Give me a reason to play Dota 2 (EDIT: entire new OP)

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NerfedFalcon

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Edit 4: I know that most of the people who would get this edit wouldn't see it, but it'd make me feel better anyway if I just said it. If we're being charitable, I'm sort of a dick. If not, I'm the kind that Republicans distance themselves from. That's why I've been having a lot of difficulty in swallowing my pride, but by this point I don't think I even have any left.

I didn't give the game a fair go. There, I said it.

Now that I think about it, this is going kind of like how I started watching the new My Little Pony series. After wondering what the fuss was about and rather hating it (I thought that Twilight was completely unlikable and the others were stereotypes) I made a thread about it which I didn't expect to get inflammatory within the first ten posts, but it did. So I swore off the whole thing, except one time when I had nothing else to do and realised I didn't give it much of a chance. Now I've seen pretty much the whole show, and I'll admit that it's not perfect, but I do enjoy it on the whole.

Now, if it's at all possible, can we drop the subject of My Little Pony, especially since this is GD and not OTD? (Particularly if we're going to start talking about the show's fandom and not just the show itself.) But trying to judge the game solely on its interface, since I didn't play it long enough to judge anything else, is kind of unfair. Especially now that I know that right clicking buys items at base and so I don't have to spend five minutes trying to work it out.

For what it's worth, and I know that that usually means that I know and you know it's not worth anything at all, I'm sorry I was a dick to all of you in an attempt to judge something I didn't actually know properly. I do already know League, and it's easier to just stick to what you already know, but...I don't know. Maybe I still feel like I have something to prove, or maybe I'm just a complete masochist.

Bottom line is, I have nothing better to do right now (at least until Torchlight 2 comes out) than try to lose my existing bias (writing this is actually helping a lot) and actually play the game.

Again, sorry it took me this long to realise that this sort of thing never gets anywhere. And that I tend to be a dick to people.

Wonder if I'll manage to remember what happens when I do this sort of thing longer than two weeks before I make another mortal enemy over the Internet.

Fingers crossed, right?

A friend of mine got me a beta key for the game because he thinks that I'm a casual cancer for still playing LoL, even though Dota 2 still isn't out of 'open' beta. So I eventually managed to get a game (seriously, the accept/decline thing is something that should be erased from existence in every universe) and from what I could tell, it was basically LoL except much, much more obtuse. It doesn't have a learning curve so much as a learning brick wall that starts from the instant you boot up the game - especially since the difficulty options outright lie. It should be more along the lines of 'Normal mode: I have played DotA: Allstars.'

Nobody thinks that I Wanna Be The Guy is a well-designed game for anything except making LP'ers cry. Why does Dota 2 get away with stuff like only having one way to do everything and no hints as to what that way is? That was everything I gleaned from one game, and based solely on that, I don't think it's worth my time to try again. First impressions last, after all.

But in the interest of being fair to a game that's still in 'beta', please give me one good reason (no, 'it's better than LoL because I say so' is not a good reason) to give it a second chance.

If anyone still feels like making good on their previous offers of helping, my Steam username is 'NerfedFalcon' and that's currently my screen name as well. Not expecting anything, but it can't hurt to ask. Right? Please don't prove me wrong on that.
 

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I tried to transition from LoL to DotA 2, it didn't happen.
Since I'm so used to being able to almost instantly spin round and change the path of my character, and the attack animations being so quick, it feels like I'm trying to pilot a forklift rather than a champion when I play DotA.

At "top tier" level the games really don't matter that much anyway, because good players challenge each other, you don't need the actual game to be a challenge in itself.
 

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First of all, the "accept/decline thing" should NOT be removed. If it were, each of those declines would be a game where someone is afk from the start...

Secondly, yes, the game has a learning curve and yes, it's steep as all hell. And yes, there's hardly anything to help you out. There's a simple reason for that - IT'S A BETA. I'm guessing tutorials aren't too high on their priority list. However, they do have bot games if you just want to practice.

As for why you should play it... well, I can tell you why I play it (I also play LOL) - variety. LOL has one single metagame (1-1-2 + Jungler) and 90% of the population doesn't tolerate deviations. Builds are also fairly streamlined as well.

On the other hand, DOTA2 has multiple metas that all work fine (2-1-2, 1-1-2 + Jungler, 1-1-3, 1-2-1 + Jungler, etc.), there are much more options on how to build your character, the items themselves are less about stat stacking and more about active abilities. Also, heroes are more powerful and actually have differing power curves. There's more freedom in picking characters and the class roles aren't quite so dead set.

Now, I'm not saying DOTA2 is better than LOL, both have their strenghts and weaknesses. DOTA2 is more challenging, but it also offers more to work with. It punishes mistakes more harshly than LOL, but also rewards sucess more. LOL is a more guided streamlined experience, while DOTA2 offers more freedom in how to approach the game.
 

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Midgeamoo said:
At "top tier" level the games really don't matter that much anyway, because good players challenge each other, you don't need the actual game to be a challenge in itself.
Look Midge, I really don't mean to offend or flame you here, but I have to say it: that is the most stupid thing I have read all week.

This is not only coming from someone who's a bit of a DOTA 2 fanboy, but also from someone who knows his fair share about competitive play (be that in esports or "real" sports). My opinion isn't the end all be all on this stuff but I know enough to say, with confidence, that that argument is a load of tripe.
Explain why then instead of just going "ohhohoho you silly fool, your opinion is snortworthy *snort*".
 

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Midgeamoo said:
At "top tier" level the games really don't matter that much anyway, because good players challenge each other, you don't need the actual game to be a challenge in itself.
Look Midge, I really don't mean to offend or flame you here, but I have to say it: that is the most stupid thing I have read all week.

This is not only coming from someone who's a bit of a DOTA 2 fanboy, but also from someone who knows his fair share about competitive play (be that in esports or "real" sports). My opinion isn't the end all be all on this stuff but I know enough to say, with confidence, that that argument is a load of tripe.
Argh, maybe it is, or maybe I didn't put across what I'm trying to say right.
I mean that top tier MOBA players could probably fuck shit up on both DotA and LoL, but they just have their preferred game. It's all about using what each game gives you in the most efficient way possible, making the most of what you have and knowing exactly what it is every enemy has to use, you can apply the same mindset to both games, it's just the heroes have different skills/speeds/items blah blah blah. I really do KNOW that what I'm trying to say isn't that stupid, it's just I'm very bad at getting my thoughts into text.

Also, stupidest thing all week? That does sting a bit since I saw that you commented in that fucking ridiculous Minecraft Party Sexual Harassment thread -_-
 

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Midgeamoo said:
At "top tier" level the games really don't matter that much anyway, because good players challenge each other, you don't need the actual game to be a challenge in itself.
Look Midge, I really don't mean to offend or flame you here, but I have to say it: that is the most stupid thing I have read all week.

This is not only coming from someone who's a bit of a DOTA 2 fanboy, but also from someone who knows his fair share about competitive play (be that in esports or "real" sports). My opinion isn't the end all be all on this stuff but I know enough to say, with confidence, that that argument is a load of tripe.
Looks like someone got killed by a karthus ult :3 (Not sure if you have played LoL before)

OT: I don't have a reason, I haven't played Dota 2 and LoL is awesome anyway :3
 

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It's free verbal abuse for the whole family, I mean you haveto pay good money for that sort of shit on Xbox... bargain of the century right there :p
 

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Dota 2 is in a beta phase, and there will be in game tutorials and coaching when the game is released.

In the meantime, read guides, spectate games, and ask questions.
Ignore any flaming and trolling, it's not worth your time and energy to associate with them.

The main reason I prefer Dota 2 over LoL is because Dota 2's meta is more flexible and it offers the player more choices.

Lane composition that work in LoL:
1. One top, one mid, two bot, jungler.

Lane compositions that work in Dota 2:
1. One top, one mid, two bot, jungler.
2. Two top, one mid, two bot.
3. Three top, one mid, one bot.
4. One top, one mid, three bot.
5. One top, one mid, one bot, two roaming.
6. One top, one mid, one bot, one jungle, one roaming.

In addition to counter picking against heroes, you can also build items to counter heroes due to Dota 2 having a lot more active items than LoL.
1. Orchid of Malevolence silences a hero and increases damage they take by 25% from all sources. It's great against casters who rely on their abilities like Storm Spirit.
2. Black King Bar gives you magic immunity for a few seconds when used. It's great against heavy AoE teams, although there are stuns that can do through magic immunity.
3. Scythe of Vyse hexes an enemy, turning them into a harmless pig for a few seconds.

The heroes in Dota 2 are so much more varied than LoL's homogenized heroes.
1. Invoker has ten spells that he can use depending on how he combines his reagents.
2. Storm Spirit can fly around the map depending on how much mana he has.
3. Ancient Apparition's ultimate prevents all healing an regeneration and instantly kills if the affected hero's hp falls under 11% of their maximum hp.
4. Faceless Void's ultimate can freeze and area in time (including your own teammates if you're not careful.)
5. Rubick can steal the last ability used by a hero and turn it back on them.

There are many different ways win the game in Dota 2.
1. You can go "four protect one," where your team is built to 4v5 for up to 30 minutes so that your late game carry can farm to the highest potential.
2. You can go with a heavy pushing team that can take down a barracks under 18 minutes.
3. You can go with a team that's really powerful early game and win under 30 minutes.

It's also easier to come back in Dota 2.
1. Abilities don't scale into the late game (with a few exceptions like Silencer.)
2. Items scale downward in gold efficiency. Stat per gold spent decreases as the game goes on.
3. Early game heroes that may do well in the early game fall off late game.


It may take some time to learn the ins and outs of DotA, but know this, everything is there for a reason. It may some convoluted, but once you've spent enough time you'll see how valuable things like denying, creep stacking, tree juking, turning speed, and base attack timer is.
 

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
lRookiel said:
SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Midgeamoo said:
At "top tier" level the games really don't matter that much anyway, because good players challenge each other, you don't need the actual game to be a challenge in itself.
Look Midge, I really don't mean to offend or flame you here, but I have to say it: that is the most stupid thing I have read all week.

This is not only coming from someone who's a bit of a DOTA 2 fanboy, but also from someone who knows his fair share about competitive play (be that in esports or "real" sports). My opinion isn't the end all be all on this stuff but I know enough to say, with confidence, that that argument is a load of tripe.
Looks like someone got killed by a karthus ult :3 (Not sure if you have played LoL before)
Call me when an enemy hero kills you - with your own ult ;)
You have peaked my interest, I have not yet played DOTA 2 so maybe it's time to give it a shot. Ofcourse it will take FOREVER to download on my internet -.-
 

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DotA has superior champions imo. The srs bsns moba types won't say this but it really is all about the fun. I had much more fun playing DotA: Allstars than I've had playing LoL and I think a lot of that has to do with the toons being more fun to play.
 

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I've seen some crazy shit in the DOTA 2 videos i've watched. Blitzcrank 2.0 who can hook his own team from crazy range, some spells have ridiculous effects (5 second stun? Turns your entire team invisible for a time? On the same character?!)


But none of these characters seem as interesting to me as the LoL Champions. Sure LoL has it's share of boring generic characters as well but... I don't know. I look through the entire character list, watch gameplay footage etc etc but I can't find a single truly interesting character.

That's G fucking G as far as i'm concerned.

One exception. Templar Assassin. She's pretty cool looking with her invisiblity, God Mode, blade thingies and traps. I like her facination with secrets mainly though. Reminds me of me :)

She's no Irelia though. Nowhere near. Love that girl <3

[sub]You rely on your weapons too much... Try letting go![/sub]


This is all a moot point anyway, since my laptop can't run DOTA 2 for shit. You need to down the settings to lowest so everything is a mess of polygons. Perfectly functional polygons mind. However half the fun in these games is seeing all the cool effects spells have so fuck that.

Shocking as this may be to some people, but I would be perfectly happy with splitting my time between both DOTA 2 and LoL. I think I would enjoy DOTA but why should I have to "switch over" completely at all? There's room in this world for both y'know.
 

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I enjoy Lol alot more then DOTA 2.

The champions in DOTA 2 seem to be crazy OP and the items are meh. like lots of activates which i hate
 

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
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Okay. So you think I'm a casual cancer as well as my IRL friend who gave me the game. That's what I got out of that massive wall of text you posted. And here I thought it was a vocal minority of Dota 2 players who think that anyone who plays any other MOBA doesn't deserve to own a PC. Well, guess I was wrong - and that's just one more reason not to change.
 

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Hrm... Thats a hard one. Massive head trauma? Sadomasochistic tendencies? Lost a bet? I mean to each their own, but It didnt take me long to see that MOBAs are not something I find enjoyable. So good luck in justification hunting. Even if you dont find a reason hey look at it on the bright side, you would freed up time to do something else you would enjoy more.
 

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This thread is rather silly. If you want to play LoL then play LoL, if you want to play DotA2 then play DotA2. Why should any of us care about what you do? This is borderline flame-baiting if you ask me.