GeoHot Claims Sony Is Misleading the Courts in PS3 Legal Battle

[Jumplion]

The paranoia is strong with these ones.

I don't like GeoHotz guts so I want him to be knocked down a peg or two.
I don't like Sony's methods in the courtroom, so I want them to be taught a thing or two.
I'm not getting the full story out of either side, so why the hell should I root for either side?

Can't we all just say "fuck it" and let it run its course?

[sup]And absolutely no one, no one, has ever explained to me what constitutes as mother-fucking Advertising. I still see people claim "Sony advertised Other OS, it's false advertising!" but I've never seen the feature mentioned except in the manual. Is that seriously advertising? And wouldn't they not be advertising it now?[/sup]

 

[spuddyt]

You should all know that this legal battle has enormous significance, I for one am of the opinion that corporations already have plenty of power and don't need any extra frankly (Here's looking at you idiots saying "herp derp lets give sony even more money/power which will be abused for more money")

 

[Declan Skews]

Sony petitioned the caught for permission to search Hotz's computers for evidence of the SDK.

That makes no sense. I assume you meant to say court there, but maybe I'm just having a brain fart and reading it wrong.

Anyway, more typical bullying and cheating from Sony. Of course they won't be fair about the terms and whatnots of the SDK. They're trying really hard to make things tough for GeoHot by having the case in California instead of where he lives. It's really all quite bullshit if you ask me. Sony is the big corporation with lots of money. They can send people to New Jersey to a nice hotel and whatnot easily. Plus, they are suing him. They should be the ones going out to New Jersey, but they're just trying to screw him even harder by trying to make him go all the way out to California.

Honestly, I find it harder and harder to support Sony these days. Almost everything they do anymore makes me want to give them less and less money for PS3 games and send it to my Wii, 360, DS, and PC instead. I'm already down to just getting exclusives for my PS3 as it is because of all their other things they do that annoy me (lots of little things that add up to a giant "what the hell are you doing Sony?!"). I might have to go to buying those exclusive titles used instead of new so they don't get any money from me if they want to keep this up. It's like they want to be the biggest villains in this industry since EA.

I find it quite funny that you call Sony "bullies" and whatnot however you are quite happy to support Nintendo. Seriously brush up on your video gaming history before making that kind of accusation. Nintendo are far worse than Sony could ever be. And may I ask, since when were EA ever even close to being the biggest villains in the VG industry? Activision has held that particular distinction for years.

As far as fighting the court battle in a different state goes, they want to fight in Cali because the laws will be different and so they will win in Cali where they may not win in NJ. Also consider this, GeoHot wins and the codes are re-released. Pirates get hold of these codes once again, piracy skyrockets. Sony loses money big time.

Then take into consideration that fact that if Sony manages to successfully prosecute GeoHotz now, then in future they will never really have to worry too much about people like hi hacking their next console as they will be able to have them in court faster than you can blink. This will hopefully keep the would-be hackers from even attempting to hack the PS4 or w/e. This would save Sony a lot of money.

At the end of the day it all comes down to money and as Sony is a corporation and as they do have bills to pay, they do have shareholders to deal with and as they are a BUSINESS no-one in their right mind has any reason to complain about Sony (or any other major corporation) trying to make money. At the end of the day, their purpose is to make money through technology and entertainment. If they are merely attempting to fulfill their entire purpose for existing,then as long as everything they are doing is legal you cannot complain about them attempting to make money and safeguard an avenue of revenue.

 

[FogHornG36]

Sony is misleading the courts?

Well, I didn't see that through all of Geohot's deceit. What with the whole "encouraging people to ban others from PSN" fiasco and "rapping about how all big corporations are evil" while taking bribes from Microsoft, etc.

Geohot is a disgusting example of a hacker/pirate that I hope loses. I frankly don't care what dangerous legal precedent this sets. I refuse to support such a person.

Sorry, but I have to agree with this statement here.

It scares me how often people will root for someone just because they are the "underdog" and they're "fighting the man." Such narrow-minded conformity is frightening.

While some might legitimately believe in Geohot's stance, (and that's fine), I have a strong feeling most are rooting for him because they think it the cool thing to do.
"Always root for the underdog, man! Stick to the man! It's all the rage!"

Just because someone is the "underdog" doesn't automatically make them right nor make them a "noble freedom fighting hero." You'll be surprised at how many underdogs are just as corrupt and greedy as the "corporate machines" they fight against.

Also, I should state that no I don't believe Sony is innocent here, but Geohot isn't totally innocent either. It's d-bag versus d-bag here if you ask me.

Buddy, you better smell what you are shoveling, you are doing the exact thing that you are saying everyone else is doing

 

[justnotcricket]

Sony is misleading the courts?

Well, I didn't see that through all of Geohot's deceit. What with the whole "encouraging people to ban others from PSN" fiasco and "rapping about how all big corporations are evil" while taking bribes from Microsoft, etc.

Geohot is a disgusting example of a hacker/pirate that I hope loses. I frankly don't care what dangerous legal precedent this sets. I refuse to support such a person.

Pretty much. I seem to remember him tweeting companies asking for a job, and the next second he's calling all companies evil. Even if he's broken, he's gotten his name out there. People will donate to get him on his feet, and then he'll live. Hell, they've donated to him once before.

This is what gets me. It seems to me that Geo tried laughing at Sony, and when Sony called him on it, he moved on to laughing merrily (all the way to the bank) at the people who are now bankrolling him.

 

[justnotcricket]

Sure, I already own the console, but frankly, I don't have to give Sony another dime if I don't want to. I can buy my titles second hand as my own little "fuck you, you're not getting any more of my money" to Sony.

Wait - you mean games? But aren't you actually just screwing over all the developers who actually make the titles as well? That seems counterproductive, if you want to continue to receive quality games. If I have misunderstood you, or the system feel free to correct me, but I think if you're wanting to stop Sony getting any money, then you'll have to just switch to another console entirely. You know, those ones made by the saintly, charitable, not for profit organisations known as Microsoft and Nintendo ;-P

 

[Vanbael]

I think GeoHot has to go down and is going to lose this court battle. Sony has money, lawyers, and an empire. I would place my bets on Sony for this one, I do hope they win because I really have a dislike for hackers and pirates. Expected effect on the PS3, minimal.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

This complaint seems to hinge on the exact wording of the PS3 Software Developer Kit. According to Sony, if it found the SDK on Hotz's computer, that would prove the connection between Hotz and California - where SCE America is based - and would thus settle any dispute over jurisdiction. Sony petitioned the caught for permission to search Hotz's computers for evidence of the SDK.

You misspelt court in the second paragraph. Damn homonyms!

 

[Carlston]

the corporation of deliberately misleading the court in order to get the case tried in California. According to Hotz's lawyers, Sony isn't being entirely candid with the court, and is withholding important information.

That how people win and always do court cases duh.

What they are doing is using sony lawyers and infinite funds to bankrupt the guy they are suing. He abandons his lawyer when broke and caves in.


Welcome to corp lawsuits. It's how they always do it.

 

[Zom-B]

Sure, I already own the console, but frankly, I don't have to give Sony another dime if I don't want to. I can buy my titles second hand as my own little "fuck you, you're not getting any more of my money" to Sony.

Wait - you mean games? But aren't you actually just screwing over all the developers who actually make the titles as well? That seems counterproductive, if you want to continue to receive quality games. If I have misunderstood you, or the system feel free to correct me, but I think if you're wanting to stop Sony getting any money, then you'll have to just switch to another console entirely. You know, those ones made by the saintly, charitable, not for profit organisations known as Microsoft and Nintendo ;-P

Have you got a better way for me to show Sony my displeasure? Perhaps a strongly worded email accompanied by my credit card number?

 

[makano]

I have been folowing this case closely from my understanding if sony win then we all lose the right to do anything with the things we own if geohot wins then there are gonna be cheaters in everyones beloved COD games. I can see sonys side of it i can also see geohots side, Sony feel's hurt because they feel like everyone of us is just waiting to screw them they see paying customers like vultures ready to pick clean the bones of sony. While geohot sees it like hes "V" instigating a revolution like a leader.

Thing is we all know the REAL issue with the Game DEVs is used game sales yes that hippo in the corner that no one wants to notice.

On another note i know that advocating piracy is bad etc etc but tell me this can you say you dont have 1 pirate song downloaded on your HDD answer honestly, Hell you break the DMCA by having a game BGM in your RAM(because it creates a copy of the data to send to RAM) as well as on your HDD to play a game. Also to anti-piracy activists who do exist people allways find the best way to get something for free if they want it bad you cant stop them you can make it harder for the small fry's.

 

[darkcommanderq]

And I thought my utter disdain for sony could not get any longer. This is going to be the longest spree of bad publicity for a company in a long time.

I would hope that if people support Geohot, they will stop buying PS3s until they let him off the hook. but I know that will never happen....(unfortunately)

 

[Death916]

Well, whatever method that Sony uses, I just hope that they win this one. If they lose, then piracy will skyrocket. That's not good

I doubt the outcome of this case will have any real impact on piracy. Piracy is going to be here as long as their is software people want, and can get for free.

 

[Saelune]

I can believe that. At this point, Sony is now just milking this idiot judge for all they're worth. Im waiting for Sony to try to acuire the used tissue of the guy who dated the girl who'se father's friend's son logged onto a computer next to a guy who heard of Hot's site about the hack.
(Hyperbole...I hope...)

 

[joeman098]

I for one am against sony in this one. if I spend whatever for a PS3 I OWN IT which means if I would like to turn it into a toaster I can if I want to make it a Linux computer I can I didnt buy it to be told how to use it.