Girls and the games aimed at men

[CerealKiller]

I think it's messed up that people think that females have no place in MW2. Lets face it reprisents modern warfare just like WW2 games reprisent WW2, females have a place in modern wars and it's fucked up that people still think that women can't fight in wars today.

They don't fight in wars. They may incidentally end up fighting in places like Iraq/Afghanistan, but it's not like they're running around sabotaging military bases with SAS or Delta. Having female soldiers in MW2 multiplayer wouldn't fit the setting. As Run DMC once sang, it's like that and that's the way it is.

Yes and no, its one more of where perspective,assumption and fiction collide , war for the most part is fought on the ground by males, while not strictly true it is perceived that way and msot fiction is wrote along that perspective.

You make it sound like it's just a myth.

Its difficult enough for modern game writers to write in gender roles without cocking things up if you will...but not assigning people roles and to ignore their gender and societal assumptions is an impossibility.... sure I would like to see it done.... but I don't think they could handle it... their lil generic brains would fry....

Excuse me but i have a lil generic brain and i don't get this.Why should we ignore,for instance,genders?Are they bad,are they wrong,are they an illusion?
While we're at it,nowdays i find it hard why it's so bad calling a man "man" and a woman "woman".

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

The title is off a smidge. These games you listed are not aimed at men, they are aimed at boys.

Collage kids are men...kinda.........hell modern media is aimed at "boys" regardless of who they try and aim it at 9 out of ten 10 times >>(and women are girls with with more issues...one being boys, the other being PMS and the other being other females....we all suck!! LOL ><)

 

[Flos]

Female's can do 90% of military jobs Excluding: Frontline combat, NBC (nuclear, biological and Chemical) work or anythink that has a chance to mess up there internal organs. not sure if the us has the same but since im australian and the US basically trained us i think it might be.

OP: learn to adapt to your surrounding's.

I don't think this is a case. I know a woman who works in the Navy as a nuclear something-rather, and I've been talking to recruiters about becoming a nuclear engineer. They seem cool with it.

Metroid Prime, Borderlands (optionally), Left 4 Dead/2 (optionally), Portal...

Do games that have 'silent heroes' count, though? You could replace Chell with a block of cheese and nobody would notice. Same with Samus. Neither of them have character and nothing but their boobs even identify them as female.

Left 4 Dead does have a female lead, though. Borderlands probably shouldn't count because it's in the same kind of pitfall as Fallout 3 and Mass Effect. Yeah, you can play a female, but is that what the devs intended, or are you really only playing a boob version of the male lead's journey?

 

[AWC Viper]

Female's can do 90% of military jobs Excluding: Frontline combat, NBC (nuclear, biological and Chemical) work or anythink that has a chance to mess up there internal organs. not sure if the us has the same but since im australian and the US basically trained us i think it might be.

OP: learn to adapt to your surrounding's.

I don't think this is a case. I know a woman who works in the Navy as a nuclear something-rather, and I've been talking to recruiters about becoming a nuclear engineer. They seem cool with it.

NBC work is not the same as Nuclear Engineer. like making Anthrax and Weaponising plutonium, and it's not about "girls can do anything a guy can" is due to Workplace health and Safety. it's to protect women so they can still have children after they leave the military, also the last thing a defence force want's is to have radioactive children running around and them to get the blame for it.

OP: i stand by my previous post.

 

[CloakedOne]

There could be more female appeasement out there. True that the gaming industry is widely male-dominated, but that's changing and I think that the gaming companies are recognizing that little by little. Are they doing this enough? I'd say no, and that's true in so many other aspects of our society too. Women have come a long way, but they still have a ways to go to be equally recognized.

Real women are still not depicted properly in games. Despite a severe lack of muscles on most of them, women are able to do these amazing feats that require much more body strength than their character models would imply. Who do I blame for this? People like Angelina Jolee. She wanted to be a model for women, but I think she's hurting them. She looks like she can barely open a door let alone pull of martial arts with the destructive force that her characters can or pull off those impressive acrobatics. The supermodel woman is creating impossible standards. can women be strong and still look beautiful? Yes. Can a woman look like a tiny-bodied stick and still be able to take care of herself the way that games imply she can? Some yes and some no of course, but the point is that games and the other parts of the media provide only one example of what a woman can be (and therefore what she should be). According to video games, a woman must have breasts that are at least a C cup, a gorgeous face, fit (but not too fit, guys don't like muscles most of the time), feminine, and revealing. She can't be too deep, either, she can only inspire the protagonist to be deeper himself. A woman is a lot like a vase: she is meant to be beautiful and enhance the environment, but doesn't actually affect that environment.


Some may ask if this is a big deal. I say of course it is. Many say that there is no need for feminism because women are equal now. This is not entirely true, not by a long shot. We need to ask questions like what you've presented or we'll never move toward true equality.

For those who say "If I were a girl, I wouldn't care": You're not a girl so you don't know what it's like. And no, you can't really guess what it's like either, the same way girls can't truly understand what it's like to be a guy.

There, I'm done. I'm sure that will inspire plenty of flames to be spewed my way, but that's what I think about the subject.

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

I think it's messed up that people think that females have no place in MW2. Lets face it reprisents modern warfare just like WW2 games reprisent WW2, females have a place in modern wars and it's fucked up that people still think that women can't fight in wars today.

They don't fight in wars. They may incidentally end up fighting in places like Iraq/Afghanistan, but it's not like they're running around sabotaging military bases with SAS or Delta. Having female soldiers in MW2 multiplayer wouldn't fit the setting. As Run DMC once sang, it's like that and that's the way it is.

Yes and no, its one more of where perspective,assumption and fiction collide , war for the most part is fought on the ground by males, while not strictly true it is perceived that way and msot fiction is wrote along that perspective.

You make it sound like it's just a myth.

Its difficult enough for modern game writers to write in gender roles without cocking things up if you will...but not assigning people roles and to ignore their gender and societal assumptions is an impossibility.... sure I would like to see it done.... but I don't think they could handle it... their lil generic brains would fry....

Excuse me but i have a lil generic brain and i don't get this.Why should we ignore,for instance,genders?Are they bad,are they wrong,are they an illusion?
While we're at it,nowdays i find it hard why it's so bad calling a man "man" and a woman "woman".

A myth...not so much but well just because its a hang up with how the army functions today should make that reality an absolute in fictional media....

You're better than me a fool who thinks he can barely write
Anyway its not so much about ignoring gender as all the predictable traps "pop media" writers place them in, you can have a modern war game set with an equal amount of genders in it and ignore the whole male/female thing(or even maybe have it setup where they are desensitized and trained not to give a holy fuck about gender) and focus instead on "who"(I am so and so from someplace and became this because of my own will and interests) they are instead of "what"(I am a girl/boy/homosexual/insert generic gender type into slot A,who likes or hates guys/people/dogs/ insert social issues into slot B,who admired my father/Mother/ insert parental issues into slot C and became a solider/marine/warrior/ insert generic alpha male title into slot D) they are.


Get it or did I talk myself into a corner again? 0-o

 

[CerealKiller]

There could be more female appeasement out there. True that the gaming industry is widely male-dominated, but that's changing and I think that the gaming companies are recognizing that little by little. Are they doing this enough? I'd say no, and that's true in so many other aspects of our society too. Women have come a long way, but they still have a ways to go to be equally recognized.

Real women are still not depicted properly in games. Despite a severe lack of muscles on most of them, women are able to do these amazing feats that require much more body strength than their character models would imply. Who do I blame for this? People like Angelina Jolee. She wanted to be a model for women, but I think she's hurting them. She looks like she can barely open a door let alone pull of martial arts with the destructive force that her characters can or pull off those impressive acrobatics. The supermodel woman is creating impossible standards. can women be strong and still look beautiful? Yes. Can a woman look like a tiny-bodied stick and still be able to take care of herself the way that games imply she can? Some yes and some no of course, but the point is that games and the other parts of the media provide only one example of what a woman can be (and therefore what she should be). According to video games, a woman must have breasts that are at least a C cup, a gorgeous face, fit (but not too fit, guys don't like muscles most of the time), feminine, and revealing. She can't be too deep, either, she can only inspire the protagonist to be deeper himself. A woman is a lot like a vase: she is meant to be beautiful and enhance the environment, but doesn't actually affect that environment.


Some may ask if this is a big deal. I say of course it is. Many say that there is no need for feminism because women are equal now. This is not entirely true, not by a long shot. We need to ask questions like what you've presented or we'll never move toward true equality.

For those who say "If I were a girl, I wouldn't care": You're not a girl so you don't know what it's like. And no, you can't really guess what it's like either, the same way girls can't truly understand what it's like to be a guy.

There, I'm done. I'm sure that will inspire plenty of flames to be spewed my way, but that's what I think about the subject.

"Flames"?Are you kidding?You better get ready for a personal fanclub!! xD

Other than that,i have a couple of things to comment on but i wont (don't ask why).

 

[Bakaferret]

Hello my fellow female gamer. I'll keep this short and sweet 'cause I just wanted to say you're not alone.

Basically, it makes sense. Females are VERY much the minority. Although I know a few of my female friends who do game, the amount of my male friends that do it exponentially greater. While targeting (or attempting to include) a minority audience may please that minority, it's not really a sound strategy. A good game can pull it off...like Fallout and the like. But it's not gonna change any time soon.

Also, be thankful you're not (I assume) a BLACK female gamer like me. I think the grand total of black female video game characters is 1 1/2 (Rochelle in L4D2 is one...Sheva from RE5 only counts as half in my vote since she's more of an afterthought thrown in to say "Hey, RE5 isn't racist! Here's a "black" chick!" IMO).

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

There could be more female appeasement out there. True that the gaming industry is widely male-dominated, but that's changing and I think that the gaming companies are recognizing that little by little. Are they doing this enough? I'd say no, and that's true in so many other aspects of our society too. Women have come a long way, but they still have a ways to go to be equally recognized.

Real women are still not depicted properly in games. Despite a severe lack of muscles on most of them, women are able to do these amazing feats that require much more body strength than their character models would imply. Who do I blame for this? People like Angelina Jolee. She wanted to be a model for women, but I think she's hurting them. She looks like she can barely open a door let alone pull of martial arts with the destructive force that her characters can or pull off those impressive acrobatics. The supermodel woman is creating impossible standards. can women be strong and still look beautiful? Yes. Can a woman look like a tiny-bodied stick and still be able to take care of herself the way that games imply she can? Some yes and some no of course, but the point is that games and the other parts of the media provide only one example of what a woman can be (and therefore what she should be). According to video games, a woman must have breasts that are at least a C cup, a gorgeous face, fit (but not too fit, guys don't like muscles most of the time), feminine, and revealing. She can't be too deep, either, she can only inspire the protagonist to be deeper himself. A woman is a lot like a vase: she is meant to be beautiful and enhance the environment, but doesn't actually affect that environment.


Some may ask if this is a big deal. I say of course it is. Many say that there is no need for feminism because women are equal now. This is not entirely true, not by a long shot. We need to ask questions like what you've presented or we'll never move toward true equality.

For those who say "If I were a girl, I wouldn't care": You're not a girl so you don't know what it's like. And no, you can't really guess what it's like either, the same way girls can't truly understand what it's like to be a guy.

There, I'm done. I'm sure that will inspire plenty of flames to be spewed my way, but that's what I think about the subject.

I hate over done character designs either it be in muscle or breast, male or female, but I has issues with certain aesthetics some are ok some make my brains hurt especially anything over a DD...good lord..... give it a break already my back hurts just looking at them ><.

As for

For those who say "If I were a girl, I wouldn't care": You're not a girl so you don't know what it's like. And no, you can't really guess what it's like either, the same way girls can't truly understand what it's like to be a guy.

It really depends on the individual, some people are able to imagine all the steress'ers/stress points a person of race/color/creed goes though in life and can make an intelligent even if assumed opinion...but then again most people can;t think past themselves long enough to be let to make such a opinion. LOL

I may be male but I tend to side on most arguments from a females perspective...simply because they have to put up with us males

 

[CloakedOne]

There could be more female appeasement out there. True that the gaming industry is widely male-dominated, but that's changing and I think that the gaming companies are recognizing that little by little. Are they doing this enough? I'd say no, and that's true in so many other aspects of our society too. Women have come a long way, but they still have a ways to go to be equally recognized.

Real women are still not depicted properly in games. Despite a severe lack of muscles on most of them, women are able to do these amazing feats that require much more body strength than their character models would imply. Who do I blame for this? People like Angelina Jolee. She wanted to be a model for women, but I think she's hurting them. She looks like she can barely open a door let alone pull of martial arts with the destructive force that her characters can or pull off those impressive acrobatics. The supermodel woman is creating impossible standards. can women be strong and still look beautiful? Yes. Can a woman look like a tiny-bodied stick and still be able to take care of herself the way that games imply she can? Some yes and some no of course, but the point is that games and the other parts of the media provide only one example of what a woman can be (and therefore what she should be). According to video games, a woman must have breasts that are at least a C cup, a gorgeous face, fit (but not too fit, guys don't like muscles most of the time), feminine, and revealing. She can't be too deep, either, she can only inspire the protagonist to be deeper himself. A woman is a lot like a vase: she is meant to be beautiful and enhance the environment, but doesn't actually affect that environment.


Some may ask if this is a big deal. I say of course it is. Many say that there is no need for feminism because women are equal now. This is not entirely true, not by a long shot. We need to ask questions like what you've presented or we'll never move toward true equality.

For those who say "If I were a girl, I wouldn't care": You're not a girl so you don't know what it's like. And no, you can't really guess what it's like either, the same way girls can't truly understand what it's like to be a guy.

There, I'm done. I'm sure that will inspire plenty of flames to be spewed my way, but that's what I think about the subject.

"Flames"?Are you kidding?You better get ready for a personal fanclub!! xD

Other than that,i have a couple of things to comment on but i wont (don't ask why).

You're not going to comment? I find that refreshing. Not because I don't want someone who disagrees or anything. It's more about I'm amazed to meet someone who sees something that could inspire backlash, a person that even has some lash to give back, and chooses to walk away and not give his/her opinion like everyone else has a compulsive need to do (I often am included in this group). Thanks for being different though I welcome your ideas should you change your mind.

 

[I Framed OJ]

See in this situation, such as playing as a woman in MW2 is that people care if girls die. Now, don't get me wrong, we also care about men dying. But the world is sexist. No matter what anyone says, and the world needs sexism. Science is going to be called sexist. Now, remember about 5 or so years ago a female US soldier got caught behind enemy lines? Then there was a hudge press coverage about how they rescued her? Well she had 5 guys whom where all beaten much much worse than her, I think most of the guys whom where captured died. Anyway, the world was more concernd with the well being of this one woman then the other 20 men in her squad, most of which died. So if we put too many girls in games, feminists are going to complain somehow. I don't know where I am going but I am sure I left at least one point. Note I have 0 to no resources on the numbers and I can't be botherd looking it up, but you get the idea.

 

[CerealKiller]

I think it's messed up that people think that females have no place in MW2. Lets face it reprisents modern warfare just like WW2 games reprisent WW2, females have a place in modern wars and it's fucked up that people still think that women can't fight in wars today.

They don't fight in wars. They may incidentally end up fighting in places like Iraq/Afghanistan, but it's not like they're running around sabotaging military bases with SAS or Delta. Having female soldiers in MW2 multiplayer wouldn't fit the setting. As Run DMC once sang, it's like that and that's the way it is.

Yes and no, its one more of where perspective,assumption and fiction collide , war for the most part is fought on the ground by males, while not strictly true it is perceived that way and msot fiction is wrote along that perspective.

You make it sound like it's just a myth.

Its difficult enough for modern game writers to write in gender roles without cocking things up if you will...but not assigning people roles and to ignore their gender and societal assumptions is an impossibility.... sure I would like to see it done.... but I don't think they could handle it... their lil generic brains would fry....

Excuse me but i have a lil generic brain and i don't get this.Why should we ignore,for instance,genders?Are they bad,are they wrong,are they an illusion?
While we're at it,nowdays i find it hard why it's so bad calling a man "man" and a woman "woman".

A myth...not so much but well just because its a hang up with how the army functions today should make that reality an absolute in fictional media....

You're better than me a fool who thinks he can barely write
Anyway its not so much about ignoring gender as all the predictable traps "pop media" writers place them in, you can have a modern war game set with an equal amount of genders in it and ignore the whole male/female thing(or even maybe have it setup where they are desensitized and trained not to give a holy fuck about gender) and focus instead on "who"(I am so and so from someplace and became this because of my own will and interests) they are instead of "what"(I am a girl/boy/homosexual/insert generic gender type into slot A,who likes or hates guys/people/dogs/ insert social issues into slot B,who admired my father/Mother/ insert parental issues into slot C and became a solider/marine/warrior/ insert generic alpha male title into slot D) they are.


Get it or did I talk myself into a corner again? 0-o

Those "generic" things you just described makes the whole "who am i" package.

Whatever though,feminine men and mucho women are the "trend" of our days.Who am i to be an obstacle to that.
inb4 "that's not what i meant.that's not what i post" etc etc etc

 

[Mr.Pandah]

Bleh. This complaint annoys me. What is the big deal of playing as some guy in the Army? Or some Spartan in Halo that happens to be a guy? You play the game to enjoy the game, thats why you bought it in the first place, no? There must be something in there that you're having fun with. Just because you can't play as a girl, doesn't make the game any worse.

Look, its not worth it for game developers to put even more time and effort into making a female character model and then adding a slew of customization features just so you feel more at home playing as a girl online.

Why must we always find something to complain about? The gameplay wasn't enough to tide you over? You have to have female character models as well?

 

[JamminOz07]

And, what are your thoughts on the portyal of females in games?

Their boobs usually aren't big enough

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

See in this situation, such as playing as a woman in MW2 is that people care if girls die. Now, don't get me wrong, we also care about men dying. But the world is sexist. No matter what anyone says, and the world needs sexism. Science is going to be called sexist. Now, remember about 5 or so years ago a female US soldier got caught behind enemy lines? Then there was a hudge press coverage about how they rescued her? Well she had 5 guys whom where all beaten much much worse than her, I think most of the guys whom where captured died. Anyway, the world was more concernd with the well being of this one woman then the other 20 men in her squad, most of which died. So if we put too many girls in games, feminists are going to complain somehow. I don't know where I am going but I am sure I left at least one point. Note I have 0 to no resources on the numbers and I can't be botherd looking it up, but you get the idea.

The press...errr entertainment news will sensationalize anything they can for as long as they can, I do not think that female models not being in the game is or any other war game is the issue from that perspective as much as war game of war dolls...er...action figures who are mostly males thus the game is all male on male.... as gay as that sounds I'd rather chose the swimsuit "models" and kick ass in it.... just cause...it would be funny as hell!

 

[Bakaferret]

Now, remember about 5 or so years ago a female US soldier got caught behind enemy lines? Then there was a hudge press coverage about how they rescued her? Well she had 5 guys whom where all beaten much much worse than her, I think most of the guys whom where captured died. Anyway, the world was more concernd with the well being of this one woman then the other 20 men in her squad, most of which died. So if we put too many girls in games, feminists are going to complain somehow.

I kinda don't think that has much to do with being female rather than being a soldier in trouble...I could think of countless situations (especially ones that popped up after 9/11) where a male reporter or male soldier went missing or was captured and it was a huge deal. Also, I really don't think there's a distinction between playing a female character and dying and playing a male character and dying. If that were the case, nearly everyone would be male in WoW.

 

[CerealKiller]

There could be more female appeasement out there. True that the gaming industry is widely male-dominated, but that's changing and I think that the gaming companies are recognizing that little by little. Are they doing this enough? I'd say no, and that's true in so many other aspects of our society too. Women have come a long way, but they still have a ways to go to be equally recognized.

Real women are still not depicted properly in games. Despite a severe lack of muscles on most of them, women are able to do these amazing feats that require much more body strength than their character models would imply. Who do I blame for this? People like Angelina Jolee. She wanted to be a model for women, but I think she's hurting them. She looks like she can barely open a door let alone pull of martial arts with the destructive force that her characters can or pull off those impressive acrobatics. The supermodel woman is creating impossible standards. can women be strong and still look beautiful? Yes. Can a woman look like a tiny-bodied stick and still be able to take care of herself the way that games imply she can? Some yes and some no of course, but the point is that games and the other parts of the media provide only one example of what a woman can be (and therefore what she should be). According to video games, a woman must have breasts that are at least a C cup, a gorgeous face, fit (but not too fit, guys don't like muscles most of the time), feminine, and revealing. She can't be too deep, either, she can only inspire the protagonist to be deeper himself. A woman is a lot like a vase: she is meant to be beautiful and enhance the environment, but doesn't actually affect that environment.


Some may ask if this is a big deal. I say of course it is. Many say that there is no need for feminism because women are equal now. This is not entirely true, not by a long shot. We need to ask questions like what you've presented or we'll never move toward true equality.

For those who say "If I were a girl, I wouldn't care": You're not a girl so you don't know what it's like. And no, you can't really guess what it's like either, the same way girls can't truly understand what it's like to be a guy.

There, I'm done. I'm sure that will inspire plenty of flames to be spewed my way, but that's what I think about the subject.

"Flames"?Are you kidding?You better get ready for a personal fanclub!! xD

Other than that,i have a couple of things to comment on but i wont (don't ask why).

You're not going to comment? I find that refreshing. Not because I don't want someone who disagrees or anything. It's more about I'm amazed to meet someone who sees something that could inspire backlash, a person that even has some lash to give back, and chooses to walk away and not give his/her opinion like everyone else has a compulsive need to do (I often am included in this group). Thanks for being different though I welcome your ideas should you change your mind.

Don't be amazed because i shouldn't post here at all. Believe me,my kind is not welcome here.
I did resist that need with you but not in general.Meh,one mistake more to add to the pile i guess.

 

[CloakedOne]

There could be more female appeasement out there. True that the gaming industry is widely male-dominated, but that's changing and I think that the gaming companies are recognizing that little by little. Are they doing this enough? I'd say no, and that's true in so many other aspects of our society too. Women have come a long way, but they still have a ways to go to be equally recognized.

Real women are still not depicted properly in games. Despite a severe lack of muscles on most of them, women are able to do these amazing feats that require much more body strength than their character models would imply. Who do I blame for this? People like Angelina Jolee. She wanted to be a model for women, but I think she's hurting them. She looks like she can barely open a door let alone pull of martial arts with the destructive force that her characters can or pull off those impressive acrobatics. The supermodel woman is creating impossible standards. can women be strong and still look beautiful? Yes. Can a woman look like a tiny-bodied stick and still be able to take care of herself the way that games imply she can? Some yes and some no of course, but the point is that games and the other parts of the media provide only one example of what a woman can be (and therefore what she should be). According to video games, a woman must have breasts that are at least a C cup, a gorgeous face, fit (but not too fit, guys don't like muscles most of the time), feminine, and revealing. She can't be too deep, either, she can only inspire the protagonist to be deeper himself. A woman is a lot like a vase: she is meant to be beautiful and enhance the environment, but doesn't actually affect that environment.


Some may ask if this is a big deal. I say of course it is. Many say that there is no need for feminism because women are equal now. This is not entirely true, not by a long shot. We need to ask questions like what you've presented or we'll never move toward true equality.

For those who say "If I were a girl, I wouldn't care": You're not a girl so you don't know what it's like. And no, you can't really guess what it's like either, the same way girls can't truly understand what it's like to be a guy.

There, I'm done. I'm sure that will inspire plenty of flames to be spewed my way, but that's what I think about the subject.

I hate over done character designs either it be in muscle or breast, male or female, but I has issues with certain aesthetics some are ok some make my brains hurt especially anything over a DD...good lord..... give it a break already my back hurts just looking at them ><.

As for

For those who say "If I were a girl, I wouldn't care": You're not a girl so you don't know what it's like. And no, you can't really guess what it's like either, the same way girls can't truly understand what it's like to be a guy.

It really depends on the individual, some people are able to imagine all the steress'ers/stress points a person of race/color/creed goes though in life and can make an intelligent even if assumed opinion...but then again most people can;t think past themselves long enough to be let to make such a opinion. LOL

I may be male but I tend to side on most arguments from a females perspective...simply because they have to put up with us males

True, some people can come close to understanding some of the stresses that different peoples experience, but I still think that people simply cannot obtain the true understanding of being the "other" because they are not that gender/race/creed and in some cases could never be. It's just not the same; it's like you said: Imagining. one can imagine the intense pain of losing an arm or other appendage by comparing it to less intense pains that they've had before, but it still can't be duplicated and truly comprehended until it actually happens. However, I don't want to imply that we should never attempt to sympathize like you're saying that some can. I actually recommend quite the contrary. I encourage that people try to imagine what it's like to be the person/group in question. You're saying some people can imagine it. I offer that everyone should imagine it (to springboard off of a good point).

That being said, I respect your point of view despite my inability to completely agree with it. I definitely agree with that last part on a lighter note

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

Bleh. This complaint annoys me. What is the big deal of playing as some guy in the Army? Or some Spartan in Halo that happens to be a guy? You play the game to enjoy the game, thats why you bought it in the first place, no? There must be something in there that you're having fun with. Just because you can't play as a girl, doesn't make the game any worse.

Look, its not worth it for game developers to put even more time and effort into making a female character model and then adding a slew of customization features just so you feel more at home playing as a girl online.

Why must we always find something to complain about? The gameplay wasn't enough to tide you over? You have to have female character models as well?

Umm dude...do you know how many boys would be scrambling to play as the female models? A good majority of them would rather look at something pretty and female being filled with holes than something manly...being....oh gawd...><

I think it's messed up that people think that females have no place in MW2. Lets face it reprisents modern warfare just like WW2 games reprisent WW2, females have a place in modern wars and it's fucked up that people still think that women can't fight in wars today.

They don't fight in wars. They may incidentally end up fighting in places like Iraq/Afghanistan, but it's not like they're running around sabotaging military bases with SAS or Delta. Having female soldiers in MW2 multiplayer wouldn't fit the setting. As Run DMC once sang, it's like that and that's the way it is.

Yes and no, its one more of where perspective,assumption and fiction collide , war for the most part is fought on the ground by males, while not strictly true it is perceived that way and msot fiction is wrote along that perspective.

You make it sound like it's just a myth.

Its difficult enough for modern game writers to write in gender roles without cocking things up if you will...but not assigning people roles and to ignore their gender and societal assumptions is an impossibility.... sure I would like to see it done.... but I don't think they could handle it... their lil generic brains would fry....

Excuse me but i have a lil generic brain and i don't get this.Why should we ignore,for instance,genders?Are they bad,are they wrong,are they an illusion?
While we're at it,nowdays i find it hard why it's so bad calling a man "man" and a woman "woman".

A myth...not so much but well just because its a hang up with how the army functions today should make that reality an absolute in fictional media....

You're better than me a fool who thinks he can barely write
Anyway its not so much about ignoring gender as all the predictable traps "pop media" writers place them in, you can have a modern war game set with an equal amount of genders in it and ignore the whole male/female thing(or even maybe have it setup where they are desensitized and trained not to give a holy fuck about gender) and focus instead on "who"(I am so and so from someplace and became this because of my own will and interests) they are instead of "what"(I am a girl/boy/homosexual/insert generic gender type into slot A,who likes or hates guys/people/dogs/ insert social issues into slot B,who admired my father/Mother/ insert parental issues into slot C and became a solider/marine/warrior/ insert generic alpha male title into slot D) they are.


Get it or did I talk myself into a corner again? 0-o

Those "generic" things you just described makes the whole "who am i" package.

Whatever though,feminine men and mucho women are the "trend" of our days.Who am i to be an obstacle to that.
inb4 "that's not what i meant.that's not what i post" etc etc etc

Yes but the trouble is they focus on the generic stuff to the point they kill the character with generalizations, this is why I hate most "pop media" writing its not smart,witty or deep, its filler to fill the gaps in action and movement.

Look at space above and beyond or Galactica or even star trek(or GI joe to a degree), yes they differentiate male and female, yes they may use generic setups now and then but they do not lose the story or the writing to the mere difference of gender which most "pop media" writers do because doing anything else takes to much time and effort and tends to be lost on their audience anyway.......

 

[Mr.Pandah]

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Bleh. This complaint annoys me. What is the big deal of playing as some guy in the Army? Or some Spartan in Halo that happens to be a guy? You play the game to enjoy the game, thats why you bought it in the first place, no? There must be something in there that you're having fun with. Just because you can't play as a girl, doesn't make the game any worse.

Look, its not worth it for game developers to put even more time and effort into making a female character model and then adding a slew of customization features just so you feel more at home playing as a girl online.

Why must we always find something to complain about? The gameplay wasn't enough to tide you over? You have to have female character models as well?

Umm dude...do you know how many boys would be scrambling to play as the female models? A good majority of them would rather look at something pretty and female being filled with holes than something manly...being....oh gawd...><

I think it's messed up that people think that females have no place in MW2. Lets face it reprisents modern warfare just like WW2 games reprisent WW2, females have a place in modern wars and it's fucked up that people still think that women can't fight in wars today.

They don't fight in wars. They may incidentally end up fighting in places like Iraq/Afghanistan, but it's not like they're running around sabotaging military bases with SAS or Delta. Having female soldiers in MW2 multiplayer wouldn't fit the setting. As Run DMC once sang, it's like that and that's the way it is.

Yes and no, its one more of where perspective,assumption and fiction collide , war for the most part is fought on the ground by males, while not strictly true it is perceived that way and msot fiction is wrote along that perspective.

You make it sound like it's just a myth.

Its difficult enough for modern game writers to write in gender roles without cocking things up if you will...but not assigning people roles and to ignore their gender and societal assumptions is an impossibility.... sure I would like to see it done.... but I don't think they could handle it... their lil generic brains would fry....

Excuse me but i have a lil generic brain and i don't get this.Why should we ignore,for instance,genders?Are they bad,are they wrong,are they an illusion?
While we're at it,nowdays i find it hard why it's so bad calling a man "man" and a woman "woman".

A myth...not so much but well just because its a hang up with how the army functions today should make that reality an absolute in fictional media....

You're better than me a fool who thinks he can barely write
Anyway its not so much about ignoring gender as all the predictable traps "pop media" writers place them in, you can have a modern war game set with an equal amount of genders in it and ignore the whole male/female thing(or even maybe have it setup where they are desensitized and trained not to give a holy fuck about gender) and focus instead on "who"(I am so and so from someplace and became this because of my own will and interests) they are instead of "what"(I am a girl/boy/homosexual/insert generic gender type into slot A,who likes or hates guys/people/dogs/ insert social issues into slot B,who admired my father/Mother/ insert parental issues into slot C and became a solider/marine/warrior/ insert generic alpha male title into slot D) they are.


Get it or did I talk myself into a corner again? 0-o

Those "generic" things you just described makes the whole "who am i" package.

Whatever though,feminine men and mucho women are the "trend" of our days.Who am i to be an obstacle to that.
inb4 "that's not what i meant.that's not what i post" etc etc etc

Yes but the trouble is they focus on the generic stuff to the point they kill the character with generalizations, this is why I hate most "pop media" writing its not smart,witty or deep, its filler to fill the gaps in action and movement.

Look at space above and beyond or Galactica or even star trek(or GI joe to a degree), yes they differentiate male and female, yes they may use generic setups now and then but they do not lose the story or the writing to the mere difference of gender which most "pop media" writers do because doing anything else takes to much time and effort and tends to be lost on their audience anyway.......

Like, ummm...dude, do you know how many people don't really give a shit either? If you are that conscientious about what character model you are playing as, I suspect you have a little more to worry about than playing as a woman or a man.