George Lucas fucking with Star wars again.

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Castrate Lucas now.

Karthak said:
And if you don't like the changes, just watch a non-altered version. Just because a new version appears it doesn't mean the old ones magically disappear.
Oh, but that's the problem. The old versions are "magically" (by which I mean legally) disappearing. It's now impossible to get a full copy of the original Star Wars that's not a pirate. Lucas is deleting the old versions as he "updates" them.
 

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I stopped caring about Lucas when I saw him refer to a Lightsaber as a "Laser Sword".

Yes you can judge me for that, I know it's a petty thing to get hung up about but you would think that the guy who created the very concept of the Lightsaber would have enough admiration/respect/whatever to refer to it by its proper fucking name.
 

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bombadilillo said:
Baneat said:
Star wars fans;

13 seconds.

Sincerely, Reason.
What?
I think he means that the clip is 13 seconds long so there's no reason for people to be hung up on it?

I dunno, it's hard to tell what a person means when they're trying to be funny or whatever but then fail completely at getting the point across.
 

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/me shrugs

It's not like the Blu-ray versions of the original trilogy will be in true HD anyway, so you can just keep watching the older DVD releases. I would only get the new set for the prequel trilogy, since I haven't picked that up on DVD yet anyway.
 

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anthony87 said:
bombadilillo said:
Baneat said:
Star wars fans;

13 seconds.

Sincerely, Reason.
What?
I think he means that the clip is 13 seconds long so there's no reason for people to be hung up on it?

I dunno, it's hard to tell what a person means when they're trying to be funny or whatever but then fail completely at getting the point across.
I thought it was something like that. Seeing as how everyone is having a normal civlized discussion besides the few people over reacting at the "crazy fans" that don't strictly exists I don't know what to say.
 

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anthony87 said:
I stopped caring about Lucas when I saw him refer to a Lightsaber as a "Laser Sword".

Yes you can judge me for that, I know it's a petty thing to get hung up about but you would think that the guy who created the very concept of the Lightsaber would have enough admiration/respect/whatever to refer to it by its proper fucking name.
That's what they were called in a lot of the early scripts. Hardly a criminal act to simply refer to them by what he first called them. And since I'v heard him call them lightsabres, he obviously uses them interchangeably.

OT: That Krayt dragon thing is hilarious xD
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Castrate Lucas now.

Karthak said:
And if you don't like the changes, just watch a non-altered version. Just because a new version appears it doesn't mean the old ones magically disappear.
Oh, but that's the problem. The old versions are "magically" (by which I mean legally) disappearing. It's now impossible to get a full copy of the original Star Wars that's not a pirate. Lucas is deleting the old versions as he "updates" them.
The "Limited Edition" packages containing both the originals and the 2004 versions were still available in stores last time I checked.
 

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Woodsey said:
anthony87 said:
I stopped caring about Lucas when I saw him refer to a Lightsaber as a "Laser Sword".

Yes you can judge me for that, I know it's a petty thing to get hung up about but you would think that the guy who created the very concept of the Lightsaber would have enough admiration/respect/whatever to refer to it by its proper fucking name.
That's what they were called in a lot of the early scripts. Hardly a criminal act to simply refer to them by what he first called them. And since I'v heard him call them lightsabres, he obviously uses them interchangeably.

OT: That Krayt dragon thing is hilarious xD
Hmmm, it seems I have just been told.

Good show sir.

As for the Obi-Wan scene, when I was a kid I always thought that the sound made was actually coming from the Sandpeople who were terrified at the mere sight of him.
 

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bombadilillo said:
Wicket has eyes.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7108/ewoksi.jpg Click at your own risk.
GAH! Holy shit! What the hell is that thing?!

OT: GEORGE! Stop fixing it! We like it! Leave it alone! Give us the originals remastered into 1080p and leave it alone!
 

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JediMB said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
Castrate Lucas now.

Karthak said:
And if you don't like the changes, just watch a non-altered version. Just because a new version appears it doesn't mean the old ones magically disappear.
Oh, but that's the problem. The old versions are "magically" (by which I mean legally) disappearing. It's now impossible to get a full copy of the original Star Wars that's not a pirate. Lucas is deleting the old versions as he "updates" them.
The "Limited Edition" packages containing both the originals and the 2004 versions were still available in stores last time I checked.
True. I recently bought Episode 6 with both versions. I not only like the old version more, but it has a more awesome menu. The animated the concept art for it, and it looks awesome.
 
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JediMB said:
The "Limited Edition" packages containing both the originals and the 2004 versions were still available in stores last time I checked.
That's the 1993 remix of the original. The glass shattering when Han shoots out the camera of the detention block gives it away - as well as "New Hope" on the crawl.

Lucas said:
There will only be one. And it won't be what I would call the "rough cut", it'll be the "final cut". The other one will be some sort of interesting artifact that people will look at and say, "There was an earlier draft of this." The same thing happens with plays and earlier drafts of books. In essence, films never get finished, they get abandoned. At some point, you're dragged off the picture kicking and screaming while somebody says, "Okay, it's done." That isn't really the way it should work. Occasionally, [you can] go back and get your cut of the video out there, which I did on both American Graffiti and THX 1138; that's the place where it will live forever. So what ends up being important in my mind is what the DVD version is going to look like, because that's what everybody is going to remember. The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won't last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you'll be able to project it on a 20' by 40' screen with perfect quality. I think it's the director's prerogative, not the studio's to go back and reinvent a movie.
Your children's children will never see "Star Wars", just "A New Hope".
 

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bombadilillo said:
teisjm said:
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teisjm said:
And don't compare this to the prequels, While they didn't take anythign away from people who liked the original trilogy, i can udnerstand people rageing against it to some extend, because they were hoping for awesomeness and felt disapointed. People claiming that the prequels reuined the original, I don't understand though, as nothing in the originals changed, and they can simply just dismiss the prequels if they don't like them.
A lot of people are raging more over the changes Lucas is doing to the original trilogy. It ends up spilling over into prequel discussion because if it weren't for the prequels, he probably would have left the original trilogy alone.
Still, how is releasing altered versions of the original hurting the original-original trilogy?
If you like a song a lot, and finds out someone has made a cover-version, or techno remix of it, would it be enough to rage? it's not like it's removing the original form existence, or makeing it illegal or anything. You can still enjoy the song you liked, in the version you liked like you always have.
Not "hurting" But I have a big ole TV and bluray player and I cannot get a good quality copy of the movies without it being updated. Which is what I want. So yeah. There it is.
So you're just mad, because you can't get what you want, then joining the bandwagon of peopel claiming lucas raped their childhood, and kileld star-wars? To be fair, i haven't seen you rage on that level, so take my comment with a grain of salt, i don't consider you to be rageing that way, i just wonder why you try to defend the level of rage, far exceeding what i have quoted you for, with the sound statement, that you would've liked the original on blu.-ray.

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teisjm said:
Still, how is releasing altered versions of the original hurting the original-original trilogy?
If you like a song a lot, and finds out someone has made a cover-version, or techno remix of it, would it be enough to rage? it's not like it's removing the original form existence, or makeing it illegal or anything. You can still enjoy the song you liked, in the version you liked like you always have.
Because the only version of original trilogy that exists (legally) is laser-disc transferred onto DVD's. That's good enough for me honestly, but I can see how some people get pissed when the "new and improved" altered original trilogy gets its film and sound cleaned up then put onto blu ray and the original movies don't.
So all the rage, is because people can't get a HD version of the original-original?
So basicly my question is this: Would people (perhaps you, perhaps not) have raged equally if the movies just weren't released on blu-ray, neither altered or un-altered?
I can see that it would've been nice to have the version you liked the most on blu-ray, but this isn't the same as george lucas killing star wars, or raping your child-hood or whatever people.


And finally, just my personal oppinion, if a few slightly edited scenes is enough to kill a movie, the movie couldn't have been that good in the first place, and the problem is not the altered scenes, but peoples fanatical worship of it.
 

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Guys, can we not get so butthurt about this? I mean honestly, I'm as into Star Wars as the next guy, but are these two minor little changes going to really make the movies THAT MUCH WORSE? Personally, I like the no. And yeah the new cry is a little silly, but whatever. I still like the films. Yes, the prequels sucked, but clearly Lucas is not going to change his ways. He's been dictatorial with his IPs ever since the original Star Wars. He just happened to have people willing to stand up to him when he was younger.

So how about we all stop bitching about things that are never going to change Lucas' mind and just enjoy some lightsaber duels?
 

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Hero in a half shell said:
What is the point of these? They sound horribly out of place, and I don't just mean that in a nostalgic "He shouldn't be messing with the old movies"

The new sounds don't integrate at all into the scenes, maybe Darth's second 'Nooo!', but his first was just... fake, and Obi Wans call is just weird, I mean, what was wrong with the first call he did?

As I've said before, somebody needs to give Lucas a proper project to do, to stop him ruining all his good films. Can't we think of some marginally good sci-fi piece that no one really cared for, that we could give him to redo?
That's because the youtube videos are the original footage spliced with the supposedly leaked audio from the new DVD's.
I think that's why it sounds so out-of-place, but to be honest I don't care, it's a stupid Lucas tm stunt to sell more merchandise, and since I'm not buying the new DVD's I don't give a shit about the changes one way or another.

Maybe if the rest of you fans stop crying wolf every time Lucas pulls a stunt like that, thus not giving him the free publicity, his sales would go bad and he'll finally stop messing about with the original series?
Just a thought.
 

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teisjm said:
So you're just mad, because you can't get what you want, then joining the bandwagon of peopel claiming lucas raped their childhood, and kileld star-wars? To be fair, i haven't seen you rage on that level, so take my comment with a grain of salt, i don't consider you to be rageing that way, i just wonder why you try to defend the level of rage, far exceeding what i have quoted you for, with the sound statement, that you would've liked the original on blu.-ray.
So you put me on the level of child raping rage and then take it back the next sentence? Classy.

At no point did I defend that. There are a few extremists saying Star wars is dead, and even more if you care to look freaking out at the "fanboys" going crazy. People shold be able to talk about something stupid without people over reacting and calling them crazy, telling them to get a new hobby or accusing everyone of being at the same level as "My childhood got raped"

I want an HD cut of Star Wars without Jar Jar at finale of RotJ. This does not mean anything extreme.
 

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MarlonBlazed said:
Lucas didn't make Star Wars Lucas made the prequels.

Everyone involved with the first Star Wars movies contributed a lot to the films but in the prequels everyone involved had no spine and agreed with everything he said even though you can see on there faces they know Lucas is a **** with no good ideas.

Can you see the difference, its pretty clear.

I'm probably wrong though I'm just loosely quoting Plinkett's reviews on the three prequels I seen last year.
No, I think this is pretty accurate.
Have you ever seen the hilarious Docu-snippet about when they first internally screened Episode 1 ? It´s just the crew sitting in a cinema, with a look of disgust and shock on their faces, slowly realizing just how much they fucked up.
Lucas desperatly needs somebody able and willing to tell him when he is being a moron. Unless, he finds such a person, he will only create shit with nice ideas thrown in.
 
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Karthak said:
Oh for Buddha's sake.
The films are his property, so if he wants to tinker with them, it's his right. And if you don't like the changes, just watch a non-altered version. Just because a new version appears it doesn't mean the old ones magically disappear.
There only his property because of how ridiculous copy right in the U.S. is. Watch this video.

http://youtu.be/tk862BbjWx4