.
we still have people who'd like to call mexicans and people from south america, bean bags.

your point on the "'how society doesnt opely hate them' is bad" is a bit of melodrama. and yes, it is still better late than never.

just by keeping their mouth shut about the things they think is still a better solution than to openly deflame them in front of, lets say children in public. who then repeat what they see and hear...

they shouldnt be overly grateful(ok i get that, society fucked up a relatively long time ago.), but they also shouldnt absolutely ignore that society is moving towards them, trying to intergate them into the "norm" of society.

nor should the gay comuntity see the endevour to integrate them into the societies definition of "being normal", that serves as some kind of olive branch and to make wrongs of the past somewhat right (these choice of words are going to haunt me..)as "crawling back to apologise" and reason to use that to hold it against society for all "eternity".

like the stuff that went and still is happening in germany, where the latest generation is still getting beaten (figuratively) with the "you are a nazi" stick when they have absolutely nothing to do with the choices a grand grandparent did or didnt do.

what this event actually is causing is some kind of gender/sexuality apartheid.
and it is (to some extend) working against the plan to make everyone in our society feel like an equal member of society.

yes, straight people can participate too. but why actually call it gay olympics? doesnt the title itself separate the straight from the homosexuals? doesnt it already outcast the "straights"?

why not call it the olympics for equality or the amateur olympics or something else, where people can participate without giving a fuck about who you'd like to fuck?

or am i seeing something wrong? do certain sexual preferences turn you into an ubermensch.
i just cant see any reason for it other than its a spoof or hommage to the olympics and they want to have some games for fun. but again, please pick another name dammit.

you get the same backlash when you make an olympic event and call it "the straight olympics" or "the black olympics" or "the asian olympics" or "the olympics of the people who like golden retrievers and diet coke but not sprite or coke zero".

<color=blue>edit: the gay olympics were founded in 1968, a time where this event makes more sense since they actually were deflamed and shunned openly in public.

what pissed me off was that, we have come a very long way from what was in such a short time and we are still moving towards a society where everyone can feel as equals and i thought that these olympics were a fairly new event.

and if that were the case(being a new event), it would be somewhat contraproductive to this endevour to make everyone coequal to each other.

so i apologise, but my point somewhat still stands.

Gaining entry into the "Gay Olympics" is more open than the "Olympics" (I don't really follow the "Olympics" but I guess possibly that they take issue with certain peoples life styles in regards to there bedroom habits.

no, they dont. the olypics doesnt give a fuck what you like in your bedroom.

all they care about is that you play fair and try to give your best and beat records.

sexuality doesnt make you inferior or superior.

Your post was so spot on it took away my need to post myself. Well said!

 

[AdumbroDeus]

I don't really have an on-topic point to make in this thread, but some of these lines you said bothered me. See, I'm sick of seeing people wave their "flags" that they are proud of or identify with. Some people love to wave their nationality, around, others' is their sexuality, their race, or even the consoles they choose. What Headdrivehardscrew was getting at is people need to shut up and stop separating themselves based on their stupid little flags. Several of your counter points refused to do exactly that, and that's why you have still a problem. The longer and louder you keep waving your flag around, the longer it will be before you let yourself become part of us, the human race. The universal acceptance that everyone is going for wont happen by creating a cacophony of various screaming flag-wavers, but by creating a unison of voices saying that we are all people.

That sir is called privilege, people should attempt to socialize with a wide variety of other people, but they should also have setting where they can feel people will intrinsically accept them for who they are. If you're a white straight anglo-saxxon protestant, in america that's considered the default status, if you're part of that group you don't even understand what it's like to not get that sense of belonging from other places.


The point is, it's not separating yourself, groups and things like this are designed to give people a sense of community and support so they're able to function in outside society. To say, "you're not alone, we understand what you're going through".

 

[chozo_hybrid]

Oh, and straight people are allowed to take part, too.

Sweet as, if it lets anyone else in then I'm all for it

 

[aba1]

I don't really have an on-topic point to make in this thread, but some of these lines you said bothered me. See, I'm sick of seeing people wave their "flags" that they are proud of or identify with. Some people love to wave their nationality, around, others' is their sexuality, their race, or even the consoles they choose. What Headdrivehardscrew was getting at is people need to shut up and stop separating themselves based on their stupid little flags. Several of your counter points refused to do exactly that, and that's why you have still a problem. The longer and louder you keep waving your flag around, the longer it will be before you let yourself become part of us, the human race. The universal acceptance that everyone is going for wont happen by creating a cacophony of various screaming flag-wavers, but by creating a unison of voices saying that we are all people.

I have been saying this forever and all I ever get are people getting angry at me. I am extremely happy others see it this way as well so I know I am not going crazy. Though at times I almost get the feeling that people think the other side groups themselves, when they don't for example the gay community (or the people I see talking on their behalf) seem to think everything is for straight people as if straight people are some sorta group or community or organized like minded people or something. You sometimes see this with feminists with the womens rights movements that girls tend to stick together and group themselves based on gender while most guys rarely think much of it and will almost never work together based on mutual gender. Even when it comes to racism, caucasian people don't see themselves as a community or some sort of like minded group it is just people. Even if you feel I am off base with these comments you have to admit it does happen sometimes which is silly.

At the end of the day I am like you I feel we need to stop grouping ourselves over such trivial things and just be people.

 

[Signa]

I don't really have an on-topic point to make in this thread, but some of these lines you said bothered me. See, I'm sick of seeing people wave their "flags" that they are proud of or identify with. Some people love to wave their nationality, around, others' is their sexuality, their race, or even the consoles they choose. What Headdrivehardscrew was getting at is people need to shut up and stop separating themselves based on their stupid little flags. Several of your counter points refused to do exactly that, and that's why you have still a problem. The longer and louder you keep waving your flag around, the longer it will be before you let yourself become part of us, the human race. The universal acceptance that everyone is going for wont happen by creating a cacophony of various screaming flag-wavers, but by creating a unison of voices saying that we are all people.

That sir is called privilege, people should attempt to socialize with a wide variety of other people, but they should also have setting where they can feel people will intrinsically accept them for who they are. If you're a white straight anglo-saxxon protestant, in america that's considered the default status, if you're part of that group you don't even understand what it's like to not get that sense of belonging from other places.


The point is, it's not separating yourself, groups and things like this are designed to give people a sense of community and support so they're able to function in outside society. To say, "you're not alone, we understand what you're going through".

Heh, yeah, I'm privileged and therefore nothing I said could possibly be true. Don't listen to me because I'm full of shit.

 

[Piorn]

Are we locking homosexuals out of sports events now? And they do it to themselves, you say?
I guess Heterophobia is a thing now, too.

Heterophobia? LOL. More like your privilege is showing. It's not all about you. We love our straight allies, but the reality is, everyday society has and continues to fail LGBTQ citizens. It's not our fault for seeking out acceptance and comfort. We shouldn't have to do so, we shouldn't be forced on the fringes, but we are, and it's not our fault whatsoever.

Straight people aren't locked out of this event. It's simply all-inclusive. And truly accepting.

But by creating events that are primarily focused on a certain kind of sexuality, you basically split a community into several.
Making your sexuality something "special" isn't the proper way to fit into a culture; just because you like something different doesn't mean you're special. You should just be part of the community, until people see different sexual orientations as the mundane things that they are.

Bu you know, sometimes I really think I'm just too naive and optimistic.