Girls and the games aimed at men

Recommended Videos

funguy2121

New member
Oct 20, 2009
3,407
0
0
Kuchinawa212 said:
funguy2121 said:
Kuchinawa212 said:
I suppose, but you gotta be sure that they don't turn into a girly game. Sure, I see what your saying, and I agree, they really need to make more of a effort, but it's hard to serve both audiences
Not really. They just need to include more female protagonist options in more games. OP is clearly not looking for more Princess Peach adventures, just more Jill Valentines/Samus Arans.
Indeed, they really need more. And yes, more like Samus Aran example. I don't want to see the ultra busty female protagonist either. Their just needs to be that balance, that I don't think many gamer makers are willing to put in
I've said that on here before. If I wanted to watch porn, I'd watch porn. There's a commonly held fear about the upcoming Team Ninja/Nintendo Metroid project that Samus will be reduced to wank material. If you watch the video, though, it appears Nintendo's keeping those breast physics enthusiasts in check.
 

funguy2121

New member
Oct 20, 2009
3,407
0
0
I Framed OJ said:
See in this situation, such as playing as a woman in MW2 is that people care if girls die. Now, don't get me wrong, we also care about men dying. But the world is sexist. No matter what anyone says, and the world needs sexism. Science is going to be called sexist. Now, remember about 5 or so years ago a female US soldier got caught behind enemy lines? Then there was a hudge press coverage about how they rescued her? Well she had 5 guys whom where all beaten much much worse than her, I think most of the guys whom where captured died. Anyway, the world was more concernd with the well being of this one woman then the other 20 men in her squad, most of which died. So if we put too many girls in games, feminists are going to complain somehow. I don't know where I am going but I am sure I left at least one point. Note I have 0 to no resources on the numbers and I can't be botherd looking it up, but you get the idea.
Her story was made up by the Bush White House. She later came out with the truth. That's why it was blown up. She was captured, but her feats of bravery were manufactured to distract from our heavy casualties and reasons for being in Iraq in the first place. Her gender had absolutely nothing to do with the reaction. She was young, idealistic, seemed genuine and was kinda cute. Of course the White House took it and ran with it.
 

funguy2121

New member
Oct 20, 2009
3,407
0
0
bagodix said:
funguy2121 said:
Really? Read your statements. You made exactly that claim.
Where?

funguy2121 said:
Destal said:
Women are certainly allowed to join the military, however they are still not allowed into combat jobs in the US.
I don't know why everyone thinks this. Women are involved in combat in the US military.
Not being allowed to do combat jobs is not the same thing as not being allowed to engage in combat.
Ok, let me open up a few windows here. You got so heated in telling everyone to eff off, I think you genuinely may have forgotten some of your statements. Let me find the quote...
 

funguy2121

New member
Oct 20, 2009
3,407
0
0
bagodix said:
It's completely true. Women are equal now, in some cases far more equal than men. Feminism's goal is not equality, but warfare against men (and any women who don't get on board the feminist train). If you want equality, you have to fight feminism.
Now please don't ask me to quote you again.

As far as women having an official combat status vs. shooting at bad guys and having them shoot back, do I really have to point out how moot the distinction is? Go back a page or two and follow the link. Women are seeing combat, and I think that's a good thing. It's a volunteer army, and if someone proves a good asset to us, whether as a medic or a sniper or a pilot, we should let them do their part.
 

funguy2121

New member
Oct 20, 2009
3,407
0
0
bagodix said:
funguy2121 said:
Now please don't ask me to quote you again.
Where did I say "across the globe?" You are just assuming I was talking about the global population.

As far as women having an official combat status vs. shooting at bad guys and having them shoot back, do I really have to point out how moot the distinction is?
That's like saying there's no difference between civilians and cops because civilians may occasionally have to shoot at people too.
I won't address the first portion again because, like I told Kermit, I'm not going to repeat myself and quote you over and over again. That's not honest debate, it's the variety of nitpicking that near-age siblings get into as they approach puberty.

Your analogy does not apply. I would never state that more than 1/2% of civilians will ever HAVE to shoot a gun, anywhere. If your fiance/sister/niece came home from Iraq in a body bag, would you then claim that she was not involved in combat? Do you understand what a medic does in the field? If you actually researched this you would realize that female soldiers are fighting in both countries every day, and that they die on a regular basis as a result.
 

funguy2121

New member
Oct 20, 2009
3,407
0
0
No, you just called them civilians. Which means that, like the federal government, you are unwilling to extend to them the same respect as all the other soldiers who fight and die for us.
 

funguy2121

New member
Oct 20, 2009
3,407
0
0
Like I said, no more quoting of you or me.
bagodix said:
funguy2121 said:
No, you just called them civilians. Which means that, like the federal government, you are unwilling to extend to them the same respect as all the other soldiers who fight and die for us.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Like I said, no more quoting of you or me. If you really wanna know, you can scroll up a few entries.
 

MortisLegio

New member
Nov 5, 2008
1,258
0
0
I would just like to see some real customization in FPS other than color and weapons loadout. is it really so hard to create something where you can just change the clothes? I wouldnt mind if they had it were you could choose what sex you are, it just adds to the experience.
 

Therumancer

Citation Needed
Nov 28, 2007
9,909
0
0
mstickle said:
I'm a gamer, I'm female and I have a love of FPS based games. I play Halo 3 online and recently Modern Warfare 2. These games and many other I enjoy are very much aimed at the male demograhpic, with males overwhelmingly dominating the player base it's pretty obvious that this is the right group to market to. But there are girls that play these, I'm one of them and very occasionally (maybe once a week) I come across another girl.

There are some games that cater to the rare female, L4D has Zoey to play, Borderlands has lillith, Fallout 3 and a many others allow you to create you own character male or female.

I guess what I'm getting at here is that some games seem to forget about girls altogether. Halo has some inclusion, you have the ability the change you death screams to female. I guess what annoys me about that is it seems a little like a half baked after thought. If you play as an elite you still have the Spartan female voice, the elite death screams are the funniest in the game and I don't think I should have to change to male just to have them.

But then we come to Modern Warfare 2. The only real customisation of your dude is the weapon you choose can dictate the camo you wear (snipers wear ghillie suits for example). Of course there are the call signs, I currently have Compainion Crate (pink hearts) and the pink soap emblem - but that's a bit of an overgirly for me because I don't have any other 'girl' options, but then I've seen guys use those too. The thing that actually got me think about all this was one of the accolades - ALPHA MALE: Killed most of lower rank, I in jest said to my husband "that's a bit sexist". As I thought more about it I wondered why there was no option to have a female charater in multiplayer, obviously the story is based on specific people so I don't expect it in campaign (come to think of it the only females I remember in the single player were the victims from the airport. Odd, women join the military now right?)

Funny, I just remembered something from COD4 too, the only female I remember managed to crash her heli only to have you risk your life to save her...

So, Escapist community, what are you thoughts on this? Do you think the could be a little more for those of us females that enjoy these games? And, what are your thoughts on the portyal of females in games?


I view such issues as being similar to allegations of racism in games which can be argued in similar terms: almost without exception ridiculous. In fact I generally feel that trying to cater to such "complaints" actually causes more problems and thus should be ignored entirely.

Now before you or anyone else get upset with me, I will point out several things:


#1: Many games include a pre-designed protaganist, around which they carefully construct a world and/or personality. Some characters are men, others are women. Saying that it's somehow "wrong" for Master Chief to be exclusively male, is like claiming that it's wrong to have Lara Croft or Bayonetta be women. The company tries to cater to those making complaints by adding a female voice and of course there are more complaints connected to this (like the comments about the elite). Simply put trying to make a friendly gesture towards a group of people even with ridiculous complaints just means that they were heard and they complain more.

#2: Like it or not you live in a sexist world. In general there are at least massive efforts made towards "Womens sufferage" throughout the first world, but still like 80% of the globe has women as second class citizens at best. A lot could be said about this, but I'm not about to write an essay on feminism and discrimination since it would make a long rant even longer.

What this means in simple terms however is that for certain game concepts a female protaganist can destroy the entire concept, especially in a context where the game is trying to be realistic. For all the comments to the contrary there are a lot of women's issues in Russia (never mind The Middle East, and Asian). The CIA for example (to referance Modern Warfare 2) is not going to get an "inside woman" in a terrorist organization, or at least not as easily as they will a dude. As a result having the protaganist of Modern Warfare 2 being a dude makes perfect sense. If they were striking to be more campy (like say the TV show Alias) then they could easily have a female agent option with little difficulty, but they aren't trying to really go that route.


#3: In contrast to points 1 and 2 I will say I'm all about character customization. Truthfully I consider being handed a pre-made character like "You are Lance Studdly" or whatever a strike against a game, given how games like Saint's Row 2 have demonstrated that it's possible to customize a game around differant voice tracks and apperances. Thus I feel there is increasingly less excuse for people to say be strapped into the role of Nico Bellic" or whatever instead of creating their own dude or dudette. That said however in some cases I can see where things might be limited by point #2 above especially when trying to deal with things like the modern infiltration of a terrorist organization, or even most organized crime syndicates (all comments about gun molls aside, the odds of the mafia ever recruiting and eventually 'making' a girl off the street are pretty much zero for example).

I won't be playing MW2 for a while, but honestly I see this as a non-issue.

... and honestly I kind of would like to see a protest cry by "manly men" to have an option to replace Bayonetta with a male lead when the game comes out just to see if the company can be forced into a compromise for yucks. :)
 

Slayer_2

New member
Jul 28, 2008
2,475
0
0
Yes, because the definition of a troll is a person whose opinions are unpopular!
No... It's an idiot who posts simply to try and piss people off. Like, oh I don't know, YOU!

What the fuck are you babbling about anyway? I repeat: I have never encountered any "hazing" in any of the MP games I've played. How the fuck does saying that make me a troll? Just do the Internet a favor and stop posting.
Well obviously you aren't really a gamer then. You probably don't know what Xbox Live is. Oh and it's ok, "hazing" is a real word, you don't have to put it in quotation marks every time you type it :)

P.S. Why don't you do us that favor, seeing as how no-one here likes trolls.
 

mstickle

New member
Sep 11, 2009
131
0
0
Therumancer said:
I would never suggest a change in protagonist just because someone thinks it PC. As far as MW2 and Halo are concerned I speak only of the multiplayer, MW2 for a female avatar in the MP and Halo, I just ask for a little consistancy. Male elites sound different from human males, so the female elites shoud not sound like humans. The games that I reference that have a female option or customisable option heppen to be story based because they just happen to be the only games that offer the option at the moment.

If a story is about a guy then it should stay that way FFS. Same for a story about a female.