God of War Team "Pulling Back" From Violence Against Women

[Nomanslander]

Violence against men = A-okay

Violence against women = omg sexist

Of course!

Men are genuinely evil while women are made of sugar and spice - didn't you know that?

lol

^^

 

[Lt._nefarious]

That's sexist! Equality means that if a guy gets his spine torn out through his face by Kratos, he should then murder the closest bystander regardless of sex.

Seriously though that is not equality it's just like saying women are weaker...

 

[Something Amyss]

Didn't they try that in Heavenly Sword?

Okay, a GOOD female Kratos.

 

[Tyler Trahan]

Honestly as long as the game isn't approaching the issue of violence against women in a way so that it is unfairly balanced towards women getting the crap beaten out of them, or it is done in a glorifying nature than whats the problem? If men are going to die in video games why not women? In Fallout 3 when I was shooting Talon Company mercs I didnt care if it was women or men, but it DID help me immerse in a way so that it was a little more realistic. At a certain point you are perpetuating sexism while trying to protect women because in cases like this the violence against women kind of come off sounding like "You can kill all the men you want but you cant kill us! We're just women, why would you want to hurt us?". As a man its kind of insulting... so you can kill a ton of us without caring huh? Fun.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Oh, god damn it. In other words "We've decided to use sexism to fight sexism".

Really, it's more "we can't understand nuance, so we're going to scale back on all types of (X) because we don't understand why people objected to (X) in (product Y) and (Product Z)."

This.

(Although it's not exactly fair to expect the God of War team to understand concepts like nuance or context.)

Right because god of war has never tried to have decent stories. You ever play the first game?

Emphasis on "tried." If I wanted a dark/violent/gritty version of Greek mythology, I'd read one of the epics.

Those games do have context though it's not hastily written. And you can drop the flamebait

Let's put it this way - I've read a few takes on Greek mythology that I thought dialogued with the source material in an interesting way. God of Am I Edgy Yet Guise is not on that level.

Ok you can stop with the flamebait and the stupid hipster "hey guys I'm insulting a game everyone likes, and implying it's fans are immature, aren't I edgy and hip?" routine. I wonder why you're even on this thread.

I wonder though are all games with a lot of brutality fake edgy in your eyes or do you have something more substantive?

God of War is particularly silly because it's an attempt to make a dark/mature/gritty version of greek mythology the that ends up being less dark/gritty/mature than, for instance, the Iliad. It's the video game equivalent of a Hot Topic shirt.

It's not going for gritty just violent and would you please stop trolling. You just keep repeating that it's not good enough over and over.

I'll just leave these here.

http://www.neoseeker.com/resourcelink.html?rlid=103380&rid=96120

http://classics.mit.edu/Homer/iliad.mb.txt

On the topic of violence specifically, see if you can spot the difference between how Homer and David Jaffe handle violence.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Oh, god damn it. In other words "We've decided to use sexism to fight sexism".

Really, it's more "we can't understand nuance, so we're going to scale back on all types of (X) because we don't understand why people objected to (X) in (product Y) and (Product Z)."

This.

(Although it's not exactly fair to expect the God of War team to understand concepts like nuance or context.)

Right because god of war has never tried to have decent stories. You ever play the first game?

Emphasis on "tried." If I wanted a dark/violent/gritty version of Greek mythology, I'd read one of the epics.

Those games do have context though it's not hastily written. And you can drop the flamebait

Let's put it this way - I've read a few takes on Greek mythology that I thought dialogued with the source material in an interesting way. God of Am I Edgy Yet Guise is not on that level.

Ok you can stop with the flamebait and the stupid hipster "hey guys I'm insulting a game everyone likes, and implying it's fans are immature, aren't I edgy and hip?" routine. I wonder why you're even on this thread.

I wonder though are all games with a lot of brutality fake edgy in your eyes or do you have something more substantive?

God of War is particularly silly because it's an attempt to make a dark/mature/gritty version of greek mythology the that ends up being less dark/gritty/mature than, for instance, the Iliad. It's the video game equivalent of a Hot Topic shirt.

It's not going for gritty just violent and would you please stop trolling. You just keep repeating that it's not good enough over and over.

I'll just leave these here.

http://www.neoseeker.com/resourcelink.html?rlid=103380&rid=96120

http://classics.mit.edu/Homer/iliad.mb.txt

On the topic of violence specifically, see if you can spot the difference between how Homer and David Jaffe handle violence.

I'm not reading the entire thing just because you had to in 10th grade and it makes you feel special to brag about it.

You should read it because it's a legitimately excellent classic and a fascinating historical artifact. I actually wouldn't recommend that particular translation, though - I like this one [http://www.amazon.com/Iliad-Penguin-Classics-Deluxe-Edition/dp/0140275363] better.

 

[Treblaine]

I have never gotten a straight answer from women on why the wear heels though I strongly get the impression it is not to be sexually appealing, it is so that they are in similar height to men, particularly on the same eye line so they are not looked down on. They may be uncomfortable and impractical, but high heels PURPOSE is empowering women to compensate for how they tend to be shorter than men. Height is a big factor in how people perceive each other.

If this were true, then strippers performing on stage wouldn't have to wear high heels. In fact, heels are the one article of clothing a stripper will almost never take off. It's purely about sex appeal.

If it was just about height, wouldn't platform shoes be a lot more comfortable?

"If this were true, then strippers performing on stage wouldn't have to wear high heels."

Yeah... they DO NOT have to wear high heels. What are you talking about? Where do stripper HAVE to wear high heels?

I don't know how many strippers you have seen but the only one example I can remember is from the movie Striptease and she didn't wear high heels. It's hardly like high heels are an integral part of what makes erotic dance erotic, high heels are definitely feminine and associated with a certain classiness so I can see why if an erotic dancer would wear any footwear it would be High heels and not flip flops or crocs. And they wouldn't take them off as it's not like they are hiding anything and ... I'm not a dancer but there doesn't seem to be any elegant way to take shoes off.

I can also tell you as a heterosexual man high heels make NO DIFFERENCE to me. It's not like 'What! Bare Foot? That's it, my boner is gone' it's not like high heels enhance a woman's distinct feminine curves like a thong might.

"wouldn't platform shoes be a lot more comfortable? (than high heels)"

Platform shoes give the same amount of elevation, the point is once the heels are raised then the whole body is raised up, raising the toes doesn't help. At least with only high heels the toes one can more closely angle forces by leaning on either side of the balls of the feet. With platform shoes ANY lateral force just causes the ankle to buckle. I think that's the problem, not that the toes are pointed more down, but how the ankle is higher from the ground lateral forces put more strain on that joint. Toes low to the ground help while retaining elevation.

 

[Phasmal]

"wouldn't platform shoes be a lot more comfortable? (than high heels)"

Platform shoes give the same amount of elevation, the point is once the heels are raised then the whole body is raised up, raising the toes doesn't help. At least with only high heels the toes one can more closely angle forces by leaning on either side of the balls of the feet. With platform shoes ANY lateral force just causes the ankle to buckle. I think that's the problem, not that the toes are pointed more down, but how the ankle is higher from the ground lateral forces put more strain on that joint. Toes low to the ground help while retaining elevation.

I'm sorry, are you actually arguing that platform shoes are less comfortable than high heels?
EDIT: If so, that's bullshit. (Added if so because I'm not quite sure what you're arguing here.
As a not too frequent wearer of high heels, I can tell you that they hurt like fuck if you walk around in them for too long.
I'm told by some older women that they hurt less the more you wear them but I've been wearing them on and off since I was sixteen so I'm beginning to think that's a lie.
Platforms are very comfortable by comparison, but it's been a while since I wore any of those.

 

[Treblaine]

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Hmm, how convenient for YOU that YOU merely "don't find it convincing" that they are limited in time and rushed. High Heels aren't stupid if you plan to only be walking around a ship, then as development went things change and they were rushed and sloppy.

"Please elaborate on how that's "basic logical reasoning." "

Because it is reasoning using basic logic, rather than abstract logic.

It's quite clear that female Turians either ARE rare, ARE out of site or ARE indistinguishable from male Turians. Why do they need to spell it out for you? Show, don't tell. Is that depiction of female Turians you linked to of fixed and committed canon? Or is it spin off speculation?

I think it's well established that Bioware has been chugging too much of the EA kool-aid and being unmotivated and trite.

My point was that it was not IN ITSELF a glaring hole "where are the female Turians?" any more than it's a glaring hole in Star Wars "where are the female Ewoks?".

What is the matter with having a character that wasn't totally combat focused? It's not like there weren't female in the Mass Effect universe who were very combat focused (Jack). What is the huge problem? Miranda still fights, but Bioware were sloppy about it, surprise surprise. Mass Effect games ARE sloppy, if you peel away the edges everything falls apart. This is why I can't understand the outrage over the Mass Effect 3 ending, it's not like this is the Citizen Kane of video games, this is a rushed cheeto-munching game. But they aren't sexist. They aren't misogynistic. Just incompetent.

It's not so implausible, please don't be so patronising like wearing high heels totally disables a person. From what I can gather Miranda is no discrete and efficient killing machine, she is very much about style and flair, the trailer for her she is pointing a pistol one handed cocking it slightly at an angle. She's the type of person to be crazy enough to wear heels into combat.

As Raiden and Vamp are as well. I notice you AGAIN ignored that comparison, that Raiden wearing high heels.

 

[Treblaine]

BTW: yes I CAN say that is in common with an Anti-sexist viewpoint in gaming. I don't know what word you REALLY mean, but it is not Anti-sexist to exclude all female from your games to appease conservatives. And have no doubt, these people objecting to this ARE conservatives.

There is no controversy, this is conservatism's last dying gasps trolling the internet by pretending to be feminists and by word association pass as progressive.

I lost the will to argue against you mighty fast. I think you are way too far gone to reach, but I assure you and everyone that there isn't some Bush family conspiracy to turn all the women of video games into submissives from the planet Gor. There just isn't.

Ah the old "you're too far gone to reach" and "I lost the will" fallacy, well I guess you win by insinuating that I've tried your patience rather than applied logic to flawed argument to refute them. Oh and such a common one of radio talk-show host that they always save for the callers with the most scathing insight the "too far gone".

I'm quite sure you will continue to discuss this, but just ignore what I brought up. See you around.

PS: And the straw man of this being about the Bush family, The Bushes and the Republicans aren't the only conservatives in America. Conservative ideologies are not drawn along clan lines.

 

[MattRooney06]

before we start making Kratos be extra kind to women, should we not make sure that women are fine with him how he is, hell one of my mates is a girl and she loves the GOW series, she didn't kill a gorgon and go "How offensive" it's a freaking game for goodness sake, can we not just keep our real lifes and games seperate

 

[Kahunaburger]

It's quite clear that female Turians either ARE rare, ARE out of site or ARE indistinguishable from male Turians. Why do they need to spell it out for you? Show, don't tell. Is that depiction of female Turians you linked to of fixed and committed canon?

They were both written by game writers. If you look at the big picture, it's literally that they wrote the lore such that you'd expect to run into female Turians in-game, but you never do because... well...

They're all males in the game. We usually... try and avoid the females, 'cause... what do you do with a female Turian? Give her breasts, put lipstick on her?

Like that is seriously the closest thing I've seen to an official justification for why there are no female Turians in Mass Effect.

What is the matter with having a character that wasn't totally combat focused? It's not like there weren't female in the Mass Effect universe who were very combat focused (Jack). What is the huge problem? Miranda still fights, but Bioware were sloppy about it, surprise surprise. Mass Effect games ARE sloppy, if you peel away the edges everything falls apart. This is why I can't understand the outrage over the Mass Effect 3 ending, it's not like this is the Citizen Kane of video games, this is a rushed cheeto-munching game. But they aren't sexist. They aren't misogynistic. Just incompetent.

I think it's a little of column A, a little of column C. I wouldn't call Bioware "misogynistic," though. I doubt they intend to be sexist.

It's not so implausible, please don't be so patronising like wearing high heels totally disables a person. From what I can gather Miranda is no discrete and efficient killing machine, she is very much about style and flair, the trailer for her she is pointing a pistol one handed cocking it slightly at an angle.

Look, I get that you like the idea of soldiers fighting in high heels, but that tends not to happen IRL. Just as an experiment, put on some heels, grab a gun-sized object in both hands, put on a backpack filled with something of equivalent weight to whatever you think gear weighs in the Mass Effect universe, find some rocky dirt somewhere, and try running. Be sure to post pics.

 

[Treblaine]

Your aunt had them once right? I like how you personalize this conflict about how we sex mythical beings. My "enter relative" had "enter procedure" so you are disrespecting them. No I'm not.

You know why we don't know if the sisters even have a gender? Because the sisters never have offspring nor do they have male counterparts. My point here is these are immortal, never dying beings that are made up of blacks smoke, have horrible 4 armed and 4 breasted bodies and somehow are all related to each other. So they are one and the same species yet they are female? Why? Isn't it just symbolism?

You know why Zeus is a man? Because when he bonks another god that is a woman a baby pops out. You know why he is a man? Because he has the appearance of one.
You know why he is a man? Because in the GoW universe Gods are basically magicians.

So if it's a god that walks, talks and quacks like a human male, it probably is a male.

Well then if you KNOW the gender of the mythical beasts, please do tell me was that manticore you fought a male or a female. Based on which characteristics.

Also nice try with the Southern court thing, a typical American argument, the south is after all synonymous with Retard for you people. So nice go there being both insulting and hypocritical in the same sentence there buddy.

Guess what, that man suffered from Androgen insensitivity syndrome. Unless you provide a link I have no idea what that man looks like, nor the severity of his condition. However here is the thing, a man with Androgen insensitivity syndrome is still man. No matter the physical properties.

Here is the reason why that man was sent to a Male Prison. Because he still had the balls. A transsexual that has not undergone a complete treatment will be housed in the prison of their original gender. They will also be put into protective custody for their own safety. So either your story is complete bullshit "Cough" no link "Cough" or the prison and legal system horribly neglected their job.

So if a woman is born without a uterus, you'd be happy to tell her to her face she isn't a woman? Right?

I think not. I think you'd be ashamed to say it even here. And rightly so. Your contrived definitions of gender are so trite and myopic.

How can you be so trite as to say "well I can't be sure if she'd a woman till she's had a child" even though she is distinctly female. Are you blind? DO you not understand the term SISTER?!

"You know why Zeus is a man? Because he has the appearance of one."

WHOA!! back dafaq up! This is a huge freaking backtrack, you said that female characters don't count because they aren't human, but now you can say Zeus is a man because he looks like one!?!?

"So if it's a god that walks, talks and quacks like a human male, it probably is a male."

Could I dare to entertain this non-sexist notion:

"So if it's a god that walks, talks and quacks like a human female, it probably is a female."

----

"Also nice try with the Southern court"

I said SOUTH America, because that IS where I heard it happened. That's Brazil, Argentina, Chile and so on but I couldn't remember which particular country. Not the Deep South, not Florida.

"However here is the thing, a man with Androgen insensitivity syndrome is still man. "

Nope. A "man" with a Vagina, no penis at all and full mammary glands? That's crazy. You want her sharing a prison with rapists because "trolololol, XY chromosome!" in the prison showers they aren't going to care about XY chromosomes.

"Here is the reason why that man was sent to a Male Prison. Because he still had the balls."

Yes, inside her body where an XX-woman's ovaries would be. A doctor performing a post-mortem autopsy would have to send a biopsy off to a lab to tell the difference between.

"Protective custody" in most prisons is nothing but being put in the solitary confinement cells 24/7 being fed cold leftovers from the canteen when and if the guards get round to delivering it.

You're totally clueless and jsut digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole.

 

[1337mokro]

Your aunt had them once right? I like how you personalize this conflict about how we sex mythical beings. My "enter relative" had "enter procedure" so you are disrespecting them. No I'm not.

You know why we don't know if the sisters even have a gender? Because the sisters never have offspring nor do they have male counterparts. My point here is these are immortal, never dying beings that are made up of blacks smoke, have horrible 4 armed and 4 breasted bodies and somehow are all related to each other. So they are one and the same species yet they are female? Why? Isn't it just symbolism?

You know why Zeus is a man? Because when he bonks another god that is a woman a baby pops out. You know why he is a man? Because he has the appearance of one.
You know why he is a man? Because in the GoW universe Gods are basically magicians.

So if it's a god that walks, talks and quacks like a human male, it probably is a male.

Well then if you KNOW the gender of the mythical beasts, please do tell me was that manticore you fought a male or a female. Based on which characteristics.

Also nice try with the Southern court thing, a typical American argument, the south is after all synonymous with Retard for you people. So nice go there being both insulting and hypocritical in the same sentence there buddy.

Guess what, that man suffered from Androgen insensitivity syndrome. Unless you provide a link I have no idea what that man looks like, nor the severity of his condition. However here is the thing, a man with Androgen insensitivity syndrome is still man. No matter the physical properties.

Here is the reason why that man was sent to a Male Prison. Because he still had the balls. A transsexual that has not undergone a complete treatment will be housed in the prison of their original gender. They will also be put into protective custody for their own safety. So either your story is complete bullshit "Cough" no link "Cough" or the prison and legal system horribly neglected their job.

So if a woman is born without a uterus, you'd be happy to tell her to her face she isn't a woman? Right?

I think not. I think you'd be ashamed to say it even here. And rightly so. Your contrived definitions of gender are so trite and myopic.

How can you be so trite as to say "well I can't be sure if she'd a woman till she's had a child" even though she is distinctly female. Are you blind? DO you not understand the term SISTER?!

"You know why Zeus is a man? Because he has the appearance of one."

WHOA!! back dafaq up! This is a huge freaking backtrack, you said that female characters don't count because they aren't human, but now you can say Zeus is a man because he looks like one!?!?

"So if it's a god that walks, talks and quacks like a human male, it probably is a male."

Could I dare to entertain this non-sexist notion:

"So if it's a god that walks, talks and quacks like a human female, it probably is a female."

----

"Also nice try with the Southern court"

I said SOUTH America, because that IS where I heard it happened. That's Brazil, Argentina, Chile and so on but I couldn't remember which particular country. Not the Deep South, not Florida.

"However here is the thing, a man with Androgen insensitivity syndrome is still man. "

Nope. A "man" with a Vagina, no penis at all and full mammary glands? That's crazy. You want her sharing a prison with rapists because "trolololol, XY chromosome!" in the prison showers they aren't going to care about XY chromosomes.

"Here is the reason why that man was sent to a Male Prison. Because he still had the balls."

Yes, inside her body where an XX-woman's ovaries would be. A doctor performing a post-mortem autopsy would have to send a biopsy off to a lab to tell the difference between.

"Protective custody" in most prisons is nothing but being put in the solitary confinement cells 24/7 being fed cold leftovers from the canteen when and if the guards get round to delivering it.

You're totally clueless and just digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole.

I'm just going to ignore everything. Please read back a bit and you see why about 85% of what you wrote is completely redundant. I am just going to address the bit that is actually worth my time.

I already stated. All the Gods count as humans, because they are basically humans with magical powers. This includes Athena and any other female goddesses. Never have I said a Goddess didn't count.

This does NOT include the sisters, because 2 of the sisters are not human, one is a giant blob the other consists of smoke and like I already stated in another post. You might have had a good point with the first sister being human like, if she wasn't related to the other two.

So yeah. Instead of reading the posts you just went off on a rant for about 3-4 posts of flopping around uselessly about a subject completely different than the one of the thread.

Also I am still waiting on your thesis on how we can differentiate the sex of a manticore.

If you make a 5th post you get an American Literacy Badge. I liked the image, that was awesome.

PS: No he wouldn't. In fact if a doctor confused testes with ovaries he should have his license revoked. I have seen them both and let me tell you, they are basically day and night.

 

[Treblaine]

"wouldn't platform shoes be a lot more comfortable? (than high heels)"

Platform shoes give the same amount of elevation, the point is once the heels are raised then the whole body is raised up, raising the toes doesn't help. At least with only high heels the toes one can more closely angle forces by leaning on either side of the balls of the feet. With platform shoes ANY lateral force just causes the ankle to buckle. I think that's the problem, not that the toes are pointed more down, but how the ankle is higher from the ground lateral forces put more strain on that joint. Toes low to the ground help while retaining elevation.

I'm sorry, are you actually arguing that platform shoes are less comfortable than high heels?
EDIT: If so, that's bullshit. (Added if so because I'm not quite sure what you're arguing here.
As a not too frequent wearer of high heels, I can tell you that they hurt like fuck if you walk around in them for too long.
I'm told by some older women that they hurt less the more you wear them but I've been wearing them on and off since I was sixteen so I'm beginning to think that's a lie.
Platforms are very comfortable by comparison, but it's been a while since I wore any of those.

I'm mainly talking the ergonomics of stability for the practicality of moving quickly in a gunfight. I'm talking ability to transfer leg movement to the ground to move the body, high heels over platforms.

But I'll agree with you that women's high heel shoes are diabolical. A cursory examination of most women's high heel shoes it's quite clear they are built for style with virtually NO consideration for comfort. Hard base, rigid shape, no toe-flex, one-size-fits-no-one with no straps to adjust, no shock absorbency. They are bad enough if flat but inclining the foot the foot slides down crushing the toes and rotation is impossible to prevent.

But with platform shoes, a lot of that is avoided but every step the foot must plant straight down, if you try to turn quickly and try pushing to the side the elevation puts a strong levering force on the ankle. The human ankle is not designed to be that far from the point of interaction with the ground.

I hear from my sister that comfortable AND stylish high heels exist but they inexplicably cost $400'000 to wear for 12 seconds because the women's fashion industry is run like a fucking Columbian drug cartel as fas as she can tell.

But lets isolate the terrible design aspects and focus on how Miranda could get actually GOOD shoes in the far future. Get some comfy old trainers and attack (superglue?) a triangular block under the heel, how comfortable are those? That is isolating the sole factor of raised heels.

I still don't get women and shoes... and I don't want to sound like a stand up comedian with "women are different from guys, huh?" but seriously, I cannot fathom why woman wear shoes like those. Is it a height thing? That's the only thing I can think of. Why wear such things, and pay so much for them? For such painful things?!?!

 

[Treblaine]

It's quite clear that female Turians either ARE rare, ARE out of site or ARE indistinguishable from male Turians. Why do they need to spell it out for you? Show, don't tell. Is that depiction of female Turians you linked to of fixed and committed canon?

They were both written by game writers. If you look at the big picture, it's literally that they wrote the lore such that you'd expect to run into female Turians in-game, but you never do because... well...

They're all males in the game. We usually... try and avoid the females, 'cause... what do you do with a female Turian? Give her breasts, put lipstick on her?

Like that is seriously the closest thing I've seen to an official justification for why there are no female Turians in Mass Effect.

What is the matter with having a character that wasn't totally combat focused? It's not like there weren't female in the Mass Effect universe who were very combat focused (Jack). What is the huge problem? Miranda still fights, but Bioware were sloppy about it, surprise surprise. Mass Effect games ARE sloppy, if you peel away the edges everything falls apart. This is why I can't understand the outrage over the Mass Effect 3 ending, it's not like this is the Citizen Kane of video games, this is a rushed cheeto-munching game. But they aren't sexist. They aren't misogynistic. Just incompetent.

I think it's a little of column A, a little of column C. I wouldn't call Bioware "misogynistic," though. I doubt they intend to be sexist.

It's not so implausible, please don't be so patronising like wearing high heels totally disables a person. From what I can gather Miranda is no discrete and efficient killing machine, she is very much about style and flair, the trailer for her she is pointing a pistol one handed cocking it slightly at an angle.

Look, I get that you like the idea of soldiers fighting in high heels, but that tends not to happen IRL. Just as an experiment, put on some heels, grab a gun-sized object in both hands, put on a backpack filled with something of equivalent weight to whatever you think gear weighs in the Mass Effect universe, find some rocky dirt somewhere, and try running. Be sure to post pics.

I made myself clear on the Turian thing and you've just ignored what I said and then repeated what you said before.

Miranda is no soldier, she's got a gun but a soldier is something else. But I just don't want to be that jerk who is like "no silly woman, you can't do the important stuff of fighting if you wear high heels"

I DO NOT like the idea of her wearing high heels, but I understand many women inexplicably really like to wear them, even though guys REALLY DO NOT CARE AT ALL! How many times do us guys have to say this I DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT YOUR SHOES WOMAN!! But ladies, you do what you like, whatever you want, you want to wear high heels, that's fine. I'm not going to be a jerk who says "no high heels for you" or "high heels not allowed in here"

Miranda wore a heavy backpack in the games? I saw youtube footage she was wielding a pistol and rifle that seemed to be made of some space age material that made them as light as Styrofoam as the weapons had no heft or momentum to them. Look like that's what the animation had based weapons on nerf gun weight. Actually, doesn't this "mass effect" technology allow certain things to have relatively far less or far more mass as you want it?

I mean I've come to terms with Raiden and Vamp wearing high heels. Again. You have ignored this point.

Raiden.

I dare you, no I double dare you mother hubbard, mention Raiden's high heels in the next reply. Just mention it one gosh darn time! Go on!

 

[Phasmal]

I'm mainly talking the ergonomics of stability for the practicality of moving quickly in a gunfight. I'm talking ability to transfer leg movement to the ground to move the body, high heels over platforms.

As a lady who has worn both platforms and high heels (though the last time I wore platforms was when I was fifteen and trying to sneak onto a rollercoaster I wasnt tall enough for), I can honestly say running in platforms would be easier.

I hear from my sister that comfortable AND stylish high heels exist but they inexplicably cost $400'000 to wear for 12 seconds because the women's fashion industry is run like a fucking Columbian drug cartel as fas as she can tell.

As many ladies in my life have said to me whilst hurting me to make me look pretty, `Beauty is pain`.
High heels hurt. Some people say they are so used to them that they don't. I wish I was one of those people.

But lets isolate the terrible design aspects and focus on how Miranda could get actually GOOD shoes in the far future. Get some comfy old trainers and attack (superglue?) a triangular block under the heel, how comfortable are those? That is isolating the sole factor of raised heels..

What like a wedge?
Heels are painful because they tend to push all your weight onto the balls of your feet. Try walking on the balls of your feet for ages. It would be the same with a trianglar block under the heel.

I still don't get women and shoes... and I don't want to sound like a stand up comedian with "women are different from guys, huh?" but seriously, I cannot fathom why woman wear shoes like those. Is it a height thing? That's the only thing I can think of. Why wear such things, and pay so much for them? For such painful things?!?!

No, it's not (always) a height thing. My sister is 6 foot tall and she still wears heels. Shorter ones though.
There are many reasons to wear heels.
It can smarten up an outfit that wouldn't look as smart with flats (example- I don't own a lot of shoes, I have winter boots, trainers and heels. Recently I had to go to a funeral. A pair of short black heels were the smartest thing I could wear on my feet).
To be honest a lot of people don't even know why they wear heels. It's been socialised that it's just what women do. So they do.
Or just because they want to. Heels make you taller and give you a different posture that many people see as more feminine.

Heels do hurt, but not always. And they can make you feel good, I feel more attractive and more confident in heels. I'm sure many people do.

 

[Treblaine]

So if a woman is born without a uterus, you'd be happy to tell her to her face she isn't a woman? Right?

I think not. I think you'd be ashamed to say it even here. And rightly so. Your contrived definitions of gender are so trite and myopic.

How can you be so trite as to say "well I can't be sure if she'd a woman till she's had a child" even though she is distinctly female. Are you blind? DO you not understand the term SISTER?!

"You know why Zeus is a man? Because he has the appearance of one."

WHOA!! back dafaq up! This is a huge freaking backtrack, you said that female characters don't count because they aren't human, but now you can say Zeus is a man because he looks like one!?!?

"So if it's a god that walks, talks and quacks like a human male, it probably is a male."

Could I dare to entertain this non-sexist notion:

"So if it's a god that walks, talks and quacks like a human female, it probably is a female."

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"Also nice try with the Southern court"

I said SOUTH America, because that IS where I heard it happened. That's Brazil, Argentina, Chile and so on but I couldn't remember which particular country. Not the Deep South, not Florida.

"However here is the thing, a man with Androgen insensitivity syndrome is still man. "

Nope. A "man" with a Vagina, no penis at all and full mammary glands? That's crazy. You want her sharing a prison with rapists because "trolololol, XY chromosome!" in the prison showers they aren't going to care about XY chromosomes.

"Here is the reason why that man was sent to a Male Prison. Because he still had the balls."

Yes, inside her body where an XX-woman's ovaries would be. A doctor performing a post-mortem autopsy would have to send a biopsy off to a lab to tell the difference between.

"Protective custody" in most prisons is nothing but being put in the solitary confinement cells 24/7 being fed cold leftovers from the canteen when and if the guards get round to delivering it.

You're totally clueless and just digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole.

I'm just going to ignore everything. Please read back a bit and you see why about 85% of what you wrote is completely redundant. I am just going to address the bit that is actually worth my time.

I already stated. All the Gods count as humans, because they are basically humans with magical powers. This includes Athena and any other female goddesses. Never have I said a Goddess didn't count.

This does NOT include the sisters, because 2 of the sisters are not human, one is a giant blob the other consists of smoke and like I already stated in another post. You might have had a good point with the first sister being human like, if she wasn't related to the other two.

So yeah. Instead of reading the posts you just went off on a rant for about 3-4 posts of flopping around uselessly about a subject completely different than the one of the thread.

Also I am still waiting on your thesis on how we can differentiate the sex of a manticore.

If you make a 5th post you get an American Literacy Badge. I liked the image, that was awesome.

PS: No he wouldn't. In fact if a doctor confused testes with ovaries he should have his license revoked. I have seen them both and let me tell you, they are basically day and night.

Hey, I'm not the one ignoring stuff. You go back and read WHAT I WROTE and don't ignore the parts that contradict your confirmational bias.

The title Sisters and other feminine features and lack of masculine features clearly make them female. It hardly makes them male does it.

"Also I am still waiting on your thesis on how we can differentiate the sex of a manticore."

Why should we? Just because I don't know if a cat I see crossing the street is male or female, that doesn't mean it does not have any gender at all. Could be male could be female.

"In fact if a doctor confused testes with ovaries he should have his license revoked."

Lol, you're acting like you are qualified to have a doctor's medical licence revoked. Wow. Arrogant much? Easy to be hard to distinguish when finding the testes inside a woman's abdomen where a woman's ovaries would be. And I never said "confuse" I said "need a biopsy to tell the difference".