Gays and Homophobia

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

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Well if you're going to constantly rub peoples face in it then you have to accept that you are going to get some peoples backs up because as a group you can't seem to shut up about it.

TBH.. the constant need for validation (which is what it seems like) is annoying for THAT reason, and if you are disliked then it is because of that need.. not particularly because of what you are.

Be homosexual if that's your bag...but if you're all gonna constantly shout about it, someone (probably me) is gonna tell you to shut up. A lot of people are sick of hearing from you.

There are bigger issues in the world that where you decide to stick your genetalia.

But Aborigines talk about how they are the true owners of the land but don't get rights or facilities that the non-Indigenous Australians get. They also have marches and rallies, yet not a bit of back-lash. Why do many people not have a problem with Aboriginals "rubbing people's faces in who they are" but do for homosexuals?

 

[Andrew Bohan]

Also as a footnote to my other post, I think sexuality is only an issue to those who want it to be one. I disagree with the whole coming out principle because I think it's quite absurd that in this day and age one should be expected to sit your friends/family down and say "Hey, i'm gay/bi" when it's not required if you're straight. Sexuality really is a private thing other than when you're after someone. That's just how it is.

 

[Fumbleumble]

I only get annoyed by minorities when they seem to seek validation all the time..2 trans-sexual/gender threads and now this.

Maybe I should start a thread..

I'm a raging Hetro.. am I allowed to be proud?

To be honest I'm look for people who have strong belief, for or against, so I can understand why there is such conflict over homosexuality

You want an honest answer from a hetrosexual?

I personally don't give a toss about you either way.. as a section of society you've managed to legitimise yourselves, you're accepted.. Get over yourselves... This hasn't been an issue in 20 years.

Disagree, I know for a fact that I wouldn't be able to have some of the friendships I have if I wasn't heterosexual.

I also know for a fact that there are people who openly harrass and physically assault people for their sexuality. It's still an issue dude.

However, I agree that sometimes it's frustrating having your entire day filled with minorities demanding acceptance when you already treat everyone the same regardless of who they are (not including acting like a dick).
There's still people that have a hard life due to their sexuality/religeon/race/gender/even how they were conceived(IVF vs Natural)/for being adopted etc. in first world countries.

You can't claim that sexuality isn't an issue.

OT: Sexuality doesn't offend me. I try not to offend others about such things. I can't wait for Australia to come out of the dark ages and allow gay marriage.

WTF!!

Harrassment, bullying and general violence HAPPENS EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR to someone... if it wasn't homosexuals it would be people with glasses, or a funny hairdo.. jesus christ.. if you're gonna be different in this world shit is going to happen.

Why can't they see this and quit looking for someone to blame, just because they want to be different in a world that stupidly seems to values conformism... NO-ONE has an easy time of it.

*sigh* (btw.. they're very attitude is what pisses some people off too)

EDIT....I'll say this about gay 'marriage'... I don't agree with it.. it's not marriage.. Marriage is between man and woman, husband and wife.. I DON'T have anything against a legal arrangement stating gay's devotion to each other... but QUIT calling it marriage that ours! o)... if they want to do things differently, then their ceremony should be different too.. and I DO feel strongly about that.

 

[Majora Major]

What other consenting adults (of consenting age) decide to do behind close doors is none of my business.

Having said that, homosexuality doesn't make anyone less of a person. Being gay or lesbian doesn't make you any more or less capable to provide for a family and shouldn't make them ineligible to defend a country they love. Someone who falls in love and has a spiritual connection with another human being should be allowed to marry, not told that their love is in some way inferior by denying them this fundamental right.

I have a lot of gay friends and, the sad thing is, I feel more passionate about their rights than most of them do. They've chosen to not care, because they've come to believe that the society they live in doesn't care about them.

 

[MR T3D]

I'm not.
And I used to think gay people were all weird, and as such avoided them.
then, one night, while drinking with some ladies in their dorm, and then backing some brownies because, I met her gay floor-mates. And they were pretty cool guys. Didn't flaunt it much, just like "and this is my boyfriend" didn't come onto me, and we all had friendly chat.

This, combined with other social events at that time, I learned that sure, people may believe/do odd things, but THEY'RE STILL PEOPLE, and when they're not hurting other people, it's all good. So yeah, if you're attracted to the same sex, good for you! I personally am not, but that doesn't mean you're wrong, so long as you also accept me.

the thing is, its a fear of the unknown, which can only be broken by facing it, and its much easier just to join with other people whom hate instead.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

WTF!!

Harrassment, bullying and general violence HAPPENS EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR to someone... if it wasn't homosexuals it would be people with glasses, or a funny hairdo.. jesus christ.. if you're gonna be different in this world shit is going to happen.

Why can't you see this and quit looking for someone to blame, just because you want to be different in a world that stupidly seems to values conformism... NO-ONE has an easy time of it.

*sigh* (btw.. you're very attitude is what pisses some people off too)

While everyone experiences harrassment due to individual quirks. Homosexuals are more concerned with a lack of rights and mass discrimination. No one has been excuted for wearing glasses since Hitler but people can still be killed for being homosexual. It is these issues which concerns the Homosexual Community.

 

[tetron]

I guess I would be a pansexual although I typically prefer women but if a guy is attractive to me well then me and him gotta become friends ^_^ heh heh heh.

It's mostly due to pure satyriasis(what they call male nymphomania apparently). Although funny enough I enjoy foreplay a lot more than sex, which is a problem I have with women because they usually just want to get straight to the old heave-ho.

In a way I would say I'm against gays/lesbians, because they should be bi(Why limit yourselves ?), and I think very lightly of sex. Oh if only it was socially acceptable to just walk up to people and engage in foreplay in public, y'know...with consent of course >.> .

 

[Fumbleumble]

WTF!!

Harrassment, bullying and general violence HAPPENS EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR to someone... if it wasn't homosexuals it would be people with glasses, or a funny hairdo.. jesus christ.. if you're gonna be different in this world shit is going to happen.

Why can't you see this and quit looking for someone to blame, just because you want to be different in a world that stupidly seems to values conformism... NO-ONE has an easy time of it.

*sigh* (btw.. you're very attitude is what pisses some people off too)

While everyone experiences harrassment due to individual quirks. Homosexuals are more concerned with a lack of rights. No one has been excuted for wearing glasses since Hitler but people can still be killed for being homosexual. It is these issues which concerns the Homosexual Community.

WHAT lack of right.. you have them now... what's the issue?

You REALLY want to talk about lack of right????..

Try being a single, hetro white guy...... we ARE fucked.

 

[zehydra]

I'm straight. I don't care about your sexuality. If you're glbt, I'm fine with that. It does kind of annoy me though when you flaunt it around.

 

[Andrew Bohan]

WTF!!

Harrassment, bullying and general violence HAPPENS EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR to someone... if it wasn't homosexuals it would be people with glasses, or a funny hairdo.. jesus christ.. if you're gonna be different in this world shit is going to happen.

Why can't you see this and quit looking for someone to blame, just because you want to be different in a world that stupidly seems to values conformism... NO-ONE has an easy time of it.

*sigh* (btw.. you're very attitude is what pisses some people off too)

While everyone experiences harrassment due to individual quirks. Homosexuals are more concerned with a lack of rights. No one has been excuted for wearing glasses since Hitler but people can still be killed for being homosexual. It is these issues which concerns the Homosexual Community.

WHAT lack of right.. you have them now... what's the issue?

You REALLY want to talk about lack of right????..

Try being a single, hetro white guy...... we ARE fucked.

Now I'm curious. Running for government, easier for the hetero white guy. Getting a job, no more difficult. Getting arrested. Just as easy. Explain to me how it's different. I'm not saying we don't have rights. We do. About the same ones in the UK. But how is it different being the average white male?

 

[kitsunefather]

I look at sexuality the same way I look at religion.

Its a personal thing and as long as you aren't waving it in my face expecting me to hop on board, I don't care.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

WTF!!

Harrassment, bullying and general violence HAPPENS EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR to someone... if it wasn't homosexuals it would be people with glasses, or a funny hairdo.. jesus christ.. if you're gonna be different in this world shit is going to happen.

Why can't you see this and quit looking for someone to blame, just because you want to be different in a world that stupidly seems to values conformism... NO-ONE has an easy time of it.

*sigh* (btw.. you're very attitude is what pisses some people off too)

While everyone experiences harrassment due to individual quirks. Homosexuals are more concerned with a lack of rights. No one has been excuted for wearing glasses since Hitler but people can still be killed for being homosexual. It is these issues which concerns the Homosexual Community.

WHAT lack of right.. you have them now... what's the issue?

You REALLY want to talk about lack of right????..

Try being a single, hetro white guy...... we ARE fucked.

Homosexuals may have rights in some countries but in Australia, same-sex couples can't marry and can only adopt in one state. However, what the Homosexual community finds more concerning is that in many African and Middle-eastern countries they can be excuted by the government for being Gay.

 

[Something Amyss]

WHAT lack of right.. you have them now... what's the issue?

You REALLY want to talk about lack of right????..

Try being a single, hetro white guy...... we ARE fucked.

I hope you're joking. Imaginary persecution of the poor majority.

 

[blankedboy]

In a way I would say I'm against gays/lesbians, because they should be bi(Why limit yourselves ?)

So by your logic EVERYONE should be bisexual, and that's just not going to happen, because sexuality isn't a choice. That's something that everyone (homophobes in particular) needs drilled into their skull.

However, what the Homosexual community finds more concerning is that in many African and Middle-eastern countries they can be excuted by the government for being Gay.

This is another good point. The instant I saw this map of World Homosexuality Laws:

I vowed never to visit most of Africa again. For obvious reasons.
Maroon is the death sentence.
Red is life in prison.
Orange is a major penalty.
Yellow is a minor penalty.
And blues are various stages of marraige legalisation.

Death sentence for homosexuality... that's where the human race has stooped to its lowest point.

 

[Fumbleumble]

WTF!!

Harrassment, bullying and general violence HAPPENS EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR to someone... if it wasn't homosexuals it would be people with glasses, or a funny hairdo.. jesus christ.. if you're gonna be different in this world shit is going to happen.

Why can't you see this and quit looking for someone to blame, just because you want to be different in a world that stupidly seems to values conformism... NO-ONE has an easy time of it.

*sigh* (btw.. you're very attitude is what pisses some people off too)

While everyone experiences harrassment due to individual quirks. Homosexuals are more concerned with a lack of rights. No one has been excuted for wearing glasses since Hitler but people can still be killed for being homosexual. It is these issues which concerns the Homosexual Community.

WHAT lack of right.. you have them now... what's the issue?

You REALLY want to talk about lack of right????..

Try being a single, hetro white guy...... we ARE fucked.

Now I'm curious. Running for government, easier for the hetero white guy. Getting a job, no more difficult. Getting arrested. Just as easy. Explain to me how it's different. I'm not saying we don't have rights. We do. About the same ones in the UK. But how is it different being the average white male?

We don't have group shouting to keep us in the lime light.. we don't have SPECIAL laws made for us to make sure we get put at the top of the pile. (infact as far as getting a job in the uk is concerned it is now LEGAL to positively discriminate in favour of EVERYOTHER GROUP of society.. which equals NEGATIVE discrimination against hetro white male.. look it up, these laws passed '08)..

Jesus christ.. we can't even get accepted as an equally worthy parent..gay couple, give them a baby.. hetro father, give it to the mother.. so don't give me shit about how we're the better off. You ought to get your ACTUAL facts straight instead of trotting out the same old tired bullshit that hasn't been true for longer that you'd be willing to admit.

 

[AvsJoe]

Straight
For

I'm all for freedom of sexuality. You should be able to love whomever you choose so long as it's consensual and both parties are above an arbitrarily-set legal age. I fully agree with Elton John when he said:

Bands today have to learn their craft by putting the hard work in that we did when we were young performers.

...well, that one too, but I meant this one:

I think people should be free to engage in any sexual practices they choose; they should draw the line at goats though.

 

[emeraldrafael]

I"m not gay, but i think i may be slightly bi. I'm serious, i've honestly thought about living iwth a man all my life and aside from the lack of a hole and addition of another rod i think it would he same if not easier then living iwth a girl (no menstrul cycles).

But I dontk now. Anyway, I'm for gay/lesbian lifestyles. Minally cause i'm one of those people that are the live and let live kind and was never super religious. Also, I have a few lesbian friends (one pair invite me to watch them, but only cause I'm the only one that doesnt mind them being openly lesbian), and a few more gay friends (havent invited me to watch, but have hit on me once or twice) and in all honesty, I never saw anything wrong with it. And when people tell me god is against it, I just have a hard time beleive that god is that uptight about stuff like that.

 

[StBishop]

Disagree, I know for a fact that I wouldn't be able to have some of the friendships I have if I wasn't heterosexual.

I also know for a fact that there are people who openly harrass and physically assault people for their sexuality. It's still an issue dude.

However, I agree that sometimes it's frustrating having your entire day filled with minorities demanding acceptance when you already treat everyone the same regardless of who they are (not including acting like a dick).
There's still people that have a hard life due to their sexuality/religeon/race/gender/even how they were conceived(IVF vs Natural)/for being adopted etc. in first world countries.

You can't claim that sexuality isn't an issue.

OT: Sexuality doesn't offend me. I try not to offend others about such things. I can't wait for Australia to come out of the dark ages and allow gay marriage.

WTF!!

Harrassment, bullying and general violence HAPPENS EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR to someone... if it wasn't homosexuals it would be people with glasses, or a funny hairdo.. jesus christ.. if you're gonna be different in this world shit is going to happen.

Why can't they see this and quit looking for someone to blame, just because they want to be different in a world that stupidly seems to values conformism... NO-ONE has an easy time of it.

*sigh* (btw.. they're very attitude is what pisses some people off too)

I understand that bullying happens, and is going to continue happening for all of time. Especially in highschool.

What I'm saying is that people shouldn't be treated differently by anyone, or legislation, for their sexuality, or gender, or race, or the cicumstances of their birth/conception, etc. ad infinitum.

Choices, sure, tease the kid who dresses funny, tease the kid who likes dungeons and dragons, it's unfair but it's less unfair than teasing the kid in the wheelchair because he's got paget's disease in his feet, or the kid with a birthmark covering 2/3 of his face.

I'm just trying to point out that making fun of someone for something they didn't choose is bullshit and that discrimination against homosexuals, while not as bad as it has been, is still and issue (for example, where I live - Australia - homosexual marriage is not legal) and has certainly been an issue over the last 20 years.

I also take issue with:

just because they want to be different in a world that stupidly seems to values conformism

Homosexuality isn't a choice. Sure, choosing to make out with someone of the same sex is a choice but it's a choice that people should be able to make.

I'm not sure what you're referring to at the end of your post by "attitude". If you mean a martyr-like victimised attitude, sure that can be annoying, but some people have genuine reasons to act in that way.

I find it advisable to simply assume the best possible scenario (from your point of view) and that anyone not causeing harm to another is justified in their actions, then go about living your life.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

We don't have group shouting to keep us in the lime light.. we don't have SPECIAL laws made for us to make sure we get put at the top of the pile. (infact as far as getting a job in the uk is concerned it is now LEGAL to positively discriminate in favour of EVERYOTHER GROUP of society.. which equals NEGATIVE discrimination against hetro white male.. look it up, these laws passed '08)..

Jesus christ.. we can't even get accepted as an equally worthy parent.. so don't give me shit about how we're the better off. You ought to get your ACTUAL facts straight instead of trotting out the same old tired bullshit that hasn't been true for longer that you'd be willing to admit.

Please there is no need to be so aggressive, everyone here comes from different backgrounds and we do not all have knowledge about the laws in different nations. That is actually the reason I made this thread, so people can understand each of our opinions and where they have come from. I apologise if I or my thread has insulted or aggrevated you.