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CerealKiller said:
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If those are exactly what you need then where's the point of this?

Other than that,let's face it,it's in mens nature to do all those things.Shoot,kill etc.I know,i know,"damn stereotypes","damn nature" but hey,that's how things are.It makes sense having male figures in those games.I don't care if there's not a single person to agree with me in this,that's how things are.
You have a very small mind, sir. Are you positing that it is MY nature to murder, kill and destroy, because I occasionally pick up an FPS?

Friggin' dumb.
Actually i just found one with smaller than mine,congrats!I said that it's in the MALE NATURE to fight and participate in wars.Btw,NOT because you pick up a FPS,after all,this thread points out that women can do that too.

Other than that,allthough i'm 100% sure you know that i abandoned this thread,you decided to "bring me back" by saying something SO stupid.


I agree,you are "friggin' dumb".Have a lollipop junior.
I'm male. So yes, your idea that I'm an id-driven destruction machine based upon my gender. is offensive to me, far more offensive than your confection offering. That's apologist, stereotype-based and exceptionally narrow-minded. In other words, friggin' dumb. I'll take that lollipop, oh sage-like one.
 

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A possible reason why many female (and male) characters are the way they are in video games is because so many games today are action games, and action games (like action movies) often have stereotypical characters. Things are different in adventure games, CRPGs and JRPGs.

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Also, be thankful you're not (I assume) a BLACK female gamer like me. I think the grand total of black female video game characters is 1 1/2 (Rochelle in L4D2 is one...Sheva from RE5 only counts as half in my vote since she's more of an afterthought thrown in to say "Hey, RE5 isn't racist! Here's a "black" chick!" IMO).
Gosh, you're right. She just wasn't black enough [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SassyBlackWoman]! Also, only African Americans are black, actual Africans are just fronting.

They didn't have any need to include a black character just because RE5 is "racist," since it clearly isn't racist. Unless it's racist to depict Africa as having lots of black people in it.

One of the things that really got me about Sheva was that she didn't even look black. She has straight hair, moderately dark skin, and basically Caucasian facial features. I mean, I guess you can't expect too much from a Japanese game company. Japan is pretty good at the "racism by way of ignorance" thing. I just find it depressing.
Sheva was modelled after a real person, Michelle Van der Water [http://www.residentevilrealm.com/attori/michelle-vanderwater-interview.html]. Not every black woman looks like a sistah from the (American) hood.
I find it hilarious that you think that when I said "black" I meant something along the lines of Tyler Perry's Madea. I did not. There is a physical difference between black men and women and white men and women. There is a different bone structure, facial features, etc. Also...I am aware of who Sheva was modeled after. I looked at the pictures...I see a mild resemblance, but they did not capture Michelle's features, I think. I am a proud black woman. I have been called on several occasions "white" because I don't act like I'm, as you put it, "a sistah from the hood". I KNOW what that feels like. That being said, having grown up around people of my same race (and people of other races), Sheva is NOT a very good representation of a black female. I don't give a crap about whatever her background story is...just looking at her, she doesn't seem black, African or not (although I don't see why it matters whether she was from Africa at all).

Btw...I don't think RE5 is racist. I think that is a ridiculous statement. I was saying that, in the attempt to satisfy the backlash they received over being called racist, Sheva was thrown in as an afterthought (which again, was unnecessary...it's a freakin' game. In Africa. Of course there's going to be black people!).

Oh, and thanks for the cute sterotypical black references, like "fronting", "sistah", and "hood". I obviously wouldn't have understood otherwise. /s
 

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SikOseph said:
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Does it matter whether the pixels in the stupid space armour suit in the turgid console FPS you play have imaginary vaginas or penises? 'Alpha Male' is a term for the male leader of a pack of animals. If you don't like it, go play Tomb Raider. Or Metroid.

The reason why FPS is dominated by male characters is that war is dominated by male characters. What proportion of soldiers who actually shoot at the enemy (and get killed by the enemy) are female? There are plenty of games offering the opportunity to be a female character, though I would agree the multiplayer should, generally speaking, allow for female characters. Still, even there, if you're going to complain about only being differentiated by voice in a SPACE MARINE SUIT, you are oversensitive. What do you want to see - powered space tits? If you prefer the sound the male characters make then it is perfectly right that you should have to choose to play a male character.
...and to all the others who think Alpha Male is just an animal reference: please read your Freud and get back to me.
Freud wasn't the one who came up with the idea that modern decision makers/office managers are alpha males. He merely wrote theses on early human development, comparing it to the way gorillas set up their social structure. Human groups are way too complicated to have alpha males, though from a profiling point of view one can observe alpha-like qualities.

Oh yeah, Alpha Male is also an anthrax song. And Freud is hardly a well respected authority in modern psychology...

Pull your head out of your conceited arse.
I will, but just before I do, tell me, do you not think Alpha Male is a term used to describe humans, even if it's not in the most strictly Jane Goodal sense?

As for Freud hardly being a well respected authority - find me a name more synonymous with psychology than the man who is responsible for homosexuality not being considered a mental illness.

Also, I'm not conceited, but I am damned funny.
 

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funguy2121 said:
CerealKiller said:
funguy2121 said:
CerealKiller said:
If those are exactly what you need then where's the point of this?

Other than that,let's face it,it's in mens nature to do all those things.Shoot,kill etc.I know,i know,"damn stereotypes","damn nature" but hey,that's how things are.It makes sense having male figures in those games.I don't care if there's not a single person to agree with me in this,that's how things are.
You have a very small mind, sir. Are you positing that it is MY nature to murder, kill and destroy, because I occasionally pick up an FPS?

Friggin' dumb.
Actually i just found one with smaller than mine,congrats!I said that it's in the MALE NATURE to fight and participate in wars.Btw,NOT because you pick up a FPS,after all,this thread points out that women can do that too.

Other than that,allthough i'm 100% sure you know that i abandoned this thread,you decided to "bring me back" by saying something SO stupid.


I agree,you are "friggin' dumb".Have a lollipop junior.
I'm male. So yes, your idea that I'm an id-driven destruction machine based upon my gender. is offensive to me, far more offensive than your confection offering. That's apologist, stereotype-based and exceptionally narrow-minded. In other words, friggin' dumb. I'll take that lollipop, oh sage-like one.
The bloody fact that you're brainwashed on thinking your gender as an invisible freedom-taking collar it's not my fault.Others who have their agendas got those "poems" inside your lil head and the irony is that you think you're free-willed.Again not my problem.
If you're afraid of your freedom or whatnot being taken away from GENDERS,then first:you have issues Second:be patient for a few years,the world is not so far from being an endless "coocoo's nest".

Other than that,i didn't talk about being a "destruction machine".Again you're seeing things that are not there.Males are made to fight,protect,participate in wars and whatnot.Just because nowdays various kinds of people are trying to "change" that,it doesn't mean that that isn't what males do,or at least,used to do.

With other words,you're not offended by what i'm saying,you're offended because i'm being rational.That was the reason i decided to stay away from this thread until you started calling me names like the "open-minded" and "progressive" person you are.
 

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Bakaferret,
see how much hostility has been invited by a woman suggesting women gamers possibly don't get quite a fair shake?

I've seen quite a bit of uninformed, adolescent anger here this morning. That's a problem with the format, I think; because this website is so videogame-centric, there's an awful lot of pubescent snobs whose belief system is based upon "I like this game, so anybody who says anything critical of it is a fuckhead."

I'm an anglo-saxon person with a penis, so I could certainly be accused of being pussy-whipped by all my fellow caucasion men on here who think women and blacks just complain too much. Call me an underdog-lover, I usually side with the person who gets the shorter end of the stick; at least they have more legitimate reason to *****.

Bagodix,

give me just one instance of widespread discrimination against men. Since you claim that men across the globe have rights equal to or less than women. Back your shit up. Maybe this is just a "feeling" you have, since us sinful westerners have let the ladies "run wild."
 

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CerealKiller said:
funguy2121 said:
CerealKiller said:
funguy2121 said:
CerealKiller said:
If those are exactly what you need then where's the point of this?

Other than that,let's face it,it's in mens nature to do all those things.Shoot,kill etc.I know,i know,"damn stereotypes","damn nature" but hey,that's how things are.It makes sense having male figures in those games.I don't care if there's not a single person to agree with me in this,that's how things are.
You have a very small mind, sir. Are you positing that it is MY nature to murder, kill and destroy, because I occasionally pick up an FPS?

Friggin' dumb.
Actually i just found one with smaller than mine,congrats!I said that it's in the MALE NATURE to fight and participate in wars.Btw,NOT because you pick up a FPS,after all,this thread points out that women can do that too.

Other than that,allthough i'm 100% sure you know that i abandoned this thread,you decided to "bring me back" by saying something SO stupid.


I agree,you are "friggin' dumb".Have a lollipop junior.
I'm male. So yes, your idea that I'm an id-driven destruction machine based upon my gender. is offensive to me, far more offensive than your confection offering. That's apologist, stereotype-based and exceptionally narrow-minded. In other words, friggin' dumb. I'll take that lollipop, oh sage-like one.
The bloody fact that you're brainwashed on thinking your gender as an invisible freedom-taking collar it's not my fault.Others who have their agendas got those "poems" inside your lil head and the irony is that you think you're free-willed.Again not my problem.
If you're afraid of your freedom or whatnot being taken away from GENDERS,then first:you have issues Second:be patient for a few years,the world is not so far from being an endless "coocoo's nest".

Other than that,i didn't talk about being a "destruction machine".Again you're seeing things that are not there.Males are made to fight,protect,participate in wars and whatnot.Just because nowdays various kinds of people are trying to "change" that,it doesn't mean that that isn't what males do,or at least,used to do.

With other words,you're not offended by what i'm saying,you're offended because i'm being rational.That was the reason i decided to stay away from this thread until you started calling me names like the "open-minded" and "progressive" person you are.
An anarchist conservative. Bloody brilliant! Preach your nihilism to me, father!
 

CerealKiller

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funguy2121 said:
CerealKiller said:
funguy2121 said:
CerealKiller said:
funguy2121 said:
CerealKiller said:
If those are exactly what you need then where's the point of this?

Other than that,let's face it,it's in mens nature to do all those things.Shoot,kill etc.I know,i know,"damn stereotypes","damn nature" but hey,that's how things are.It makes sense having male figures in those games.I don't care if there's not a single person to agree with me in this,that's how things are.
You have a very small mind, sir. Are you positing that it is MY nature to murder, kill and destroy, because I occasionally pick up an FPS?

Friggin' dumb.
Actually i just found one with smaller than mine,congrats!I said that it's in the MALE NATURE to fight and participate in wars.Btw,NOT because you pick up a FPS,after all,this thread points out that women can do that too.

Other than that,allthough i'm 100% sure you know that i abandoned this thread,you decided to "bring me back" by saying something SO stupid.


I agree,you are "friggin' dumb".Have a lollipop junior.
I'm male. So yes, your idea that I'm an id-driven destruction machine based upon my gender. is offensive to me, far more offensive than your confection offering. That's apologist, stereotype-based and exceptionally narrow-minded. In other words, friggin' dumb. I'll take that lollipop, oh sage-like one.
The bloody fact that you're brainwashed on thinking your gender as an invisible freedom-taking collar it's not my fault.Others who have their agendas got those "poems" inside your lil head and the irony is that you think you're free-willed.Again not my problem.
If you're afraid of your freedom or whatnot being taken away from GENDERS,then first:you have issues Second:be patient for a few years,the world is not so far from being an endless "coocoo's nest".

Other than that,i didn't talk about being a "destruction machine".Again you're seeing things that are not there.Males are made to fight,protect,participate in wars and whatnot.Just because nowdays various kinds of people are trying to "change" that,it doesn't mean that that isn't what males do,or at least,used to do.

With other words,you're not offended by what i'm saying,you're offended because i'm being rational.That was the reason i decided to stay away from this thread until you started calling me names like the "open-minded" and "progressive" person you are.
An anarchist conservative. Bloody brilliant! Preach your nihilism to me, father!

Oh yeah,really "open-minded" and mature.And this is where the lollipop comes in,i'm glad you took it.I hope it'll keep you busy so we can have some peace around here.
 

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You'll have to look for a long while in order to find anyone in academia who considers Freud a current authority within the field of psychology. He's of historical significance, but that's about it.
 

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i'm a female gamer and all my female friends game as do all the lads i know, not once has any of the girls including me complained about gender roles in a fps because to be fair i'm on there to shoot stuff, if i wanna have a girl character and shoot stuff = Mass effect not girly but girl options. girl options are good but not worth the effort unless its like free downloadable.

generally girls don't go out and shoot people lads do, girls just beat people up and make lives hell
 

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People need to stop blowing this right the fuck out of proportion.

ON TOPIC, since so many have forgotten it and gone off into tangents: Sexism is bad, people. Your arguments are relevent ONLY when it fits the context! Let's take a role playing game like Dragon Age Origins. Hell, why not World of Warcraft?

This is a game that lets you define YOUR destiny and place YOURSELF into the world. It does not matter if you're a man, woman, black, white, asian, whatever. You make your character to how you like. Therefore, it would be disgustingly offensive if you couldn't make a female character, because you have the option to make the character how you want them to appear and there is equal representation. Fair enough Okay.

Now take a game with a fixed storyline and demographic. A war game, for example. Call of Duty. It's a game based on actual events that, in all honesty, consists primarily of men, when we're talking about frontline foot-grunt soldiers. Not only that, it's a game that primarily and knowingly targets a male audience. Men like guns, they like action and blood and the whole "fight for your country" approach that Americans are so fond of. This is a male environment, with a male demographic, so why the heck wouldn't it cater to simply men? I think a lot of male gamers may, despite the whole "I'm not sexist" argument, be quite up in arms to find out they're being forced to play a character with breasts simply because the game has to remain "politically correct". Maybe they don't want to play as a woman. Alternatively - why should they care? Why should YOU care? Is having breasts on your avatar that bloody important to you? Are you sexist for not wanting to play a man? What's so wrong with us?

You rarely, if ever, see your character in an FPS so stop whining about something that is stupidly arbitrary. And let's not forget the incredible lack of customisation in FPS games. As stated, you don't make your character, you can't customise it, so the option's not going to be there. And as shocking as this may sound to you, i don't really want to hear Master Chief's voice be made into a girl's to make him sound like he's been made into a eunuch for the sake of being PC. Because it just doesn't FIT INTO CONTEXT.

And while i'm on this topic, what about orientals? Homosexuals? Black people, even, to some extent? Where are they? Nowhere, and yet you don't see them crying about it. How many video games can you think of where the main character is gay or lesbian for example? How's that for equality?

Edit: As for why the games industry may 'ignore' women as you claim and focus only on men when they market these games, it's because we live in a democracy, and this even applies to corporations and marketing. They look at the figures and ask "Where does the majority rule? Who will be more likely to buy these games?" the answer is men. So, ruling in the majority's favour, that is where the time effort and money is put. Doesn't make them sexist, it just makes them democratic and smart. I may have a thing for banana and jelly sandwiches, but that doesn't mean my local supermarket is going to stock them. Gasp, discrimination!
 

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not enough girls.so the company's will ignore you.

multiply and games shall rain upon thee.
 

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Line up, I'll take ya all on!

Wow. People and their egos. I don't claim to know a great deal about psychology, but I do know that academia teaches THEORY. I don't know a tremendous lot about politics or sociology, but I know mob mentality when I see it. I know that many people still, as they always have, strive to divorce themselves from responsibility by claiming certain characteristics to be genetically inherent or even inescapable. I know that many people will fixate on one very small aspect of a debate and declare all who disagree with them intellectually inferior. And I know that many,many men throughout the world don't like for women to act any way except for that which mommy and daddy told them they should act. That last one is strange. Women outnumber us; if you don't like one, move along. There's plenty of self-effacing good cooks out there.

I wouldn't say that women aren't misrepresented or underrepresented in video games. I would say that women who aren't into Cooking Mama may find slim pickings if they want a female protagonist. That is changing, however. I can't believe no one's mentioned Wet.
 

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bagodix said:
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give me just one instance of widespread discrimination against men.
Divorce laws in the US. Men are also more likely to receive heavier prison sentences than women for the same crimes.

Since you claim that men across the globe have rights equal to or less than women.
Except I have never made such a claim.
Really? Read your statements. You made exactly that claim.
 

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I don't really have a problem with it, many games out there have playable female characters (Borderlands, Oblivion, Fallout, Saints Row 2, etc), and if some don't, I adapt (ie: choose the coolest guy). Maybe more women should appear as lead characters, but that also depends on the setting (I didn't expect women in MW2).

And sure, I prefer playing female characters, but it's not a big deal for me if the game doesn't have a female chaingunner that spits flaming rockets of awesome as my lieutenant.
 

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ZippyDSMlee said:
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when i finaaly finishing my studying and become a designer ill remember to keep this in mind
plz..plz...plz...do not forget not everyone plays the same, full button mapping is a must for any game!!!!
no problem, i aim top be one of the best game designers ever seen. full button mapping will be included ^_^