"get back in the kitchen"

[Labyrinth]

Make me a sammich. =D

Just kidding. In all reality I think that gender roles are better in some societies and terrible in others, it all depends on the culture. But one thing I think either gender should never be is a doormat for the other, nor should they be considered an object devoid of thoughts and feelings.

The very idea of a gender role annoys me. It's too restrictive for my tastes in any way shape or form.

 

[Akai Shizuku]

Make me a sammich. =D

Just kidding. In all reality I think that gender roles are better in some societies and terrible in others, it all depends on the culture. But one thing I think either gender should never be is a doormat for the other, nor should they be considered an object devoid of thoughts and feelings.

The very idea of a gender role annoys me. It's too restrictive for my tastes in any way shape or form.

When things get restrictive, things need to change. Sometimes they aren't, and that's fine.

The problem is that they usually are, and anyone who goes against gender roles is persecuted and considered some kind of heretic.

 

[Lord Thodin]

Yea speakin of which, what are you doin outta of it?

No but seriously........ignore the people who do it, and eventually they will see its ineffectiveness and stop.

 

[Labyrinth]

When things get restrictive, things need to change. Sometimes they aren't, and that's fine.

The problem is that they usually are, and anyone who goes against gender roles is persecuted and considered some kind of heretic.

My opposition is based on the fact that my possession of a vagina seems to dictate what I am able to do, not for lack of capacity, but because society can.

 

[Lord Thodin]

Upon the dark plains of the Escapist, Rolling Thunder stood, Bidenhander in hand, and gazed upon the troll. Reason, here, would serve him no more - all that was left was the ancient, visceral tradition, engraved upon the very surface of an Escapist veteran. The art of the trollslayer.

And so, with a mighty cry, he did strike the troll hoopyfrood with his Bidenhander, yelling his warcry to the heavens.

"Have at thee, foul troll! And that too, you pedant, you fool! Did you think that your prescence would be tolerated any longer? Hah! I mock you and your kind, and, eterne, condemn you to damnation! Your logic is flawed, your arguments as pitiable and inelegant as your monstrous form! Simply because you are incapable of finding a woman attracted to you does not make your argument valid!"


(Labyrinth - I must say that things must be very different in Australia, because here, most intelligent men would rather they maintained a long-term relationship than simply screwed and left. Yes, we do get our hopes up, but the majority of us can understand the difference between 'hopes' and 'expects'.)

For a minute i thought i was reading holy scripture of some kind involving the battles between the heaven and hell of said religion. Bravo

 

[Labyrinth]

(Labyrinth - I must say that things must be very different in Australia, because here, most intelligent men would rather they maintained a long-term relationship than simply screwed and left. Yes, we do get our hopes up, but the majority of us can understand the difference between 'hopes' and 'expects'.)

Unfortunately I don't meet as many intelligent people, men or women, as I would like. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to see a far larger population of said individuals than is currently in evidence, but that may be a result of my area and my age group more than anything.

 

[Gingerman]

I quite agree with the OP here as a man it annoys me when I'm expected to pay the food bill every time we go out I'll admit I don't really mind but it would be nice for a change and not only that once, just once I'd love for some one to ask me out on a date instead of me going off to ask. And when it comes to the man being the sole provider? bugger off they will getting out there just like me to get some money into the house hold, sole provider my ass.

I will never willingly keep a "Kept" woman because I believe it should be a equal partner ship therefore we should both be carrying the weight be that cleaning the house or having a job obviously if one of us cant thats ok other wise I will be tell her to pick up her slack and vice versa.

Edit: There shouldn't be gender roles in my eyes either, what ever a man can do so can a woman (well part from male modelling... in most cases) admittingly there are some jobs that come easier to men/women but are still doable by the other sex.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

(Labyrinth - I must say that things must be very different in Australia, because here, most intelligent men would rather they maintained a long-term relationship than simply screwed and left. Yes, we do get our hopes up, but the majority of us can understand the difference between 'hopes' and 'expects'.)

Unfortunately I don't meet as many intelligent people, men or women, as I would like. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to see a far larger population of said individuals than is currently in evidence, but that may be a result of my area and my age group more than anything.

As I was tempted to post on your blog: This is quite clearly your own fault for living in Australia. All joking aside, I must say that I sympathise with you, and that it may be that my expectations and viewpoint of humanity is overly optimistic. An optimism I stand by.

Upon the dark plains of the Escapist, Rolling Thunder stood, Bidenhander in hand, and gazed upon the troll. Reason, here, would serve him no more - all that was left was the ancient, visceral tradition, engraved upon the very surface of an Escapist veteran. The art of the trollslayer.

And so, with a mighty cry, he did strike the troll hoopyfrood with his Bidenhander, yelling his warcry to the heavens.

"Have at thee, foul troll! And that too, you pedant, you fool! Did you think that your prescence would be tolerated any longer? Hah! I mock you and your kind, and, eterne, condemn you to damnation! Your logic is flawed, your arguments as pitiable and inelegant as your monstrous form! Simply because you are incapable of finding a woman attracted to you does not make your argument valid!"


(Labyrinth - I must say that things must be very different in Australia, because here, most intelligent men would rather they maintained a long-term relationship than simply screwed and left. Yes, we do get our hopes up, but the majority of us can understand the difference between 'hopes' and 'expects'.)

For a minute i thought i was reading holy scripture of some kind involving the battles between the heaven and hell of said religion. Bravo

You were. It is known as trollslaying, and was once the ancient religion and custom of The Escapist, before it's practice was outlawed as being harmful to trolls. But I thank you for your praise. *Tips hat*

 

[Akai Shizuku]

When things get restrictive, things need to change. Sometimes they aren't, and that's fine.

The problem is that they usually are, and anyone who goes against gender roles is persecuted and considered some kind of heretic.

My opposition is based on the fact that my possession of a vagina seems to dictate what I am able to do, not for lack of capacity, but because society can.

Can't disagree with you there. I dislike my male gender acting as a reason others can use to expect things of me, or not expecting things as well. For instance, my family at times expects me to enjoy doing all the heavy lifting while they watch TV despite their equal capability to help out. My mother insists on doing all the cooking and cleaning, and never accepts my offers to try either out.

Also, I often hear males talking about females as if they were nothing but sexual objects, and they call me a homosexual when I comment that women have thoughts, feelings and intellect (which is often superior) and are not mere playthings that exist solely to satisfy their lusts.

I get called gay because I think women should be treated like people.

 

[Lord Thodin]

For a minute i thought i was reading holy scripture of some kind involving the battles between the heaven and hell of said religion. Bravo

You were. It is known as trollslaying, and was once the ancient religion and custom of The Escapist, before it's practice was outlawed as being harmful to trolls. But I thank you for your praise. *Tips hat*

Good sir you have peaked my curiosity. Where can i get a copy of such an incarnation of awesome?

 

[Labyrinth]

The very idea of a gender role annoys me. It's too restrictive for my tastes in any way shape or form.

Gender roles are rooted in biology and evolution, and the fact is that men don't like manly women and women don't like womanly men. Which is (one of the reasons) why feminism is such a disaster.

Funny. [http://www.filamentmagazine.com/FemaleGaze.aspx]

 

[Custard_Angel]

It's all about context.

The internet doesn't matter at all. Hearing anything sexist or racist or whatever doesn't mean anything because it isn't real life.

If people say the same sort of thing in real life settings its either:
a) A joke to friends and therefore competely acceptable (but only acceptable as a joke).
b) A retarded backwards comment and completely offensive and wrong.

I'm no feminist, I just respect people in general.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

The very idea of a gender role annoys me. It's too restrictive for my tastes in any way shape or form.

Gender roles are rooted in biology and evolution, and the fact is that men don't like manly women and women don't like womanly men. Which is (one of the reasons) why feminism is such a disaster.

Funny. [http://www.filamentmagazine.com/FemaleGaze.aspx]

What? Ah, shit, there goes my sex life.

On a more serious note, thank you, Labyrinth, for dispensing with the delusion that somehow women are attracted to only one type of man.

On an even more serious note...how is it difficult for a man to be intelligent, kind and at the same time, masculine? I'd like to think I've managed it, but then again, I am fairly arrogant when it comes to myself. As one of my ex-girlfriends pointed out, the difference between being sensitive, and being a pussy, is how hard you hit the first person to insult her.

It's all about context.

The internet doesn't matter at all. Hearing anything sexist or racist or whatever doesn't mean anything because it isn't real life.

If people say the same sort of thing in real life settings its either:
a) A joke to friends and therefore competely acceptable (but only acceptable as a joke).
b) A retarded backwards comment and completely offensive and wrong.

I'm no feminist, I just respect people in general.

Props on the sensible post, but you must realise - that is what a feminist is. The modern misinterpretation of a feminist being a woman hater is just plain insanity. My mother certainly never hated my father, nor me, for we were both kind, strong men in our own fashion. The only men feminists hate are those who regard women with contempt and scorn.

A woman who hates or dislikes men is not a feminist, she is a misandrist. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry]

 

[Labyrinth]

What? Ah, shit, there goes my sex life.

On a more serious note, thank you, Labyrinth, for dispensing with the delusion that somehow women are attracted to only one type of man.

On an even more serious note...how is it difficult for a man to be intelligent, kind and at the same time, masculine? I'd like to think I've managed it, but then again, I am fairly arrogant when it comes to myself. As one of my ex-girlfriends pointed out, the difference between being sensitive, and being a pussy, is how hard you hit the first person to insult her.

Psh. You'd have to beat me to the punch. Incidentally I don't believe that being male relies on the fragile view of masculinity that most people seem to think. One can be very male and wear skirts, just as I'm no less a woman because I wear pants and punch people.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

What? Ah, shit, there goes my sex life.

On a more serious note, thank you, Labyrinth, for dispensing with the delusion that somehow women are attracted to only one type of man.

On an even more serious note...how is it difficult for a man to be intelligent, kind and at the same time, masculine? I'd like to think I've managed it, but then again, I am fairly arrogant when it comes to myself. As one of my ex-girlfriends pointed out, the difference between being sensitive, and being a pussy, is how hard you hit the first person to insult her.

Psh. You'd have to beat me to the punch. Incidentally I don't believe that being male relies on the fragile view of masculinity that most people seem to think. One can be very male and wear skirts, just as I'm no less a woman because I wear pants and punch people.

1. Of course. Can't be outdone by a mere woman, eh? *

2. I know. I wear skirts quite often. Admittedly, it's called a kilt where I come from, and to call it a skirt would probably be unwise, but honestly, where's the difference. Besides, it actually accentuates ones masculinity.

3. A woman who punches people is quite an attractive thing, in her own way. *Tips hat* Congratulations for being willing to support your views and morals with violence.

Spoiler: *

This is an utter, tongue-in-cheek, satrical joke. I've been outdone by women on a regular occurance, and I'm okay with it.

 

[annoyinglizardvoice]

If I held a door open for a girlfriend and she went off on one about chauvinism or something akin to that, I'd laugh and slam the door in their face. It's called courtesy. I'd do it for anyone I liked or respected.

Agreed, the amount of times I hold open doors in shops or let someone get in the queue at the bus stop, to only have them or others to exhibit a confused or even angry expression, is staggering. Honestly I'd of recieved less hassle by shutting the doors into said persons or just not letting that old woman into the queue, than have to face the result of them or those around them starting an arguement over how I "Shouldn't get involved with other people"...
It's staggering the amount of people who are that insecure about such an insignificant event, when you are only being decent and polite. If you want gender stats, then it's about 50|50 M|F, so both sexes show how little they trust in the intentions of other people.

Story cut short, people are incourtious bastards, despite gender, and is more of a result of societies misgivings than equality.

The belief of chivalry came about in the middle ages because men believed that women where inferior (just like children) and had to be treated "special" because they couldn't take care of themselves properly. The whole romanticized thing that we have now came out centuries later. I think that if people stop thinking about chivalry and start thinking about politeness, than we will get along better. I've held doors and had them held for me. That was because it was the right thing to do. People, get your heads out of your behinds and just start taking things at face value. Some days, a smile is just a smile.

Actually (acording to most of the history documentaries I've seen), chivalry was originally a code that said let knights get away with a bunch of crimes and sins as long as their behaviour was with the codes. It was more about saying that neither God nor the courts would hold it against you if you killed/raped/stole within the codes as long as you never any of these things in ways outside the codes. The codes of chivalry were there to control knights' dodgy behaviour, not to make knights better people in general.

Personally, I see any man who feels emasculated when women start working as an utter wimp who should be prevented from passing on his wimp genes/memes. I see any woman who expect men to pay for everything as little better than whores. But if a woman chooses to stay at home when the possibility is there, or a man chooses to pay for everything when he can afford to, then there's no problem with that because they've chosen to do that.
I don't see holding doors as a gender thing, I see it as a practicallity thing. It's more efficient for one person to hold a door open than several people to open it then let it close in quick succession, so if I get to the door first, I'll hold it for nearly anyone, and I expect the rest of the world to do the same for me.

 

[annoyinglizardvoice]

3. A woman who punches people is quite an attractive thing, in her own way. *Tips hat* Congratulations for being willing to support your views and morals with violence.

Amen to that!
I've always had a thing for girls who can take me in a bar fight.

 

[riskroWe]

I don't mean to offend anyone when I say racist or sexist things, except of course those people who are easily offended. I like offending them, they deserve it.
They're a bunch of pseudo-misanthropic idealists who maintain that a majority of the world is ignorant and bigoted, and clearly what society needs is more outspoken left-wing pundits shouting common sense at us as though it was some great new discovery.
'Trolling' as you call it, is a fine art form.