Gays and Homophobia

[comet5002]

My problem is not with homosexuals. My problem is with minorities in general who say "Hey, I'm a minority! Treat me special!".

Just because I'm a white heterosexual male, why am I not special at all, yet I'm the one oppressing everyone else because they're all "beneath" me.

If the above makes any sense to any of you, then congratulations. You're smarter than all of America.

No, I'm not racist, or homophobic, or sexist, or WHATEVER. Everyone saying that "gays are people too!" are the biggest hypocrites. If they're people too, and they're to be treated equally, then TREAT THEM EQUALLY. Putting them on a pedestal and baaaawing about how special they are and how oppressed they are is NOT TREATING THEM EQUALLY.

Once we can all walk down the street ignoring differences about each other and realizing that we're all human beings, that's when this will be a truly great society.

 

[Carlan]

My beliefs regarding sex are the same as my beliefs regarding violence:

So long as everyone involved is a consenting adult, it's all good.

I'm far too lazy to argue specifics, but the rampant naivety in this thread is worrying.

 

[Andrew Bohan]

WTF!!

Harrassment, bullying and general violence HAPPENS EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR to someone... if it wasn't homosexuals it would be people with glasses, or a funny hairdo.. jesus christ.. if you're gonna be different in this world shit is going to happen.

Why can't you see this and quit looking for someone to blame, just because you want to be different in a world that stupidly seems to values conformism... NO-ONE has an easy time of it.

*sigh* (btw.. you're very attitude is what pisses some people off too)

While everyone experiences harrassment due to individual quirks. Homosexuals are more concerned with a lack of rights. No one has been excuted for wearing glasses since Hitler but people can still be killed for being homosexual. It is these issues which concerns the Homosexual Community.

WHAT lack of right.. you have them now... what's the issue?

You REALLY want to talk about lack of right????..

Try being a single, hetro white guy...... we ARE fucked.

Now I'm curious. Running for government, easier for the hetero white guy. Getting a job, no more difficult. Getting arrested. Just as easy. Explain to me how it's different. I'm not saying we don't have rights. We do. About the same ones in the UK. But how is it different being the average white male?

We don't have group shouting to keep us in the lime light.. we don't have SPECIAL laws made for us to make sure we get put at the top of the pile. (infact as far as getting a job in the uk is concerned it is now LEGAL to positively discriminate in favour of EVERYOTHER GROUP of society.. which equals NEGATIVE discrimination against hetro white male.. look it up, these laws passed '08)..

Jesus christ.. we can't even get accepted as an equally worthy parent.. so don't give me shit about how we're the better off. You ought to get your ACTUAL facts straight instead of trotting out the same old tired bullshit that hasn't been true for longer that you'd be willing to admit.

I was being perfectly civil. And it's not a law passed to positively discriminate in society to every other group, it's a law requiring that people be treated fairly on their qualifications. Seriously, the only laws/grants I can name that exist to get people into work via positive discrimination involve disabled people. I never once said you were better off, I asked how it was different to being bisexual. I don't want someone shouting to keep me in the limelight because frankly I don't give a shit if people know or not. If they ask, i'll be honest, but that's different. Frankly it's the same old cry from the lower and middle class in the majority. "ALL FOR THEM NONE FOR ME". It's BULLSHIT to assume a company would hire an employee purely on his/her race, religion, sexuality or gender. Honestly. I don't get special treatment and neither do you. Whoop-de-fucking-doo.

Edit: Also, when the fuck was the last time an interviewer or application form asked you for your fucking sexuality. It's not relevant in the workplace so your argument falls to shit there.

 

[blankedboy]

EDIT: Escapist fucked me over and I lost my post.
Long story short, African governments are douchebags.

 

[Orange Monkey]

I'm a gay man and I don't have a problem with anyone

 

[WOPR]

I am for gay rights. Reason: they are people too. Simple as that. A person has a right to be happy. It is nobody's place to say otherwise. What you do behind closed doors is not my business(unless I am also behind them which happens more often than not).

I agree; however it bugs me when the gay guy hits on me...

Then again, I'm the person that up-roared the catholics here during the Prop 8 dispute...

mainly about me making comments around the lines of "Taking a right from a human... didn't you do that in the dark ages?" and others like "You know if you want to take away their right to be married, fine, but at least come up with a reason other then 'my imaginary friend said so!' I mean come on surely you're smarter then th- oh right..."

(for the record no I don't believe in god, and yes when it comes to protecting human rights there is no low I won't stoop to to win what's right!)

-including announcing to everyone that the leader of "no gay marriage" is the same jock-principal that "suspended me for my own safety" for "allowing myself to get beaten up"

sorry I'm starting to rant

On Topic Again: Gay's have just as many rights as straights (or should at least) and yes I am straight but being how inhuman I'm treated I will fight for human rights to the end.

 

[Fumbleumble]

WTF!!

Harrassment, bullying and general violence HAPPENS EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR to someone... if it wasn't homosexuals it would be people with glasses, or a funny hairdo.. jesus christ.. if you're gonna be different in this world shit is going to happen.

Why can't you see this and quit looking for someone to blame, just because you want to be different in a world that stupidly seems to values conformism... NO-ONE has an easy time of it.

*sigh* (btw.. you're very attitude is what pisses some people off too)

While everyone experiences harrassment due to individual quirks. Homosexuals are more concerned with a lack of rights. No one has been excuted for wearing glasses since Hitler but people can still be killed for being homosexual. It is these issues which concerns the Homosexual Community.

WHAT lack of right.. you have them now... what's the issue?

You REALLY want to talk about lack of right????..

Try being a single, hetro white guy...... we ARE fucked.

Now I'm curious. Running for government, easier for the hetero white guy. Getting a job, no more difficult. Getting arrested. Just as easy. Explain to me how it's different. I'm not saying we don't have rights. We do. About the same ones in the UK. But how is it different being the average white male?

We don't have group shouting to keep us in the lime light.. we don't have SPECIAL laws made for us to make sure we get put at the top of the pile. (infact as far as getting a job in the uk is concerned it is now LEGAL to positively discriminate in favour of EVERYOTHER GROUP of society.. which equals NEGATIVE discrimination against hetro white male.. look it up, these laws passed '08)..

Jesus christ.. we can't even get accepted as an equally worthy parent.. so don't give me shit about how we're the better off. You ought to get your ACTUAL facts straight instead of trotting out the same old tired bullshit that hasn't been true for longer that you'd be willing to admit.

I was being perfectly civil. And it's not a law passed to positively discriminate in society to every other group, it's a law requiring that people be treated fairly on their qualifications. Seriously, the only laws/grants I can name that exist to get people into work via positive discrimination involve disabled people. I never once said you were better off, I asked how it was different to being bisexual. I don't want someone shouting to keep me in the limelight because frankly I don't give a shit if people know or not. If they ask, i'll be honest, but that's different. Frankly it's the same old cry from the lower and middle class in the majority. "ALL FOR THEM NONE FOR ME". It's BULLSHIT to assume a company would hire an employee purely on his/her race, religion, sexuality or gender. Honestly. I don't get special treatment and neither do you. Whoop-de-fucking-doo.

Seriously.. that's NOT the definition of the law at all.

You should know what your talking about in this issue.. I certainly do.. and what I stated is quite correct I assure you.

If gays want a TRUELY equal society.. stop shouting about it...cos all a lot of people hear (and yes, I include myself) is.."We're special, listen to us"

Anyway.. if you honestly DON'T know th full scope of your legal situation in relation to others.. then there's no point arguing about it til you've at least found out.

 

[SextusMaximus]

I'm one of the what you do behind closed doors doesn't bother me kind of person.

I agree, everyone has secrets. As long as it's not physically damaging to society (e.g. Obviously, homosexuality isn't damaging) then that's fine by me. Anything which physically harms people in society? That's not okay.

But yeah... Homosexuality / Bisexuality is fine. As long as the person doesn't "show it off" too much, if you relate to what I mean.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

I was being perfectly civil. And it's not a law passed to positively discriminate in society to every other group, it's a law requiring that people be treated fairly on their qualifications. Seriously, the only laws/grants I can name that exist to get people into work via positive discrimination involve disabled people. I never once said you were better off, I asked how it was different to being bisexual. I don't want someone shouting to keep me in the limelight because frankly I don't give a shit if people know or not. If they ask, i'll be honest, but that's different. Frankly it's the same old cry from the lower and middle class in the majority. "ALL FOR THEM NONE FOR ME". It's BULLSHIT to assume a company would hire an employee purely on his/her race, religion, sexuality or gender. Honestly. I don't get special treatment and neither do you. Whoop-de-fucking-doo.

Edit: Also, when the fuck was the last time an interviewer or application form asked you for your fucking sexuality. It's not relevant in the workplace so your argument falls to shit there.

Please let us not make this into to an aggresive, abusing argument. Please keep it as a civil discussion.

 

[OptimisticPessimist]

I'm one of the what you do behind closed doors interests and arouses me kind of person.

Ha, nice.

Anywho, I'm generally a supporter of gay marriage, gay adoption, transgender acceptance, etc. Personally, I could care less what people do behind closed doors, and I don't think anyone should be penalized (hehe, penalized. That's a funny word) for it or exempt from basic rights because of it.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Seriously.. that's NOT the definition of the law at all.

You should know what your talking about in this issue.. I certainly do.. and what I stated is quite correct I assure you.

Please let us not make this into to an aggresive, abusing argument. Please keep it as a civil discussion.

 

[Kimarous]

Looks like I am the first to say this here...

I am NOT for homosexuality. Sure, I have my odd moment of "girl on girl is hot" or whatever, but on the whole, I do not support the homosexual community. Before you go waving the "homophobia" flag on me, neither do I outright oppose homosexuality. A lack of approval does not necessarily mean hatred or fear.

For me, homosexuality = brussel sprouts. I don't like it, I don't need to like it, but neither do I bring harm to those who do like it or attempt to convince them otherwise. Just don't expect me to promote it... and you can definitely count me out of partaking.

 

[Nerdy Seraphim]

Im gay. yup yup! (although females do tend to turn me on sometimes >.>)

 

[Andrew Bohan]

Seriously.. that's NOT the definition of the law at all.

You should know what your talking about in this issue.. I certainly do.. and what I stated is quite correct I assure you.

Nice of you to neglect the edit. Your whole point falls flat on it's sword in it. Last I checked save the army employers don't ask about your sexuality.

 

[StBishop]

WHAT lack of right.. you have them now... what's the issue?

You REALLY want to talk about lack of right????..

Try being a single, hetro white guy...... we ARE fucked.

Ok just putting it out there, I'm a white, christian, straight, male, between the ages of 18-35 and I voted for the person who represents me in the Parliment and comes from an upper middle class family, with no illnesses or disabilities either mental or physical, and is a student.

Anything else taking me out of minortiy groups that I missed? Maybe some people consider being a student part of a minority, I don't.

What I'm trying to say is that I'm right there with you outside of every minority ever.

Yeah, a lot of the time it's annoying to constantly hear people whinging, but it probably sucks alot more to have to constantly whinge to be treated fairly.

And yeah, some times the immigrant kid won an award that I think I deserved more, and maybe he did get it out of pity. Or maybe a job was given to a guy in a minority because the employer was in the same minority and "Brotha's gotta stick together" or whatever.

Who cares man, life isn't harder for us. It's hard in different (and in my opinion less significant) ways.

Deal with it.

 

[X10J]

I wouldn't quite say I'm for gay rights, more like human rights, and we're all human.

 

[WOPR]

My problem is not with homosexuals. My problem is with minorities in general who say "Hey, I'm a minority! Treat me special!".
*snip the rest*

Yeah I agree, for example, our school has a day each year where no one talks- something to do with not saying "gay" because of all the gay people that are bullied...

which ticks me off personally... Yeah we get it, you're gay, you're bullied, well YOU have a whole day dedicated to stopping it; while I'm getting the crap kicked out of me for being autistic and people say "well he's autistic, bullies will be bullies"

which makes me think "isn't this how school shootings start?"

(no I'm not going to do that; I'm not stupid- I'm just wondering if there's another person in my shoes who's less... stable... and that scares me)

 

[WOPR]

I wouldn't quite say I'm for gay rights, more like human rights, and we're all human.

Where's the applaud button?
*looks around*
crap...

oh well, I applaud you for that

Human rights all the way! (I think I said that but at least someone else thinks so yaaaaay)

no offense but as much as I support gay people in their fight for rights, it does drive me up a wall whenever they act high and mighty like they're the ONLY type of people that get bullied...

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Looks like I am the first to say this here...

I am NOT for homosexuality. Sure, I have my odd moment of "girl on girl is hot" or whatever, but on the whole, I do not support the homosexual community. Before you go waving the "homophobia" flag on me, neither do I outright oppose homosexuality. A lack of approval does not necessarily mean hatred or fear.

For me, homosexuality = brussel sprouts. I don't like it, I don't need to like it, but neither do I bring harm to those who do like it or attempt to convince them otherwise. Just don't expect me to promote it... and you can definitely count me out of partaking.

Now I'm not saying you belief is wrong, you are entitled to your belief and I respect your opinions. Although, could you please enlighten me to why you dislike homosexuality