Glaring plot holes in games

[darth.pixie]

Neverwinter Nights 2 has quite a lot.

For example: If the gargoyles were watching you during the OC how did no one actually see them? You had Bishop who was suppose to notice everything. Elanee who would have sensed something. Ammon who is extremely paranoid, not to mention the KC, who can be all of those combined.

Why is the sword so damn weak? You'd think a legendary sword would pack more punch...

Why did they close down Blacklake?

Spoiler

If demons did it, shouldn't they have been able to teleport in and out? How did the gith get into the city? Why, at the trial, didn't anyone bring up the fact that the PC was a paladin and thus would have fallen if he truly would have slaughtered a village? Or were I a drow, have worse odds because you know that drow are bloodthirsty?

So many questions...

I didn't think that more spoiler tags were needed but I will add them if necessary.

 

[DSK-]

Yes, I have one that made me go HERP DERP.

Spoiler

Legion states that Shepard met Sovereign at Ilos - when in fact he met Sovereign at Virmire

 

[Soxafloppin]

Prince of Persia: When the prince dies how does he activate the dagger to turn back time?

And in any sequel to any game why is the main character back to minimum strength again? Where did all his weapons go?

 

[hassifa]

For MW2,

Spoiler

i thought that Shepard intentionally sent the infiltrator on the no-russian mission to be sacrificed intensionally, and that the russians already hated the US in the game due to the previous help that given to them. So when they found the dead american at the airport, their hatred caused a knee-jerk reaction that was the invasion of the US. Shepard's reasoning is that he never felt that the death of his unit in MW1 from the nuke was appreciated, so he wanted to start a new war.

Its been a while since i played MW2 though, so i might have the points mixed up.

And just an off thought, pokemon games and not being able to catch fainted pokemon

 

[Unia]

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As a final cherry on top- oh wait, might be time for spoiler tags

Spoiler

What's-her-name gets pregnant to Lucas. Bad enough that they suddenly have sex right after establishing the guy is clinically dead and doesn't regenerate body heat in mid winter. Ick. You also left out the second matrix-inspired evil sect that suddenly enters in the last hour or so. Maybe it was a self-defence mechanism.

 

[ENKC]

I know it's purely down to artistic licence, but how could the Russians have invaded the States in Modern Warfare 2? Even allowing for temporarily shutting down their air defence network, invading a nation on that scale would take millions of troops. Where did they all come from? You're not telling me they paratrooped hundreds of thousands in within hours. It's a logistical impossibility.

 

[Xcelsior]

Having read the book, some parts of Halo:Reach don't make sense. In Reach Cortana is delivered to the Autumn before they make their jump towards Halo, in the book the Pillar of Autumn is already in space when they Covenant attack it's just that they're called back to help defend.

 

[Darkauthor81]

How about most RPGs, in which magic, curative items and skills don't work outside of combat sequences?

Yeah I was JUST about to post about Final Fantasy 7 on this

 

[Cid Silverwing]

Metal Gear Solid 4. Microwaves...

Spoiler: Microwaves and the MKII

Why send Snake when the damned MKII made it through just fine? It could have stayed in stealth mode and finished the job without the need for Snake to get all crispy.

Otacon tells Snake he can't use stealth while working, saying it's like trying to eat dinner or clean a gun while your hands are invisible (call him when you're at the timed locked door in the disposal warehouse). But then why not just plug the cable in THEN turn on the stealth? Apparently the mini-MG can't hack and stealth at the same time.

Also the Mk.II very visibly blows a few things from the microwaves.

 

[Metzeten]

anc[is]How Shepard knows about thermal clips after being dead for 2 years. They were invented while s/he was dead. Tiny one, but still there

Dude, i was thinking the exact same thing!

I'm gonna go ahead and say that Cerberus probably implanted something in his brain that informed him of them.

Actually in the fluff stuff (might be in the shadow broker base, can't remember) it claims that the clips were developed based on geth tech to allow constant supressive fire... (don't worry I don't understand it either)
Hence its possible shepard knew about the R&D before the normandy got assploded. after all, Presley did say the normandy had been romping about for months before the collector party.

 

[GrizzlerBorno]

I always thought it was because he wanted to make sure he could keep living if his office or home destroyed, or the vita-chambers could only bring you back you were a certain distance from them.

Ok that second one actually makes sense. Still, couldn't he have put all the money it must've taken to build a 100 of the normal ones, into making an upgraded one with better range. Oh well, no point complaining since it's only a gameplay mechanic optimized for ease of use.

 

[GrizzlerBorno]

Yes, I have one that made me go HERP DERP.

Spoiler

Legion states that Shepard met Sovereign at Ilos - when in fact he met Sovereign at Virmire

That's not a plot hole. That's a typo. Some of these fictional name's are hard to remember you know?

 

[Kwatsu]

In God of War, you have to get into the Temple of Pandora to find the famous box. The Temple of Pandora is on a mountain... that's tied to the back of a Titan... who's wandering in an immense desert. Just getting there involves killing murderous sirens, climbing impossible heights and defeating terrifying minotaurs to open the gates. Even Kratos finds it a challenge.

And when you get inside the Temple, in one room where you're swinging along on a rope, there's people fighting the undead all around you... and the fighters are, literally, just random, ordinary legionnaires. The kind who die if Kratos so much as yells at them.

How the heck did they survive this far? And why didn't they leave the bloody door open, and all the traps solved between the door and the room they're in?

 

[UberNoodle]

ARE WE USING THE IMDB TROLL COMMUNITY'S DEFINITION OF 'PLOT HOLE'?

Please remember girls and boys that a 'plothole' is a failure or contradiction in the logic of the PLOT. The STORY is distinct from the plot. A plot for any game is probably no more than 5 lines of text. A story is pages and pages of text and script.

For example, Transformers episodes were full of them. One moment Mr. Autobot flies out of harms way, or uses a lasersword to hack at some enemy. In a later episode, that same Mr. Autobot is unable to solve a problem that flying or a laser sword would fix. THIS is a plot hole - a logic or informational contradiction in the story and world.

Plot holes are NOT ever decision by a character which you think was 'stupid', or an action in the film which you don't understand the reason for. Most of the time these are related to the STORY - what the characters do and say, what kind of people they are, etc. A character might act OUT OF CHARACTER, but that could be intentional. We have all had others tell us that something we did was 'so unlike us'.

The test is this: if you can imagine a reasonable solution to the information gap, without breaking the rules of the story or world, then you've NOT found a plot hole.

 

[-Samurai-]

Metal Gear Solid 4. Microwaves...

Spoiler: Microwaves and the MKII

Why send Snake when the damned MKII made it through just fine? It could have stayed in stealth mode and finished the job without the need for Snake to get all crispy.

Otacon tells Snake he can't use stealth while working, saying it's like trying to eat dinner or clean a gun while your hands are invisible (call him when you're at the timed locked door in the disposal warehouse). But then why not just plug the cable in THEN turn on the stealth? Apparently the mini-MG can't hack and stealth at the same time.

Also the Mk.II very visibly blows a few things from the microwaves.

Which is another thing that always bothered me. Can't hack and use stealth at the same time? What the hell was he thinking when he designed that thing?

Anyway, I think it blows some parts because it's going slowly with Snake. It's a fast little robot that probably could have zipped through there no problem.

Still an awesome scene, though.

 

[Bender Rodriguez]

I guess its in True Crime, after playing for hours the main character just dies on me.

 

[Dr. Paine]

ARE WE USING THE IMDB TROLL COMMUNITY'S DEFINITION OF 'PLOT HOLE'?

Please remember girls and boys that a 'plothole' is a failure or contradiction in the logic of the PLOT. The STORY is distinct from the plot. A plot for any game is probably no more than 5 lines of text. A story is pages and pages of text and script.

For example, Transformers episodes were full of them. One moment Mr. Autobot flies out of harms way, or uses a lasersword to hack at some enemy. In a later episode, that same Mr. Autobot is unable to solve a problem that flying or a laser sword would fix. THIS is a plot hole - a logic or informational contradiction in the story and world.

Plot holes are NOT ever decision by a character which you think was 'stupid', or an action in the film which you don't understand the reason for. Most of the time these are related to the STORY - what the characters do and say, what kind of people they are, etc. A character might act OUT OF CHARACTER, but that could be intentional. We have all had others tell us that something we did was 'so unlike us'.

The test is this: if you can imagine a reasonable solution to the information gap, without breaking the rules of the story or world, then you've NOT found a plot hole.

So, what kind of internet would you like?

 

[UberNoodle]

In God of War, you have to get into the Temple of Pandora to find the famous box. The Temple of Pandora is on a mountain... that's tied to the back of a Titan... who's wandering in an immense desert. Just getting there involves killing murderous sirens, climbing impossible heights and defeating terrifying minotaurs to open the gates. Even Kratos finds it a challenge.

And when you get inside the Temple, in one room where you're swinging along on a rope, there's people fighting the undead all around you... and the fighters are, literally, just random, ordinary legionnaires. The kind who die if Kratos so much as yells at them.

???

It could be a plot hole but Kratos already showed that it wasn't impossible to reach the top of the mountain. That 'regular Joes' were also up there would only be a plot hole if such a possibility had been denied earlier. Those soldiers could have their own epic story. Perhaps they were airlifted in by another god, or used magic. Obviously if there is a temple to Pandora there, there must be accolytes, priests and priestesses. Perhaps those fighters were stationed at the top of the mountain.

You see, 'plot hole' has become of the most misused words by Net geekdom. It doesn't mean a plot or story point, or character action that doesn't 'make sense' (though it may make a lot of sense to somebody else, for example, the creators). It is an explicit failure in the application of the story and world's logic. It doesn't mean an information gap present because of how the narrative is constructed (for example, non-omnipotent narratives only explain what the view point characters can directly experience and discover themselves).

Back when I was a kid, I realised that Optimus Prime never used his giant laser axe again after the first episode of Transformers. That could be a plot hole, if we disregard the possibility that the axe was broken in that fight. Galvatron saying that 'autobots can't fly', after several prior episodes prior showing them able to so, is also a probable plot hole. However, Galvatron could have been lying or mistaken, or just referring to the abilities of Autobots he was with.

Many accused plot holes can be filled, and often they are. But so many people today, especially on forums like IMDB, consider them impossible to fill, simply because they noticed it. If those legionaires up at the temple of Pandora were actually from down below, and climbled their as the hero did, then it would be a good candidate for a plot hole. Yet, as shown, it is one easily filled with imagination.

This is not a 'go' at you btw. I'm just discussing with you.