Get Your Musical Complaints Off Your Chest

[Fumbles]

I listen to Hollywood Undead.... It just ticks all the boxes.

I would never ever buy one of their albums, but they're one hell of a live band. I saw them in a crowd of about 13,000 people, and they had everyone moving. Their live energy is great.

OT: My only complaint is that all music seems stale after getting into Coheed and Cambria. Their music makes sense. It isn't just noise on cool instruments. The music and lyrics are genius, their live show is fantastic(I can't even describe it), and even the concept they're based on is pure awesome.

All this was created by a guy that doesn't understand the first thing about musical theory, and simply plays what he feels. You can physically see it in their live shows, too.

I actually agree with you mostly. I mean comparatively I will listen to something then listen to Coheed and it just feels stale. Where I disagree with is a few songs like 46 and 2 by Tool, you know a few amazing songs that are just pure awesome (my opinion of course)

I also hate people who rip on Coheed because "His voice is gay/girlie/too high etc." That logic just makes me angry... considering that He is considered one of the best guitarists in Music today.

 

[RowdyRodimus]

I hate when people complain that a band has sold out because they sign a multi-million dollar deal-the whole point is to make money, yeah art for arts sake is nice but you have to be able to buy equipment for your art and food so you can live to make it. This was especially bad with the Grunge Era where the people doing the most complaining about bands selling out were the ones making more money than God by complaining about bands making money.

I hate that Gene and Paul put makeup on Tommy Thayer and Eric Singer and pretend they're the Love Gun era KISS. They might be in KISS but they aren't Ace and Peter.

 

[Burst6]

I don't like music in general. I can't sit still doing nothing long enough. I usually listen to about 15 seconds of a song before zoning out (unless it's a funny song).

Which is weird because i play 3 instruments.

 

[YoUnG205]

I really hate modern pop, and poprock or anything thats remotley emo.
Examples are Jonas bros, paramore and of course you me at six.

 

[Dapsen]

I saw the title and thought; "I should sing about my sore pecs! ".

OT: Yeah, chart music should go die. -In my opinion.

I get the feeling that there is put less than 0% effort into it, + it all sounds horrible.

 

[Lawyer105]

You can't let me walk away from this thing, can you?

And if you'd apologised for the insult (especially given how intolerant this forum is to personal insults), rather than creating a subtle edit to remove it (after I'd already quoted it), I probably wouldn't have said another thing. I doubt we're gonna agree.

Okay, fine. You are objectively wrong. People say that opinions can't be wrong. They can.

Opinion :
1 a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter
2 a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/opinion

I have not stated facts. I have clearly stated that objective assessments and personal judgements can often result in different answers - and have personally stated that my opinion CANNOT be true for all cases (i.e. objective).

An opinion can only be 'wrong', where the subject of that opinion is provable / measureable / whatever. For example - if I had the opinion that the sun went around the earth, the opinion would be wrong. Therefore, your statement is factually incorrect.

Where the subject of any discussion is subjective, there cannot be a 'right' and a 'wrong' answer. Because it is subjective, and referant only to the opinion holder.

You're opinion fits the definition of opinion myopia. You cannot comprehend the fact that music you don't like is still music, because it goes against your opinion.

I have said that I personally do not consider death / scream / thrash metal to be music. That is a personal opinion. I don't see why anybody would consider it to be music, but I don't consider a caveman banging on a log to be music either. However, I'm absolutely aware that other people DO consider it to be their music. That's their opinion, and they're welcome to it, but that doesn't mean it has to hold true for me as well.

I'd also argue that your 'myopia' is significantly larger than you accuse mine of being. I don't call death metal music in my opinion, but I can accept that other people's opinion calls it music. You seem to be incapable of accepting that another opinion can have any validity... even from the perspective of the holder of that opinion!

How to define music has long been the subject of debate; philosophers, musicians, and, more recently, various social and natural scientists have argued about what constitutes music. The definition has varied through history, in different regions, and within societies. Definitions vary as music, like art, is a subjectively perceived phenomenon. Music may be defined according to various criteria including organization, pleasantness, intent, social construction, perceptual processes and engagement, universal aspects or family resemblances, and through contrast or negative definition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_music

"The border between music and noise is always culturally defined?which implies that, even within a single society, this border does not always pass through the same place; in short, there is rarely a consensus.... By all accounts there is no single and intercultural universal concept defining what music might be" (Nattiez 1990, 47?8 and 55).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_music#Nattiez

It is absolutely clear that the definition of music is subjective. Therefore you can consider something to be music that I do not. Neither of us is wrong, because it is subjective and based on our own perceptions and preferences.

You. Are. Wrong.

Back at ya.

 

[TheSentinel]

BUT IT IS NOT AN OPIN-Ya know what? Fuck it. You win. Now I'm gonna piss off, before you piss me off more.

 

[YesConsiderably]

My biggest musical complaint is that Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture is often played during 4th July firework displays.

It's a distinctly Russian piece of music, written to commemorate our victory over the French.

The French; you know... those people that the USA owes the very independence they are celebrating to.

 

[AgentNein]

Ye be thick, ain't ye? Like I said, just because YOU don't like it, doesn't mean it isn't music. I don't care if you try to justify it as an opinion, it just ain't right.

So I'm just wrong because you don't like my opinion. And that's different from what you accuse me of, how? Can you truly not see the difference between a subjective opinion and an objective fact? I'd quote you "pot calling kettle", but I'm not the one insulting other members, so I guess I'm left with "back at ya".

Alright back to the snail metaphor. I give some home made fried snails. You don't enjoy them! You say that they suck maybe, and hey that's totally cool, that's your opinion. If you however say that "this is not food", then there's a problem. You are incorrect. Unless I don't know, you define for me your definition of food, with parameters that don't include fried snails. And it's consistent with everything else you eat. So yes, your opinion here is an issue. Say you don't like the music, don't say "it's not music", because that DOESN'T HOLD WATER.

 

[Ham_authority95]

BUT IT IS NOT AN OPIN-Ya know what? Fuck it. You win. Now I'm gonna piss off, before you piss me off more.

I must say, that argument was pointless and didn't make this already heated thread any better.

 

[Alex Cowan]

I did read it. What I was going to say, TheSentinel has pretty much said. There's no problem with disliking, or even hating types of music, but when you start to say that these types of music aren't even music can be seen as very insulting to people who do like said genres and styles, whose opinions matter just as much as yours. I don't mind people saying they don't like my music, but when they say my music isn't even worthy to be assessed as music, which you've basically just done to fans of certain types of pop, death metal and trash metal, it comes across as very insulting, especially since nobody's really in a position to judge such a thing, given how subjective music is.

Really? To me, it just looks like you're trying to find something to take offense at. Two mutually exclusive opinions can both be true, for the respective opinion holder. That's why it's an opinion, and not 'truth' (if there is such a thing). The only time it could be considered an insult is if I was implying that my OPINION is some sort of universal truth.

There are people in the world that consider locusts and snails to be great food. I don't. I wouldn't eat 'em unless I was starving and there was nothing else. To me, locusts and snails are sustenance in the absence of anything else. How is that insulting? It's just a statement of preferences. You can hate on my macaroni cheese all you like, and tell me that I should be eating locusts and snails. That's fine. It's your opinion, just like mac 'n cheese is mine. Neither is TRUE except for us.

Ye be persistent, ain't ye? Like I said, just because YOU don't like it, doesn't mean it isn't music. I don't care if you try to justify it as an opinion, it just ain't right.

Looking completely analytically, music is a combination of pitch and rhythm, nothing more. it doesn't have to be harmonious or tuneful, just a sound. To define certain things as "not music" is technically incorrect. Although I fully understand what you're getting at, and I hate most modern music as well, I still say it's music, even if it isn't very good.

 

[IcyEvils]

Guys, I know this isn't directly related to the topic, but I was wondering;

Are classical artists' work now considered public domain? If so, is it possible to get Mozart's entire work for free, or is the reproduction of the work still copyrighted? Obviously we can't exactly get the original recording..

 

[Lawyer105]

Are classical artists' work now considered public domain? If so, is it possible to get Mozart's entire work for free, or is the reproduction of the work still copyrighted? Obviously we can't exactly get the original recording..

The work itself is in the public domain, pretty much. The problem you'll run into is that PRODUCTIONS of the work are not necessarily in the public domain.

So, the actual music of Mozart's Requiem is freely available and can be used without royalty or licence. But a recording of the Vienna Boy's Choir performing it, or the sheet music as published by RandomMusicPublisher will be subject to royalty and licence.

Alright back to the snail metaphor. I give some home made fried snails. You don't enjoy them! You say that they suck maybe, and hey that's totally cool, that's your opinion. If you however say that "this is not food", then there's a problem. You are incorrect. Unless I don't know, you define for me your definition of food, with parameters that don't include fried snails. And it's consistent with everything else you eat. So yes, your opinion here is an issue. Say you don't like the music, don't say "it's not music", because that DOESN'T HOLD WATER.

Well... you're correct. It was a poor example. My bad. But you're still not seeing the point.

For the simplest definition of food ("Food is any substance or material eaten to provide nutritional support for the body." - wiki), I could argue that anything which provides nutrition, however poorly, should be called food.

But you wouldn't consider twigs, feces, month old broccoli or dwarf bread (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_bread#Cuisine) to be food, would you? Even though they all have some nutritional value.

 

[similar.squirrel]

Listening to death-metal along the lines of the average Cannibal Corpse tripe does not make you more of a man.

'Symphony of the Cadaverous Chainsaw Fetus' is not cool. It does not mean that you are some desensitized badass who is ready to take on all comers. Being overenthusiastic about it just shows the world that you are insecure [possibly about the dimensions of your trouser-snake].
And the actual musical merit is pretty scant, aside from insanely fast machine-gun riffing and recycled scales played at a speed.

 

[Blemontea]

I CANT STAND Screamo, it sounds to me like a bunch of kids walling away at there instruments while some sort of ugly ass demon thing keeps roaring into my ear. and right now i hate Basshunter if you listen to his early works there awesome if you listen to todays songs, hes just remixing his music while adding lyrics on how much he wants to bone some woman.

 

[TehBATMAN]

People who ignore music that's older...Really now? You're going to judge music by the year it was released?

And not all metal is noise. There's one genre of metal I really really enjoy, melodic metal.

 

[Reep]

It's bad enough that so much mainstream pop-music has to be about partying and getting girls, now some underaged kid is going to join in the fray? How is anyone going to relate to you in "Baby" when you're chasing jailbait? How is anyone going to take you serious when you look like a cross between Macaulay Culkin and Vanilla Ice? You make generic, shitty music and your fanbase is one of the most despicable kinds one can have. And stop trying to make yourself look like some kind of sex object, you're like 5 foot tall and as skinny as my forearm!

What annoys me is he has a song called eenie meenie and somehow related it to women and love.


Hes 16, singing 'eenie meenie miny mo'

 

[irequirefood]

Tbh, I'm really more miffed by people sometimes than actual music. Yeah, there's stuff I don't like (generally most rap and the fact that the subject matter is rarely about things I don't want to hear about, etc. although I have found some I really enjoy a lot), but in all honestly, it's people that really do my head in.

What I really can't stand is when a person (doesn't matter if they're a friend or not) goes on and on about how they love a band when they've only heard one song of theirs. Sorry, but you don't love the band, you love the SONG. This is something I try to avoid doing, specifically saying "Oh yeah, I love that song too" if I have the same amount of knowledge about the band as they do.

I also hate when a band I really like gets associated with something I'm not all that fond of (e.g.: Paramore on the Twilight soundtrack and the god awful music video that came out of it).

Yes definitely. People liking only one song and saying they like the band describes my younger sister perfectly. She keeps saying she loves in my favourite bands. Can she name more than one song, no. Does she recognise more than one song, almost always, no. Best example is Dillinger Escape Plan. She saw I had a poster of them, went out and bought the magazine that had the same poster, and goes on about how she loves them. She hasn't actually EVER listened to them, and to this day still hasn't...

 

[FieryTrainwreck]

I hate 95% of every genre of music because it sucks compared to the other 5%.

If you think you hate an entire genre of music, you probably just haven't heard the good bits.