German School Shootings - Counter Strike is to blame?

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karmapolizei

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That Fox News piece is harmless, actually. I live in Germany, and German mass media news coverage of the school shooting is worse by several magnitudes. Let me give you a round up:

1. Some stations were really, really quick to discuss the influence video games might have had on the shooter. ARD (German's largest public service TV station, comparable to NBC, BBC and CBC) aired a special issue of a popular politics talk show on the same evening that the shooting took place. Video games took a large proportion of the discussion, even though at that time, there was no evidence that the shooter had even played video games.
Given the fact that shows like that take some time to prepare, you might argue that the producers started inviting guests and preparing footage the minute they heard of the shooting. Taking into account that one of the participants was video game journalists and at least one other guest was a researcher with a focus on the effect of video games on young people, you could argue that the producers prepared a show with an emphasis on video games without even knowing the first thing about the shooting and its circumstances. Pretty solid journalism here.

2. On top of that, a portion of German media, including the above-mentioned ARD, keeps insisting that "THE INTERNET" played a major role in the shooting. They fail to mention the exact way that could have happened however. I'm really puzzled what that could be, but it doesn't seem to matter anyway. There's also wild assertions of people "creating their very own virtual reality of the events", suggesting that "THE INTERNET" is a place where all kinds of crazies idealise and romanticise the shooter. I don't know how they come up with such crap, and somehow I don't even want to.

3. While the above mentioned points might be only borderline crazy, an article found on most-popular German news website Spiegel Online is just outright insane. For some undiscernible reason, the article's author manages to link the school shooting, video games and current government plans to block access to.. CHILD PORNOGRAPHY?
 

AceDiamond

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Kalezian said:
its obvious, have you not seen the angry 13 year old german kid trying to play CS:S?
Which was a fake, apparently. As fake as "Faux" News (yeah I know, bad pun). To be frank I'm not surprised that German media itself is spinning this story to blame videogames anyway, after all, they seem to have the reverse of the censorship the United States has. In that in Germany (and this may have changed in the last couple of years) they have softcore porn sims, but God forbid you show human on human violence.

Still though, connecting this to Child Porn? I don't even think Fox News would be capable of such grandiose bullshit.
 

karmapolizei

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AceDiamond said:
Still though, connecting this to Child Porn? I don't even think Fox News would be capable of such grandiose bullshit.
My theory is: The German public and media are, in general, technophobic.
 

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karmapolizei said:
AceDiamond said:
Still though, connecting this to Child Porn? I don't even think Fox News would be capable of such grandiose bullshit.
My theory is: The German public and media are, in general, technophobic.
Nah, it's like it always is:

Gaming is the easiest to blame. Video Games have no lobby in germany, and easier to blame than...oh, i don't know, the fact that the father of the shooter had more than a dozen weapons at home?

Quite funny:

Today a statistic was released in wich it was stated that 3 percent of all german males in the age of fifteen is addicted to computer gaming (due to them stating that they play more than 130 minutes daily).
The last statistic of youth alcoholism stated that something around 18 percent of all german teenagers are alcoholics.

Guess what our politicians care more about...
 

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This was also reported in The Times, which used to be a UK broadsheet but over the past 5 years or so has slowly slid into a tabloid... sellouts.

I laughed when I initially read it in said newspaper.

Is CounterStrike to blame for the shootings?
Short answer: No
Long answer: (Well, you can see where I'm going with this)
 

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I wonder if Fox ever stopped to think that perhaps it's not the games that spark this behaviour in kids, that just maybe the kids who already have these behavioural patterns are attracted to the games.
 

Ansem-The-Wise

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L33tsauce_Marty said:
Oh Fox news you silly, silly people.

My friend showed me this article in which Fox news reported,

"A 17-year-old who would give only his first name, Aki, said he had been studying this year with the shooter at a private business school, and described him as a quiet, reserved person.

Aki said the two played poker together, both in person and online, as well as a multiplayer video game called "Counter-Strike" that involves killing people to complete missions. "He was good," Aki said."

I've searched over 10 other sites and none actually reported anything to do with video games in there.
I love how they slide these snide hints in there. All I have to say is really Fox, really?
To quote Chris Rock: Everyone's trying to see what music they was listening to, or what movies they was watching. Who gives a fuck what they were watching? Whatever happened to crazy? You can't be crazy no more? Did we eliminate crazy from the dictionary?

To quote George Carlin: Whenever someone commits suicide, they blame metal, when they kill others, they blame rap. But apparently, the parents had nothing to do with the way their child turned out. If their kids are losers, they had nothing to do with it. But if their kids win a contest or a scholarship, they're the first ones out bragging about it.
 

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I have a theory that the people at Fox News don't actually believe any of the stuff that they say. They're just trolling at a much higher level than we're all used to.
 

Sixties Spidey

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I swore to God I would commit mass murder if I heard Fox News report on video games again.

Weeell... *grabs AK-47* I've got some killing to do at the Fox News HQ. Wish me luck.

In all seriousness though, this is abslolutely stupid, and not entirely unsurprising that they'd blame the shootings on Counter-Strike. They did the same thing with Mass Effect (Mass Erect?), The Playstation Portable (Pornable?!), the Nintendo DS, and Xbox Live. Fox lost all their credibility way before they did all this, so who listens to them?! Besides rednecks, Right winged people, and stupids?
 

Rhayn

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I stopped reading anything related to the shooting after the media reported Counter-Strike to be a game "where you are paid to assassinate others".

It just goes to show they don't even consult experts. If they do consult anyone, they are not experts. They just draw their own conclusions. I mean, jesus christ, tell one of your journalists to go home and ask their kid what the game is about. At least THEN you've done some fucking research.

I don't care about the constant honking from the media, it doesn't effect me. Currently the Finnish government knows better than to even think about blaming video games. What I shudder at is the fact that even more or less, how to put this, intelligent people seem to think games cause violent behaviour due to the constant lies from the media.

But I would so enjoy them see go ballistic if I'd commit a shooting. 4000 hours of games played in 2 years. A collection with over 30 games. Not that I'd never to such thing, it'd be funny to see them go and on about how me having a Good karma level in Fallout and being a Paragon in Mass Effect made me into a murdermachine.
 

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karmapolizei said:
That Fox News piece is harmless, actually. I live in Germany, and German mass media news coverage of the school shooting is worse by several magnitudes. Let me give you a round up:

1. Some stations were really, really quick to discuss the influence video games might have had on the shooter. ARD (German's largest public service TV station, comparable to NBC, BBC and CBC) aired a special issue of a popular politics talk show on the same evening that the shooting took place. Video games took a large proportion of the discussion, even though at that time, there was no evidence that the shooter had even played video games.
Given the fact that shows like that take some time to prepare, you might argue that the producers started inviting guests and preparing footage the minute they heard of the shooting. Taking into account that one of the participants was video game journalists and at least one other guest was a researcher with a focus on the effect of video games on young people, you could argue that the producers prepared a show with an emphasis on video games without even knowing the first thing about the shooting and its circumstances. Pretty solid journalism here.

2. On top of that, a portion of German media, including the above-mentioned ARD, keeps insisting that "THE INTERNET" played a major role in the shooting. They fail to mention the exact way that could have happened however. I'm really puzzled what that could be, but it doesn't seem to matter anyway. There's also wild assertions of people "creating their very own virtual reality of the events", suggesting that "THE INTERNET" is a place where all kinds of crazies idealise and romanticise the shooter. I don't know how they come up with such crap, and somehow I don't even want to.

3. While the above mentioned points might be only borderline crazy, an article found on most-popular German news website Spiegel Online is just outright insane. For some undiscernible reason, the article's author manages to link the school shooting, video games and current government plans to block access to.. CHILD PORNOGRAPHY?
I know what you mean, the constant media bombardment that is taking place in Germany is insane...Spiegel really dissappointed me with their bullshit journalism, I thought they were somehow above the normal sensationalism bravado, but how I was wrong...

Journalism in these cases has sunk to the point of repeating scary words like video games, internet or Marilin Manson...

Alles was die Reporter in Deutschland bringen sind solche woerter wie Killerspiele...was fuer ne nutzlose Scheisse.
 

Viper190

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Well to be honest, it is not surprising that the media is trying to find a game to be responsible for that.
The Amazing Orgazmo said:
Doug said:
Fronken said:
Didnt you know that Counter-Strike was a murder simulator designed to get people to go on school shootings? /sarcasm
Fox-news-man here! That looks like a valid source to me! I'll use my superpowers of misinformation!!!

GAMES KILLING KIDS!
Have you seen that film, 'Stay Alive', now imagine if that were true. Then it would be games killing kids.
 

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joethekoeller said:
....that the us army would be using games to reduce the amount of moral doubts when killing and that those games would now be openly available to 10 year olds.....
I'm not going to say you're wrong, but there is a reason the military makes their paper targets in the shape of humans, instead of just circles....
Though I don't think it's moral doubts, just the natural resistance to kill your own kind.

Think about it this way, to a lesser extent: Lots of people get all pumped up and want to fight after watching UFC and other similar activities. Some people enjoy fighting. It's not a natural feeling, but a way they were raised/raised themselves.
 

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i cant see games in general being responsible, but im pretty sure counter strike is responsible for more than a few skinned puppies,