Girl, 16, offs herself after being forced to marry her rapist

[chadachada123]

Hey, it's what it says should happen in the bible isn't it?

should fundamentalist Christians count this as a win?

Uhh no why would they count it as a win ? Christians aren't evil.
And no I don't think it is in the bible.

Fundamentalist Christians are evil. And yes, it is in the Bible.

http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm

Sections 4 and 5 on that site:
4. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."

5. (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
"If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife."

Anyway, fundamentalist Christians are the ones that want to, for one thing, stop the teaching of science in school, ban Pokemon and Harry Potter for being "satanic," infringe on the rights of gays/others, force women and girls to apologize to their rapists (even in the United States today), burn people in Africa accused of "witchcraft" (though this happens with a bunch of African religions), etc.

I could also bring up Catholicism specifically, with the current Pope telling missionaries and bishops to LIE to Africans and telling them that condoms make HIV/AIDS worse.

Then there are the fundamentalists in the United States that will not seek treatment for their dying children, instead hoping to "pray" away the illness. They let their children die of really easily-fixable diseases because they want to put their trust in their God.

I can provide sources for any of these examples, and plenty more, if you wish. Fundamentalism in any religion or belief system is a burden on society.

 

[Wintermoot]

it,s sad that people still use a book that was written 2000 years ago as law for now.
I feel really sad or this girl.

 

[Bradeck]

What did you expect from a 98.7 percent Muslim based Sharia style government, with a parliamentary style government, a "Commander of the Faithful" (King), and a 50%+ illiteracy rate in their country?

And we see again why the 3rd world is the 3rd world. We don't need schools, we need Allah! We don't need social reforms, blasphemy! Dhawafilms called Morocco the best example of a country succeeding through Islam and Sharia law.

This is the world without knowledge, science, and critical thought.

 

[CODE-D]

Why is there a thread like this everyday on the escapist? Im becoming desensitized.
rape, torture, injustice, yada yada yada.

 

[Treblaine]

Just more proof that humanity sucks.

Pretty sure this is religious dogma overriding basic human dignity in this case. The natural human response is to protect victims of assault and punish the perpetrator.

To add insult to this, according to this belief system the poor girl will go to an eternity of hell yet the rapist is destined for an eternity of paradise.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

I have no words strong enough for this story. And if I did, I'd get banned for saying them.

This disgusts me to the core of my being.

And if even one religious fundamentalist approves of this shit, and condemns the woman for killing herself...Yeah, they can go *insert long diatribe here*

!@#$ this shit.

 

[RoBi3.0]

Hey, it's what it says should happen in the bible isn't it?

should fundamentalist Christians count this as a win?

More the Koran than the Bible, but then again, the Koran is based off the Bible. Take that as you will.
Christianity has gotten over their Crusader period, but unfortunately Islam seems to have the highest average of fuckmothering barbaric acts against humanity at the moment.
Can't wait till we get rid of all religion and pretend that it never happened. Seriously, in 10,000 years they will refer to the 21st century as the dark ages.

-sigh-

As I said in a recent post,

"As a Muslim, I just want to set the record straight here.

The Quran states that a woman can't be forced into Marriage. Islamic Hadith and Sunnah (Sayings of the Prophet) and the actions of the Prophets immediate successors clearly show that there must be a heavy punishment for a rapist, but no punishment for the one who has been raped.

Shit like this is a result of Cultural and Tribal practices and traditions, and has NO basis in Islam.

I really dont want anyone to leave this thread thinking Islam is to blame for this."

Thanks for the information. I think a lot of people just want an easy path to blame something the don't truly understand but have been told is bad. If people took the time to learn maybe they would understand, but more then likely they wont.

 

[Treblaine]

Hey, it's what it says should happen in the bible isn't it?

should fundamentalist Christians count this as a win?

Uhh no why would they count it as a win ? Christians aren't evil.
And no I don't think it is in the bible.

More like "I really hope it isn't in the bible, and I'm not going to check".

These books have FUNDAMENTALLY bad ideas, almost all the major religions. And if they aren't going too extreme on way of advocating brutality like this then they are going the other of extreme pacifism like Jainism where extreme adherents are terrified of even sitting down on a chair lest they accidentally crush a microscopic animal.

And if you have to exercise personal judgement as a human deciding which part of scripture to follow and what not to follow... why bother with scripture at all? If you can tell right from wrong within scripture then you can skip that entirely and just tell right from wrong in life and legislation.

 

[XSTALKERX]

Hey, it's what it says should happen in the bible isn't it?

should fundamentalist Christians count this as a win?

Uhh no why would they count it as a win ? Christians aren't evil.
And no I don't think it is in the bible.

Fundamentalist Christians are evil. And yes, it is in the Bible.

http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm

Sections 4 and 5 on that site:
4. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."

5. (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
"If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife."

Anyway, fundamentalist Christians are the ones that want to, for one thing, stop the teaching of science in school, ban Pokemon and Harry Potter for being "satanic," infringe on the rights of gays/others, force women and girls to apologize to their rapists (even in the United States today), burn people in Africa accused of "witchcraft" (though this happens with a bunch of African religions), etc.

I could also bring up Catholicism specifically, with the current Pope telling missionaries and bishops to LIE to Africans and telling them that condoms make HIV/AIDS worse.

Then there are the fundamentalists in the United States that will not seek treatment for their dying children, instead hoping to "pray" away the illness. They let their children die of really easily-fixable diseases because they want to put their trust in their God.

I can provide sources for any of these examples, and plenty more, if you wish. Fundamentalism in any religion or belief system is a burden on society.

Whoa seriously ? I never knew that and I'm a Christian. But I'm not anything like fundamentalist Christians then. Sometimes I actually do think my family and church lies about these aspects of Christianity but anyway thanks for pointing that out.

 

[Treblaine]

Hey, it's what it says should happen in the bible isn't it?

should fundamentalist Christians count this as a win?

More the Koran than the Bible, but then again, the Koran is based off the Bible. Take that as you will.
Christianity has gotten over their Crusader period, but unfortunately Islam seems to have the highest average of fuckmothering barbaric acts against humanity at the moment.
Can't wait till we get rid of all religion and pretend that it never happened. Seriously, in 10,000 years they will refer to the 21st century as the dark ages.

-sigh-

As I said in a recent post,

"As a Muslim, I just want to set the record straight here.

The Quran states that a woman can't be forced into Marriage. Islamic Hadith and Sunnah (Sayings of the Prophet) and the actions of the Prophets immediate successors clearly show that there must be a heavy punishment for a rapist, but no punishment for the one who has been raped.

Shit like this is a result of Cultural and Tribal practices and traditions, and has NO basis in Islam.

I really dont want anyone to leave this thread thinking Islam is to blame for this."

Then why has a legal system entirely based on this religion failed to stop this happening?

That's the problem with ALL religion, it is full of so many contradictions you can use it to give "divine weight" to any argument. These holy scriptures are NOT continuously debated and amended legal documents, with all contradictions ironed out, nor stipulations on its consistency of use.

Religion may say it is perfect but it is not, no where near perfect enough to be used as basis of a functional legal system.

Religion should be personal philosophy, not public policy.

 

[KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life]

As a history nut, it's sad to see the Islamic World as messed-up as it is now. It's almost as if all of the governments the Americans and Soviets overthrew harmed the milieu of their nation in their passing. Not to say every Muslim kingdom was perfect, but many of them were progressive. Now the few remaining Islamic monarchies are just as ass-backwards as the rest of the Muslim world.

It's almost as though with no major power to look up to *cough*Ottomans*cough*, the rest of those states had nothing to base their government on.

 

[XSTALKERX]

Hey, it's what it says should happen in the bible isn't it?

should fundamentalist Christians count this as a win?

Uhh no why would they count it as a win ? Christians aren't evil.
And no I don't think it is in the bible.

More like "I really hope it isn't in the bible, and I'm not going to check".

These books have FUNDAMENTALLY bad ideas, almost all the major religions. And if they aren't going too extreme on way of advocating brutality like this then they are going the other of extreme pacifism like Jainism where extreme adherents are terrified of even sitting down on a chair lest they accidentally crush a microscopic animal.

And if you have to exercise personal judgement as a human deciding which part of scripture to follow and what not to follow... why bother with scripture at all? If you can tell right from wrong within scripture then you can skip that entirely and just tell right from wrong in life and legislation.

Hmm well you did make a very valid point, but I don't know. Sometimes I just try not to think about these things too much. It sort of depresses me.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Goddamn it.

This bullshit always pisses me off.

As a Muslim, I just want to set the record straight here.

The Quran states that a woman can't be forced into Marriage. Islamic Hadith and Sunnah (Sayings of the Prophet) and the actions of the Prophets immediate successors clearly show that there must be a heavy punishment for a rapist, but no punishment for the one who has been raped.

Shit like this is a result of Cultural and Tribal practices and traditions, and has NO basis in Islam.

I really dont want anyone to leave this thread thinking Islam is to blame for this.

Sadly,I know it will happen, but hey, at least I tried Right?

And as someone who isn't a Muslim, yes. It's all very well to point at various places and say "their religions makes them have lots of rape", but rape is massively common everywhere. Whatever a nation's culture, religion, society or legal system, rape will continue to be a serious issue. It's just more convenient to worry about far away problems that we can't particularly be called to do anything about or said to be responsible for.

That doesn't mean it's not fair to to at other nations and say "your disaster is even worse than mine", but it's not exactly a triumph of your own nation/religion/whatever.

 

[mad_mick]

Can i has a free internet? This is fucked up tho!

 

[Treblaine]

Hey, it's what it says should happen in the bible isn't it?

should fundamentalist Christians count this as a win?

Uhh no why would they count it as a win ? Christians aren't evil.
And no I don't think it is in the bible.

More like "I really hope it isn't in the bible, and I'm not going to check".

These books have FUNDAMENTALLY bad ideas, almost all the major religions. And if they aren't going too extreme on way of advocating brutality like this then they are going the other of extreme pacifism like Jainism where extreme adherents are terrified of even sitting down on a chair lest they accidentally crush a microscopic animal.

And if you have to exercise personal judgement as a human deciding which part of scripture to follow and what not to follow... why bother with scripture at all? If you can tell right from wrong within scripture then you can skip that entirely and just tell right from wrong in life and legislation.

Hmm well you did make a very valid point, but I don't know. Sometimes I just try not to think about these things too much. It sort of depresses me.

Look, just take the best parts of the bible and leave the worst, and only take the arguments from the bible that stand on their own merits. You don't have to throw out the baby with the bad water, i.e. throwing out the bad dogma of Christianity doesn't mean you have to also reject to basic good stuff like don't steal, don't kill, etc. There is much good stuff.

Like the ability to forgive those who wronged you and to work to reconciliation, rather than recrimination and revenge.

But do NOT take from that that one person can forgive for another, like how the Catholic Church (particularly Pope Ratzinger) took this to mean they could say a few hymns to forgive priests for raping and torturing those thousands of poor children in their care... regardless of how the children felt. Their forgiveness was never sought. Only their silence.

Ultimately religions need to evolve beyond faith and dogma and become more like philosophies. You can still be a Christian - follower of Christ - while rejecting the WHOLE bible's infallibility and relevance. And even as a follower of Christ you don't have to do EVERYTHING he does. Remember, even American patriots admit slavery is wrong even though it was legal and widely practised when the Union was founded.

It doesn't really matter if you are atheist or not, what matters is if for whatever reason you think the Holy Scripture is infallible and must be obeyed and revered then that will lead to awful things like the OP has pointed out.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Look, just take the best parts of the bible and leave the worst, and only take the arguments from the bible that stand on their own merits. You don't have to throw out the baby with the bad water, i.e. throwing out the bad dogma of Christianity doesn't mean you have to also reject to basic good stuff like don't steal, don't kill, etc. There is much good stuff.

I'd agree with that, but only on the proviso that the bad is still recognised. You shouldn't speak of a thing in regards to its qualities without acknowledging its flaws.

This is especially true when dealing with something that is interpreted differently by other people of the same nominal overall group.

 

[TheAmokz]

Islamic Hadith and Sunnah (Sayings of the Prophet) and the actions of the Prophets immediate successors clearly show that there must be a heavy punishment for a rapist, but no punishment for the one who has been raped.

This man would disagree with you.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

While I can't comment on the validity of the story's claims, if a young girl has indeed taken her life (especially in such a horrendously painful way) I will be thinking of her and hoping those who love her can overcome this tremendously painful loss.

I hope she found some peace.

 

[chadachada123]

Whoa seriously ? I never knew that and I'm a Christian. But I'm not anything like fundamentalist Christians then. Sometimes I actually do think my family and church lies about these aspects of Christianity but anyway thanks for pointing that out.

No problem, I recognize that most Christians, I would even say the vast majority, aren't fundamentalist or extremist, but there are definitely some problems in some parts of the world, just like with Islam or Hinduism, where people go overboard with it.