Gene Simmons Declares War on Anonymous

[JohnnyDelRay]

Right, corrupted because he disagrees with these internet thugs.

You educate somebody by not attacking them. Send him mail explaining your view. It probably won't work, but neither will acting like a dick to get rid of some frustration.

This whole thing is just idiotic. People making a childish act out to be some kind of heroic gesture. Our entire species needs to be sterilized and this is living proof of it.

This isn't a war, it's just pointless. These people could do more with actual protests against the RIAA than with these idiotic internet attacks. It doesn't matter anyways, it's all a joke.

Anon is just another internet group of trolls, kids, and wannabe world changers. They don't do much besides publicity stunts and childish attacks on people that disagree with their views. If you really want to make this out to be something more, good for you. I guess we all need our delusions.

This whole species should just take a cyanide pill. Every day I have to listen to idiots quoting fight club while referring to a group of pathetic dorks with nothing better to do than harass aging rock stars, I get a little more violent to this whole pathetic species.
Anon is living proof of our spoiled, childish, internet obsessed culture. I hope the whole thing shuts down, and the internet, and all electronics. Then spoiled little brats like them will be forced to live and (most likely) die quickly in the real world.

Do more with actual protests against the RIAA? You can't be serious in thinking that will accomplish a damn thing. Since when has it ever?

Despite all the raging back and forth on this issue, the world STILL 'knows' that 'piracy is costing the music industry fortunes', and they STILL don't know that artists are getting ripped off, getting their 20 cents for each CD that sells for $30. They also don't realize that copyright law is in fact being manipulated to make the music industries more money, instead of protecting the artists' interests. Gene falls into the same pool as Lars Ulrich, in thinking that 'people will be out of jobs' because of this. Real musicians are out of jobs because pop stars are the only ones that get any sort of funding and airplay!! It's the cheapest business model, plough all money into ONE SINGLE artist rather than 5,000, make 'em godlike in popularity, and reap the cash. And the same sh!t still goes on year after year after year. Want proof? Turn on the radio. It's not even Top 40 anymore, it's Top 10.

People just don't do anything about anything. Sonys DRM debacle? How did they end up paying for that? Some measly sum of cash given to each person who's computer is crippled, plus a non-root-kitted cd? Everyone who deserves a serious takedown gets a clipping round the ear, and keeps on doing whatever they're doing. Apple, Microsoft, Creative, Ubisoft, the list goes on and on. It's about time someone actually did something *other* than useless protests, immature or not.

 

[JohnnyDelRay]

Right, corrupted because he disagrees with these internet thugs.

You educate somebody by not attacking them. Send him mail explaining your view. It probably won't work, but neither will acting like a dick to get rid of some frustration.

This whole thing is just idiotic. People making a childish act out to be some kind of heroic gesture. Our entire species needs to be sterilized and this is living proof of it.

This isn't a war, it's just pointless. These people could do more with actual protests against the RIAA than with these idiotic internet attacks. It doesn't matter anyways, it's all a joke.

Anon is just another internet group of trolls, kids, and wannabe world changers. They don't do much besides publicity stunts and childish attacks on people that disagree with their views. If you really want to make this out to be something more, good for you. I guess we all need our delusions.

This whole species should just take a cyanide pill. Every day I have to listen to idiots quoting fight club while referring to a group of pathetic dorks with nothing better to do than harass aging rock stars, I get a little more violent to this whole pathetic species.
Anon is living proof of our spoiled, childish, internet obsessed culture. I hope the whole thing shuts down, and the internet, and all electronics. Then spoiled little brats like them will be forced to live and (most likely) die quickly in the real world.

Do more with actual protests against the RIAA? You can't be serious in thinking that will accomplish a damn thing. Since when has it ever?

Despite all the raging back and forth on this issue, the world STILL 'knows' that 'piracy is costing the music industry fortunes', and they STILL don't know that artists are getting ripped off, getting their 20 cents for each CD that sells for $30. They also don't realize that copyright law is in fact being manipulated to make the music industries more money, instead of protecting the artists' interests. Gene falls into the same pool as Lars Ulrich, in thinking that 'people will be out of jobs' because of this. Real musicians are out of jobs because pop stars are the only ones that get any sort of funding and airplay!! It's the cheapest business model, plough all money into ONE SINGLE artist rather than 5,000, make 'em godlike in popularity, and reap the cash. And the same sh!t still goes on year after year after year. Want proof? Turn on the radio. It's not even Top 40 anymore, it's Top 10.

People just don't do anything about anything. Sonys DRM debacle? How did they end up paying for that? Some measly sum of cash given to each person who's computer is crippled, plus a non-root-kitted cd? Everyone who deserves a serious takedown gets a clipping round the ear, and keeps on doing whatever they're doing. Apple, Microsoft, Creative, Ubisoft, the list goes on and on. It's about time someone actually did something *other* than useless protests, immature or not.

Wow, yes since when have protests or doing something in the REAL WORLD ever changed anything? Only web based attacks change the world.
Gawd just look at history, nothing ever happened before the internet.

Civil rights only happened because white supremacists had their blogs shut down by hackers, everyone knows that.

I can't believe you buy that crap. You've been trained, you think you can't change the world by actually doing something in the real world. Sad.


The reason most people don't KNOW these things is because it's only discussed fully online. If people organized real protests, media coverage would follow. With a good leader for a real group, the real message could get out. That's how you educate people, not by attacking some old rock star because he doesn't like pirates.
You think everyone knows because you spend so much time online, but most really don't know what's going on with the music industry. Most just see pirating as stealing, talk to real people (not people online) and you will see what I mean.

Your right, we should do something, but acting like spoiled brats won't solve everything. You need to see both sides of the issue. If you can get game designers on your side (many are) then your in. Of course you won't do that for the same reason I won't and nobody else will, we're useless and we have been trained to do nothing except harmless attacks on those that disagree with us.

Sad isn't it?

Yes, I do buy that crap, it's knowledge gained from a real-world scenario. You want real world, just look at the amount of musical talent on the West Coast, that could outdo all those idiots that get record deals in terms of quality of music. Squashed by recording giants that just want to rip them off, so they can give all the money to playing the same hip-hop or pop tune on the radio 8,000 times a day, brainwashing every young teenager into what's worth buying and what isn't. Real world scenarios, yes, and why are you so rooted in this? The retaliations are real world! Who is acting like a spoiled brat here? The record companies are being greedy fat kids, and the 'spoiled brat' are the parents taking away the cake. And it's not 'harmless attacks on those that disagree with us', it's 'hitting home attacks with people who are ripping off the masses of intellectual remuneration and the right to do with what you paid for'

 

[JohnnyDelRay]

I can't believe you buy that crap. You've been trained, you think you can't change the world by actually doing something in the real world. Sad.

You think everyone knows because you spend so much time online, but most really don't know what's going on with the music industry. Most just see pirating as stealing, talk to real people (not people online) and you will see what I mean.

I forgot to iterate that my statements were based on talking to many people on the issue of music piracy, (i seem to have to justify it to a lot of people why I don't buy cd's) not from 'being online all the time'. And this is a crazy pretense anyways. Talking to people on the internet aren't real people or what? People still don't know how ripped off musicians are, go outside and ask ANYBODY. The real world AND the 'on-line' world are uninformed - they think being a rockstar is great, it's easy, and look at the successful ones, and don't realize that many musicians who work just as hard if not many times harder are still starving. And that it doesn't need to be this way. If the record companies stood up, and embraced something that is not decades old, the world could share music and help all of those.

You mentioned a leader rallying people into enlightenment - this i agree with. But which leader, that people would listen to, would have this on their agenda in any case?

 

[mooncalf]

Isn't this the kind of thing what Anonymous THRIVES on?

You're not supposed to feed trolls, Gene...

 

[JohnnyDelRay]

I can't describe how much you are missing the point.
Gene simmons is not the one taking peoples money here. I never said I agreed with what the record companies do, maybe you should pay attention.
You said real world protests do less than silly web based attacks, they do not.
These attacks are not "hitting home" they are hitting the guy next door who happens to agree with the "home"
See what I'm saying here? Attacking gene is pointless and childish. You ask who is acting like the spoiled brats here? The people attacking gene and the record companies.
Happy? Of course not,because you have to defend what these idiots are doing for some reason that you have yet to explain other than implying that Gene's comments are somehow harming you. They are not, they are just words.
The attacks against gene are pointless, how can you not understand this?

Yes, I did go off a bit on my own tangent, sorry about that. Gene's words are not harming me, but they do a fair bit to plunge the public into more ignorance, and further the ploy of the recording industries. For the sake of the public, and the future of the music industry, I am a little worried. A severe dropping off of creativity and innovative bands seems to spear the music of today, but this could be construed as my own opinion, so I'll leave it there. I guess I would just like to see artists treated more fairly, and although I don't really condone a DDoS attack as an appropriate retaliation, it seems that not much else works these days because of monopoly, or a giant that's too big to bring down and no one dares to question.

 

[Isaac The Grape]

Someone a bit butt hurt by us?

I've heard all the troll comments before. It's sad that none of you people can state a simple case, you have to resort to childish insults and attacks.

Well if you want a proper answer then please, ask away. I just want to know why you hate me?

You? Like I said, are you even a part of that group or are you just latching on?

I hate any group that has to attack somebody because they decided to say something that is disagreed with. I disagree with him, but I don't feel the need to attack people based on their beliefs.
I hate you because you are incapable of explaining why you do the things you do. You just repeat the standard troll catchphrases when somebody challenges your beliefs.

So why do you support this group? Can you answer with anything other than a lame joke? I mean an original joke is at least amusing but a troll can't even produce that. It's just the same boring one liners, like an annoying video game character.

Lets start from the beginning. I am Anonymus. I have never passed a membership test because all one needs to do to become Anonymus (or a member of the group known as Anonymus, it all depends on your interpretation) is to declare themselves Anonymus (or an "anon" if you follow the group philosophy). Anonymus has no set reason to exist. This does not mean that Anonymus has no reason to exist. On the contrary, that reason to exist can be anything. My own interpretation of Anonymus (one that is dieing out as "the cancer" spreads) is that on a persona. We are Anonymus. Many take the same identity in-order to act as one. Anonymus is not an entity by it self as it is sometimes made out to be. Anonymus is a vehicle for ideas and movements. It is around these ideas that Anonymus builds it existence on. Let me explain. This thread is about Gene Simmons, a man known for his aggressive stance on file sharing. Last month Anonymus began participating in something called "Operation Payback" this I am sure you are aware of and I will not go into its details here. The origin of Operation Payback is knowledge I do not have at hand. Its however origin is irrelevant in this case as all that matters was that Anonymus decided to take part. A call was sent out to anyone that was listening advising the users of the internet about this. Many responded and took up the mantle of Anonymus. I for one did not take part in any of the attacks that have taken place as of yet but this does not mean I do not wish to take part. Why you ask? Why do I wish to DoS websites? Because. Just because. I agree with the ideals of Operation Payback. All we may be doing is throwing small pebbles, nay, handfuls of dirt at a great castle. But it is the spirit in which we through these handfuls of dirt that is important to me. I'm not a martyr for some cause here. I just one of many people who together wished to voice their opinions. And that is why I am Anonymus. We are at it loosest from, a community. One who's numbers shift and flow like mountains of sand. We have no core values and ideals save the notion of working together as one. But yet as individuals. As for why we do what we do? How would I know! Depends on whatever Anonymus is doing. Sometimes Anonymus wants to organize birthdays for WWII veterans, sometimes it wants to close pools. There is but one thing that is common through all of Anonymus though. Give us a reason to and we will do it. People have tried to to everything from free hugs campaigns for autistic children to the ordering of millions of pizzas for someone ("the cancer" means that the latter is most common). As for myself Anonymus I tend to support political efforts or the occasional humanitarian movement. I am human after all. And I get a lot of flak from Anonymus for that.

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One of the few left who is even more pretentious then me. We are mostly referred to as "Moralfags".

Fine maybe some members have genuine morals but it doesn't change the fact that this attack is nothing but a childish attack.
If your group was really so courageous, why not attack the groups actually stopping file sharing? Why attack a guy who simply agrees with it?

It's a publicity stunt, plain and simple. It solves nothing. It's sad that your "group" has this much power yet they choose to use it to harass celebrities that they disagree with.

You talk about this act as if it is some heroic thing to raise spirits but it's not. Could you imagine how great it would be if Anon didn't attack people based on their beliefs and instead on their actions? Like attacking Gene's website if he really did sue some people for file sharing (as in, personally not a company he works for) or if you actually attacked those that stop file sharing?

Why does it have to be like this? A bunch of kids throwing "pebbles" as you called it. Not at a castle housing the tyrannical ruler, but at some idiot that supports the tyrant but has a lot of gold.

It's silly. It's wasted power. It's a cancer, our defense system (the collective anonymous group) has become too numerous and is now attacking it's own system. Maybe I'm misunderstanding biology here but I'm not trying to use cancer as a word like "nazi" or "Hitler" for shock value, that's the only way I can describe it. Our white blood cells attacking the system that keeps it alive. A long painful death for the internet when the trolls are attracted to the group more than the honest "moralfags" or whatever they're called.
I would support anon if it was just doing good things or doing bad things to bad people, but this is nothing but an internet bully group right now.

You are correct in every single way. Anonymus is mostly wasting its power.

Operation Payback has been targeting people actually stopping file sharing, you can find the records as the stand so far here:http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Operation_Payback.

Incidentally the main website coordinating the attacks is here:http://tieve.tk/. Note that they do not mention any attacks on Gene Simmons.

That is all I have to say.

Apart from that I apologize for the rushed nature of my above post.

And that Raptor Jesus died for your sins.

If raptor Jesus was trully the son of raptor god, why would he allow himself to die in such a way?

And I suppose I did rush my opinion of the group, but I stand by my statement that the anon members doing the attack on gene simmons are far in the wrong. If this continues, it can have a huge negative effect for all of us because it won't stop with gene. As this group of intolerant internet jocks grows (and eventually takes over your group) they can start to silence any website or blog that says anything negative about them or their beliefs.

They already do. Anonymus is not the "Final Boss of the Internet". It's a tool. One that can be used. It can be used as a private army if you give them a suitable target.

Damn, you got me there. Because Raptor God hated his son?

 

[Isaac The Grape]

Another Quote from the same source.

"Message to New Anon From Old Anon

Typical tl;dr by an Oldfag, AKA Veteran basement dweller, who for some insipid reason feels a sense of elitism about his place in the ocean of piss. Note the hypocrisy in attempting to identify something that is by definition unidentified.

People these days seem to think we are some sort of Internet vigilante group, That couldn't be further from the truth. We are the little voice in the back of your head that wants to fuck your hot sixteen year old daughter. We are the father who beats his six year old child simply because he spilled his beer. We are every chef that's ever spit in some random person's food for the hell of it. We are the pyromaniac who burns down the homeless shelter for shits and giggles. We are the person who rapes the same girl twice. We are that feeling you get when you beat your pets; and enjoy it. We see some guy hang himself live, we laugh. A wrestler kills his family, we laugh. Some maladjusted Asian shoots up his university, we laugh. Fifty-thousand die in North Korea, we laugh. AIDS ravages a continent, we laugh. An Austrian man locks his daughter in his basement for 24 years and fathers 8 children with her, we laugh. A religion invented by a psychotic writer swindles countless gullible fucktards out of their cash, we laugh, and then go kick his religion's ass just for the hell of it. We aren't some vigilante group righting wrongs. We aren't your friends, your buddies or your saviors. Your feelings mean nothing to us. We are human nature unencumbered by pointless ethics, foolish moralities or arbitrary laws and restrictions. We are every dark impulse you have; unrestrained and fully realized. We are what deep down, you wish you were. We exist as a means for instant gratification, purely at our own whim. We have no culture, we have no laws, written or otherwise. We are an autonomous collective, each an insignificant part of a whole. You cannot assimilate us, we do not change. You cannot defeat us, we do not exist. You cannot infiltrate us, we know our own. We do not sleep, we do not eat and we do not feel remorse. We will tear you apart from outside and in, we have all the time in the world. You operate under the delusion that we will someday be outdated, that we might even see the light. You are irrevocably wrong. You are not special, you are not unique and you aren't crusaders for justice. You're a blend of college age faggots who think that they can do some sort of good, and who are desperate to belong, to have attention. You have accomplished nothing, and you will fall. Enjoy your AIDS, faggots.

But God help you if you fuck with a cat."

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Anonymous.

I would like to point out that there are many people who would sympathise with this guy. These are the people who uphold that the cancer is spreading. The person who, in compliance with AE law(Encyclopedia Dramatica), edited this article so that it was condescending in every possible way are themselves hypocritical in saying that the writer of the rant is elitist. The average channer is fine with putting down someone but if you raze someone up then someone will have to bring them down. "Everyone is fair game except for me". Yes, there are very few people who are willing to buck the trend and actually be intelligent in the chan world.

You may want to take note that Encyclopedia Dramatica is the closest you will get to quantifying the current Anonymus.

Nice, now the void really wants me to join. Probably won't (don't know anything about hacking, yet) but it's scary.
It makes sense, given anonymity most of us become sociopaths. I use to say animals, but that's not it. Animals torture and kill for no reason, sure, but they don't torture somebody psychologically and skillfully with such joy.
I admit, in my trolling days, I am quite guilty of that myself.

I would like to point out that those who are called "the cancer" deny the existence of "the cancer". I am thankful that I tend to distance myself from both of these people.

The sociology behind the chan world is what fascinates me. The majority of the culture disgusts me.

Read the whole article that I sent you (NSFW Adds), it is the truest picture of what Anonymus is. In its own conflicting words.

Isn't funny how the first thing that people do when confronted with possibility is to limit themselves by establishing boundaries and definitions. Of course the latter is necessary to and extent for communication. But it's still limiting possibility.

 

[i7omahawki]

This whole species should just take a cyanide pill.

Cool, you go first, I'm sure it will catch on.

You think everyone knows because you spend so much time online, but most really don't know what's going on with the music industry. Most just see pirating as stealing, talk to real people (not people online) and you will see what I mean.

First sensible thing I've seen you say, too bad the whole Gene Simmons story has, oh, spread over into the real world making Anon's actions effective, even if they aren't paradigms of virtue.

Also, where is the major battleground between the record industries and piracy? Oh, the internet.

Showing the corporations and the governments how little they understand the internet, may make them think twice about throttling it.

Honestly though, isn't piracy, myspace, last.fm, spotify etc. EXCELLENT for music? Not for the industry as a corporation perhaps, but for music fans, who want to listen to new, exciting music without paying ridiculous amounts for music they may not end up liking (Albums with one good song are far too common.)

A middle ground between piracy and corporate domination is exactly where we should be.

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1666973,00.html Such as this.

Fuck Gene Simmons, and in the long run, fuck anon, but for now they're making a buzz about an important issue.

 

[DaggerOfCompassion]

well so much for liking simmons, he sounds like a pretty big dick

Ya, he's a total dick for vowing to go after people who are engaged in illegal activities, including attacking his own site. He should learn that these crimes don't hurt anybody, and that poor college kids can't afford to buy music so should be given it for free.

Oh wait...

He's a dick for saying that he wants people to lose their homes, lose their lives and put them in jail for downloading a song that's worth $0.99

Right because everyone only steals one song, moron. "AW damn i really wanted to donwload ebay by wierd al but i already downloaded i will not bow by breaking benjamin oh well i guess i'm outa luck"

OT: Anon are fucking cowards, i don't like gene simmons but he's in the right here. 99% of the people who are defending anon download music. I don't give a shit about how trivial it is it's breaking the fucking law. It's not bending the rules, it's not twisting the system, it is full on fuck the rules. Why should i be sympathetic to someone who knows they're doing something wrong. I feel sympathetic to the 16 year old driver who didn't know he had to pull over for an emergancy vehicle when he's on the other side of the road because no one taught him.

Go down to your police department and tell them that you have downloaded whatever amount of songs you have if you think it's so trivial. If it's like under 2 or 3 hundred then yah i aggree not a big deal but i'm betting alot of you have downloaded way more then that.

>Implying anybody actually likes Breaking Benjamin enough to download their music.

 

[tigermilk]

Just another reason that I think Gene Simmons is a troll and a prick (the main reason being his complaining about Radiohead live concerts being "boring" as they don't have fireworks etc).

 

[razing32]

Honestly though, isn't piracy, myspace, last.fm, spotify etc. EXCELLENT for music? Not for the industry as a corporation perhaps, but for music fans, who want to listen to new, exciting music without paying ridiculous amounts for music they may not end up liking (Albums with one good song are far too common.)

A middle ground between piracy and corporate domination is exactly where we should be.
.

Finally a sensible and neutral response.

 

[tehweave]

Good luck to him. I am getting sick of this "Don't mess with Anonymous" fear that so many people seem to feel.

You really shouldn't mess with anon... Im not part of them (obviously because there's a name to the left) but they are chaos incarnate. You can't mess with chaos. Chaos simply is. They will chose a victim, attack, leave, and no evidence is left behind.

Simmons would have to shut down 4chan to do this, but I highly doubt he has that power... If he does, whooooo boy... Anon will figuratively murder him.

Letting a group get more and more control simply because we are afraid is the worst thing you could ever do.
It's just gene now, it's just the crazy cult members before, but who do you think they're going to attack next?
It's just the internet, but it was supposed to be a place where we can exchange opinions and information freely. This is a group that is clearly against opposing opinions to the point where they attack those that say something they disagree with.

They're not going after Gene Simmons because they don't like his music, they're going after him because he tried to mess with their way of life. He wants to crack down on piracy (nothing wrong with that persay) and the internets biggest pirates had something to say about that. It would be like cracking down on laws, and then getting angry and pissed off when Captain Jack Sparrow shows up with the black pearl. What the heck did you expect to happen? Everyone goes 'okay Gene, because you said so, we will stop pirating your music. NEVERMIND we're actually listening to it because some of us like your stuff, no, you just care about money. You need more of it. Your TV show, your live tour, and the millions of albums sold aren't enough, you need MORE.'

I'm just saying if you DON'T provoke them they WON'T attack you. Simple. My post was not praise towards anon, it was simply 'Don't poke a bear with a stick and expect it to not eat you.'

Take this for added example:
http://thenextweb.com/shareables/files/2010/08/drm.png

Your logic is pretty flawed. First of all, he was not attacking them he was making ignorant statement. We have the right to say ignorant things, or would you like to give up that right too?

So nobody should speak against them because they might attack you? And this isn't terrorism in any way? We shouldn't speak out against the government because they have the power to lock you up and call you a terrorist so you never get a trial. Does that make any sense to you? I really hope not.

It's nuts. We should just ignore them and let them do whatever they want because if we don't we may be targeted next? We should just accept what they do because that's who they are? Bullshit. We choose who we are and they chose to be assholes that act against free speech.

Cool! No problem. You go ahead and tell them all exactly what you just said. Go right ahead! 4chan.com and go to the /b page. Tell me how it works out. (Double check your antivirus software by the way.)

 

[AceAngel]

he threatened legal action. DRM causes legal actions to be taken against people who try to continue to use something that they bought which is no longer compatible. This is stupid and uncalled for.

Anon's are over-reacting a great deal. Is not a man entitled to his opinion? Why are they bothered by him?

So by my calculations: all the Anon's either entered their Period stage, and need to throw a hissy fit everytime someone does/says something.

All in all, Gene may be a large twat, but I'll side with him (not on his former opinion, but his rage against the Anon group).

he threatened legal action. DRM causes legal actions to be taken against people who try to continue to use something that they bought which is no longer compatible. This is stupid and uncalled for. People don't like this, and as such they continue to rebel. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but you aren't allowed to threaten legal action and seizure of property against random people.

That's the problem, this will not get him anywhere. He'll be too busy getting someone pregnant or smoking a cigs to actually do anything. He more then 60 years old, he's an old man and he's talking about 'stuff' which has gone beyond his era.

Let this old man die in peace with whatever belief he has.