Getting raped is like getting a flat tire. Also, it's God's will. Fancy that.

[Kopikatsu]

He doesn't give permission to commit it; he gives the freedom to, but warns against it. The government does not make it physically impossible for you to rape someone, they say you should not, and have punishments as a result, but you still have the ability to choose whether or not you want to. That doesn't mean the government "gives permission to rape".

Giving the freedom to is still not preventing it. There is no middle ground. You either stop it from happening or you don't. It happens, therefore it isn't being stopped, therefore he either isn't willing or able to prevent it (or both!). Epicurus' argument is a valid one. :x Of course, it would be difficult to debate it with him seeing as Epicurus has been dead for a very, VERY long time.

And following your reasoning, the government doesn't prevent rape either, but they're willing to. (Hence the punishment and the fact that you can be convicted of 'attempted rape'.)

So the Government is willing, but not able to prevent rape. So they aren't omnipotent...but it's an organization of humans. Noone expects them to be. :x

 

[Treeinthewoods]

Who raped my tires?!

 

[Raskolnikov34]

He doesn't give permission to commit it; he gives the freedom to, but warns against it. The government does not make it physically impossible for you to rape someone, they say you should not, and have punishments as a result, but you still have the ability to choose whether or not you want to. That doesn't mean the government "gives permission to rape".

Giving the freedom to is still not preventing it. There is no middle ground. You either stop it from happening or you don't. It happens, therefore it isn't being stopped, therefore he either isn't willing or able to prevent it (or both!). Epicurus' argument is a valid one. :x Of course, it would be difficult to debate it with him seeing as Epicurus has been dead for a very, VERY long time.

And following your reasoning, the government doesn't prevent rape either, but they're willing to. (Hence the punishment and the fact that you can be convicted of 'attempted rape'.)

So the Government is willing, but not able to prevent rape. So they aren't omnipotent...but it's an organization of humans. Noone expects them to be. :x

Whatever, I really don't feel like debating the problem of evil on a gaming forum, and I'm working on little sleep right now....

I'll try to look up Thomas Aquinas's retort to the problem of evil (its somewhere in the "summa theologica" but I don't know where).

 

[Hellshifter]

This type of idiocy strikes a bit close to home with me. I really despise those idiots for that comment. Im not going to play the religion card or any of that I hope this really comes back to bite them in the ass

 

[AceAngel]

I swear, I would love to see a picture of a fully armored super solider, having a tire iron and...well, two tires at the end of the iron, in the shape of a phallus, bending the guy over and saying:

"I hope you planned ahead for this tire..."

 

[Souplex]

Yeah, I heard about this shit. I'm going to say it first. This is what happens when the majority of lawmakers are men. Yeah, I know, that's simplistic. But I still think it's true. Very few men have ever felt the fear of being raped. I can't think of a single woman over 30 who hasn't at some point been terribly afraid of just this thing.

It has less to do with being a man and more to do with being an idiot in this case.
Not all men are idiots.
A higher number than I find acceptable are, but I'm working on that.

 

[Damura]

This is a difficult issue. These politicians or whatever are arseholes, but for people that are strongly against abortion the 'rape' issue is a difficult one.

I mean what do you say to someone like that if you're absolutely against abortion? Too bad? You have to do it but maybe you can throw it away afterwards?

This fucking spare tire bullshit is offensive. It almost blames the victim for being raped. "You should have prepared for this... I have a spare tire for my car." fuck off. What a dickhead. He's saying it's her fault for getting pregnant. Why would he do that?

According to the article these answers were in response to incest-rape as well. Forget adults. How the fuck is an underage girl supposed to anticipate that her brother or father or uncle is going to rape her?

There is no sufficient answer out there for this. People have different opinions on abortion and nothing is going to change that. This is why I don't like the idea of banning abortions... No one is right. Everyone should have the choice.

 

[Bobbity]

Don't you just love the media? If a politician's penis ends up on the internet, that's the cause of a fucking shitstorm, but itsy bitsy things like this are ignored.

 

[Meggiepants]

Yeah, I heard about this shit. I'm going to say it first. This is what happens when the majority of lawmakers are men. Yeah, I know, that's simplistic. But I still think it's true. Very few men have ever felt the fear of being raped. I can't think of a single woman over 30 who hasn't at some point been terribly afraid of just this thing.

It has less to do with being a man and more to do with being an idiot in this case.
Not all men are idiots.
A higher number than I find acceptable are, but I'm working on that.

Educate dem men!

While I agree in part with this, I personally have found the people with the most cavalier attitude about rape do tend to be old men. And unfortunately, Congress is overstuffed with old men.

 

[emeraldrafael]

Oh my, I knew kansas was a bit backwards, but id idnt realize it was this bad. what with the WBC coming from there. But Idaho, really now, thats just disappointing.


Oh well, this is why I vote Democrat.

seriously though... no... I cant be that mean. nevermind, i just hope that this guy gets whats coming to him.

 

[Feralcentaur]

If God (and by God you mean the Christian God)is all-good, how could something evil be his will? Regardless of your opinions on Christianity, that just isn't logical.

If you're all knowing and all powerful being, why would you allow something to happen unless if you wanted it to happen, or were just being apathetic and didn't purposely do anything to make it happen or to stop it? The Christian Bible is full of God doing/allowing/ordering very nasty things to happen.

The very story of the crusifiction of Jesus involves God allowing very painful things to happen to his son/self because he said that it would all turn out well if he did. That and depending on which version of the Bible you read, you might find a part where God tells Moses he may take all the Female Egyptian Virgins as wives after killing the non-Virgins and the Males. There's also quite a few times where God says something along the lines of "You see the people in that city? They're all sinful, go kill them".

Spoiler: Example.

"They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings ? Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba ? died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves." Numbers 31:7-18

Although, the world clearly isn't flat, so you probably shouldn't follow/ believe in everything that's been in the Bible, there's some pretty messed up stuff in there. Seriously messed up. If you do, you'd have to go around acting like a insanely barbaric version of WBC.

 

[Raskolnikov34]

If God (and by God you mean the Christian God)is all-good, how could something evil be his will? Regardless of your opinions on Christianity, that just isn't logical.

If you're all knowing and all powerful being, why would you allow something to happen unless if you wanted it to happen, or were just being apathetic and didn't purposely do anything to make it happen or to stop it? The Christian Bible is full of God doing/allowing/ordering very nasty things to happen.

The very story of the crusifiction of Jesus involves God allowing very painful things to happen to his son/self because he said that it would all turn out well if he did. That and depending on which version of the Bible you read, you might find a part where God tells Moses he may take all the Female Egyptian Virgins as wives after killing the non-Virgins and the Males. There's also quite a few times where God says something along the lines of "You see the people in that city? They're all sinful, go kill them".

Although, the world clearly isn't flat, so you probably shouldn't follow everything that's been in the Bible, there's some pretty messed up stuff in there. Seriously messed up. If you do, you'd have to go around acting like a insanely barbaric version of WBC.

A lot of the Old Testament style violence though is taken out of context and doesn't apply to nations today. It was meant for the Israelites at that time specifically, not as a universal code for all believers henceforth.

Also, I already discussed the problem of Evil thing.

 

[Seieko Pherdo]

If they consider getting raped is like a getting a flat tire and I suppose when some really angry person decides to stab somebody who says that it will be like winning the lottery. Ah the world will be a better when the super Conservative people die out, until then we get to hear how those in office lack the most basic of common sense.

 

[Souplex]

Yeah, I heard about this shit. I'm going to say it first. This is what happens when the majority of lawmakers are men. Yeah, I know, that's simplistic. But I still think it's true. Very few men have ever felt the fear of being raped. I can't think of a single woman over 30 who hasn't at some point been terribly afraid of just this thing.

It has less to do with being a man and more to do with being an idiot in this case.
Not all men are idiots.
A higher number than I find acceptable are, but I'm working on that.

Educate dem men!

While I agree in part with this, I personally have found the people with the most cavalier attitude about rape do tend to be old men. And unfortunately, Congress is overstuffed with old men.

Well why do you look towards the men half and ignore the old half?
Many politicos are too old to be in touch with America.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

Also the whole making abortions legally implausible(the actual issue of the article, not the shock jock attention grabber) is just going to end up with a lot of self abortions again, I can't wait for the backfire. I want to never understand the train of thought that these guys follow, but unfortunately I do understand it.

I agree with this poster fully.

Also is homeboy not right? Are you not suppose to buy health insurance? Car insurance? Shit happens in this world people. You might get mugged. You might get raped. Your house may catch on fire. You could get in an autoaccident with a drunk driver and be paralyzed.

 

[Vault101]

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

Also the whole making abortions legally implausible(the actual issue of the article, not the shock jock attention grabber) is just going to end up with a lot of self abortions again, I can't wait for the backfire. I want to never understand the train of thought that these guys follow, but unfortunately I do understand it.

*coughtrollcough*

 

[Azaraxzealot]

I fucking hate quite a few traditional views that our old men have. It will be better when a generation that grew up with abortion and women's rights take over. Yeah, that guy is an asshole.

with how much medical technology has progressed over the last decade or so? it's unlikely they'll let any of us even work at mcdonalds let alone run for government positions

 

[Kopikatsu]

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

Also the whole making abortions legally implausible(the actual issue of the article, not the shock jock attention grabber) is just going to end up with a lot of self abortions again, I can't wait for the backfire. I want to never understand the train of thought that these guys follow, but unfortunately I do understand it.

I agree with this poster fully.

Also is homeboy not right? Are you not suppose to buy health insurance? Car insurance? Shit happens in this world people. You might get mugged. You might get raped. Your house may catch on fire. You could get in an autoaccident with a drunk driver and be paralyzed.

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

Also the whole making abortions legally implausible(the actual issue of the article, not the shock jock attention grabber) is just going to end up with a lot of self abortions again, I can't wait for the backfire. I want to never understand the train of thought that these guys follow, but unfortunately I do understand it.

*coughtrollcough*

Gaiz, he can't both have a valid point AND be a troll. So, which is it? (Mostly directed at Vault101). Feel like supporting that 'troll' point? :x

 

[ryanxm]

maybe if kansas clap their magic shoes together three times and wish that they were in a more sensible sutiation...

seriously though like everyone else is saying thats not acceptable, i mean seriously how can they even concider this?