Mr Companion said:
Gene Simmons is influential, he represents the zenith (or nadir, depending on perspective) of the merchandising marauder who can only thing of musical success in terms of dollar and cents. And maybe STDs.derelix said:
he threatened legal action. DRM causes legal actions to be taken against people who try to continue to use something that they bought which is no longer compatible. This is stupid and uncalled for. People don't like this, and as such they continue to rebel. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but you aren't allowed to threaten legal action and seizure of property against random people.AceAngel said:
You are correct in every single way. Anonymus is mostly wasting its power.derelix said:Fine maybe some members have genuine morals but it doesn't change the fact that this attack is nothing but a childish attack.Isaac The Grape said:Lets start from the beginning. I am Anonymus. I have never passed a membership test because all one needs to do to become Anonymus (or a member of the group known as Anonymus, it all depends on your interpretation) is to declare themselves Anonymus (or an "anon" if you follow the group philosophy). Anonymus has no set reason to exist. This does not mean that Anonymus has no reason to exist. On the contrary, that reason to exist can be anything. My own interpretation of Anonymus (one that is dieing out as "the cancer" spreads) is that on a persona. We are Anonymus. Many take the same identity in-order to act as one. Anonymus is not an entity by it self as it is sometimes made out to be. Anonymus is a vehicle for ideas and movements. It is around these ideas that Anonymus builds it existence on. Let me explain. This thread is about Gene Simmons, a man known for his aggressive stance on file sharing. Last month Anonymus began participating in something called "Operation Payback" this I am sure you are aware of and I will not go into its details here. The origin of Operation Payback is knowledge I do not have at hand. Its however origin is irrelevant in this case as all that matters was that Anonymus decided to take part. A call was sent out to anyone that was listening advising the users of the internet about this. Many responded and took up the mantle of Anonymus. I for one did not take part in any of the attacks that have taken place as of yet but this does not mean I do not wish to take part. Why you ask? Why do I wish to DoS websites? Because. Just because. I agree with the ideals of Operation Payback. All we may be doing is throwing small pebbles, nay, handfuls of dirt at a great castle. But it is the spirit in which we through these handfuls of dirt that is important to me. I'm not a martyr for some cause here. I just one of many people who together wished to voice their opinions. And that is why I am Anonymus. We are at it loosest from, a community. One who's numbers shift and flow like mountains of sand. We have no core values and ideals save the notion of working together as one. But yet as individuals. As for why we do what we do? How would I know! Depends on whatever Anonymus is doing. Sometimes Anonymus wants to organize birthdays for WWII veterans, sometimes it wants to close pools. There is but one thing that is common through all of Anonymus though. Give us a reason to and we will do it. People have tried to to everything from free hugs campaigns for autistic children to the ordering of millions of pizzas for someone ("the cancer" means that the latter is most common). As for myself Anonymus I tend to support political efforts or the occasional humanitarian movement. I am human after all. And I get a lot of flak from Anonymus for that.derelix said:
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One of the few left who is even more pretentious then me. We are mostly referred to as "Moralfags".
If your group was really so courageous, why not attack the groups actually stopping file sharing? Why attack a guy who simply agrees with it?
It's a publicity stunt, plain and simple. It solves nothing. It's sad that your "group" has this much power yet they choose to use it to harass celebrities that they disagree with.
You talk about this act as if it is some heroic thing to raise spirits but it's not. Could you imagine how great it would be if Anon didn't attack people based on their beliefs and instead on their actions? Like attacking Gene's website if he really did sue some people for file sharing (as in, personally not a company he works for) or if you actually attacked those that stop file sharing?
Why does it have to be like this? A bunch of kids throwing "pebbles" as you called it. Not at a castle housing the tyrannical ruler, but at some idiot that supports the tyrant but has a lot of gold.
It's silly. It's wasted power. It's a cancer, our defense system (the collective anonymous group) has become too numerous and is now attacking it's own system. Maybe I'm misunderstanding biology here but I'm not trying to use cancer as a word like "nazi" or "Hitler" for shock value, that's the only way I can describe it. Our white blood cells attacking the system that keeps it alive. A long painful death for the internet when the trolls are attracted to the group more than the honest "moralfags" or whatever they're called.
I would support anon if it was just doing good things or doing bad things to bad people, but this is nothing but an internet bully group right now.
No they wont. The cancer that makes up the majority of Anonymus does not care. Most of Anonymus is the definition of apathy. I'm not exaggerating in any way, go on a large chan (short for channel) sometime and read the posts.derelix said:He has a semi popular tv show, that's why he's targeted. We both know it.Uncreation said:I'm not sure he or anyone would listen to what a bunch of random people on the internet have to say. So, i'm not sure how to go about educating him.derelix said:It was in batman begins. Decent movie, a little slow but decent with the right drugs.Uncreation said:Sorry, i copied the wrong part.derelix said:
"Make sure your brand is protected, be litigious, sue anybody - take their homes, their cars, don't let anybody cross that line," he said at the time. "The music industry was asleep at the wheel and didn't have the balls to go and sue every fresh-faced, freckle-faced college kid who downloaded a clip, so now we're left with hundreds of people without jobs."
This is what he said before his site was attacked, aparently.
And, as far as i can understand from the article, those organizations like the RIAA have been targeted too. I don't know that much about this whole thing, so as to determin if what they did to Simmons is worse then what they did to the RIAA or the other groups.
And i don't agree that what we say is nothing. I do believe sometimes people take what is said to heart too much, but that is the world we live in. You really can suffer for your own words, not just for your actions.
ALso, i don't really know that much about batman, to know what's with that quote.
Yes people are attacked for what they say, but they shouldn't be.
Yes it could sound like a threat if you want it too, it could also sound like the angry rants of a man that doesn't know what group is fucking him over. He's ignorant, educate him then. Don't attack him.
I'm sure a few hackers have tried attacking the RIAA but why doesn't anon invest all of it's resources in this? Wouldn't all of them agree on this cause?
Of course not, because attacking some barely famous celebrity gets you more publicity and it's safer.
And, again, anon does attack the big organizations as well. But i'm not sure they can "invest all of it's resources", because they are a group of random people. It's hard to get everyone on bord. It's not like they're an organization or anything like that. It's hard to organize everyone that's part of that group.
I don't know if they'll get more publicity out of this than out of attacking the RIAA or MPAA... Gene Simmons is not as big a star as he used to be in his younger days. He is still famous, granted.
I didn't say we need to force him to believe as we believe, that's just insane. Why do you not understand it, you can educate the man by telling him the truth. If he doesn't choose to agree, so what? Let him disagree!
This whole thing is pathetic. People need to stop associating this group of assholes with "anarchy" and "freedom" because they are just thugs. They are no more for freedom than a group of thugs that harass the owner of a store because he said something the thugs disagree with.
I really wish the internet wasn't being hijacked by idiots that attack people for speaking their mind, and I really wish idiots here were not defending them. Still I wouldn't hack anyone's computer or harass anyone here simply because I disagree with them. Anon does apparently.
One day the idiots here making mythology out of rabid internet dogs will realize what they were apart of and be ashamed of themselves. I kind of change my mind about one thing though, I hope the group stays. I hope this cancer spreads everywhere and destroys internet freedom completely. Then they can be forced to enjoy a hollow shell of something that was once great. Then maybe we will be forced into the real world instead of living our lives on this idiot box connected to millions of other idiot boxes.
Here's a good quote for ya: "Anonymous in itself is a free-joining attention seeking "cult" as it may be referred to. They go up against Scientology so that they attract attention, moar people join, they become more confident and repeat. "Isaac The Grape said:No they wont. The cancer that makes up the majority of Anonymus does not care. Most of Anonymus is the definition of apathy. I'm not exaggerating in any way, go on a large chan (short for channel) sometime and read the posts.derelix said:He has a semi popular tv show, that's why he's targeted. We both know it.Uncreation said:I'm not sure he or anyone would listen to what a bunch of random people on the internet have to say. So, i'm not sure how to go about educating him.derelix said:It was in batman begins. Decent movie, a little slow but decent with the right drugs.Uncreation said:Sorry, i copied the wrong part.derelix said:
"Make sure your brand is protected, be litigious, sue anybody - take their homes, their cars, don't let anybody cross that line," he said at the time. "The music industry was asleep at the wheel and didn't have the balls to go and sue every fresh-faced, freckle-faced college kid who downloaded a clip, so now we're left with hundreds of people without jobs."
This is what he said before his site was attacked, aparently.
And, as far as i can understand from the article, those organizations like the RIAA have been targeted too. I don't know that much about this whole thing, so as to determin if what they did to Simmons is worse then what they did to the RIAA or the other groups.
And i don't agree that what we say is nothing. I do believe sometimes people take what is said to heart too much, but that is the world we live in. You really can suffer for your own words, not just for your actions.
ALso, i don't really know that much about batman, to know what's with that quote.
Yes people are attacked for what they say, but they shouldn't be.
Yes it could sound like a threat if you want it too, it could also sound like the angry rants of a man that doesn't know what group is fucking him over. He's ignorant, educate him then. Don't attack him.
I'm sure a few hackers have tried attacking the RIAA but why doesn't anon invest all of it's resources in this? Wouldn't all of them agree on this cause?
Of course not, because attacking some barely famous celebrity gets you more publicity and it's safer.
And, again, anon does attack the big organizations as well. But i'm not sure they can "invest all of it's resources", because they are a group of random people. It's hard to get everyone on bord. It's not like they're an organization or anything like that. It's hard to organize everyone that's part of that group.
I don't know if they'll get more publicity out of this than out of attacking the RIAA or MPAA... Gene Simmons is not as big a star as he used to be in his younger days. He is still famous, granted.
I didn't say we need to force him to believe as we believe, that's just insane. Why do you not understand it, you can educate the man by telling him the truth. If he doesn't choose to agree, so what? Let him disagree!
This whole thing is pathetic. People need to stop associating this group of assholes with "anarchy" and "freedom" because they are just thugs. They are no more for freedom than a group of thugs that harass the owner of a store because he said something the thugs disagree with.
I really wish the internet wasn't being hijacked by idiots that attack people for speaking their mind, and I really wish idiots here were not defending them. Still I wouldn't hack anyone's computer or harass anyone here simply because I disagree with them. Anon does apparently.
One day the idiots here making mythology out of rabid internet dogs will realize what they were apart of and be ashamed of themselves. I kind of change my mind about one thing though, I hope the group stays. I hope this cancer spreads everywhere and destroys internet freedom completely. Then they can be forced to enjoy a hollow shell of something that was once great. Then maybe we will be forced into the real world instead of living our lives on this idiot box connected to millions of other idiot boxes.
These people live apart from you, in another world. Or at least take on the persona of doing so when in the typical chan environment. Anonymus and the *chans are related in the way that identical twins are related. They have developed into different people but they started out almost indistinguishable from each other.
A chan can be many things. But due to the reputation of 4chan's famous /b/ board, which many people substitute for 4chan as a whole, there is this perception that all chans must be to some extent pits of hate and the domain of the sort of people that will attack someone because they feel like it. Whenever I'm on one of these places sometimes I feel I could be looking at the posts of the next Colombine killers. Thankfully most of it is an act so you can "fit in", but a man's actions reveal the intentions of his heart. And the intentions of the heart can be changed by a man's actions. I not sure if you'll ever understand the chan world or the lifestyle that goes with as you'll may not ever try it. But it is something that no amount of raging against it will change. You may have been yelling at Anonymus, but what you're really angry at is the chans.
They're not going after Gene Simmons because they don't like his music, they're going after him because he tried to mess with their way of life. He wants to crack down on piracy (nothing wrong with that persay) and the internets biggest pirates had something to say about that. It would be like cracking down on laws, and then getting angry and pissed off when Captain Jack Sparrow shows up with the black pearl. What the heck did you expect to happen? Everyone goes 'okay Gene, because you said so, we will stop pirating your music. NEVERMIND we're actually listening to it because some of us like your stuff, no, you just care about money. You need more of it. Your TV show, your live tour, and the millions of albums sold aren't enough, you need MORE.'derelix said:
