God of War Team "Pulling Back" From Violence Against Women

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Aiddon_v1legacy

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probably won't work, but at least they wanna try. The GoW series has always had HORRENDOUSLY misogynistic overtones from the very beginning with most women cast members either being objectified or victimized. No wonder Jaffe is divorced if that's how he treated women in his games.
 

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Buretsu said:
Oh, god damn it. In other words "We've decided to use sexism to fight sexism".
Unfortunately this.

You know...they could have just done this without announcing to us they were doing this. How many people would have really noticed if in the next game Kratos didn't happen to brutally murder some woman? I sure wouldn't. In fact, until reading this article, I wouldn't have even guessed this was an issue. Who played that game and thought "oh, Kratos shouldn't be hurting that woman!" He kills men and women alike.

So what does it say that he'll treat women better but still be brutal to men? What does that even mean?
 

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I can at least understand a "no more sexy-time mini-games" proposal, but the only way I can even remotely see this working for him as a character is if he has flashbacks to his wife and daughter before doing anything to a female bystander.

Question though - when the sequels inevitably cover all of Greek mythology and he comes across Hippolyta and the Amazons (which I'm pretty sure hasn't been covered yet in the series), what exactly is he going to do? I mean, they're a warrior nation: I doubt even they would consider "talking things out," especially with a man (now THERE's some gender issue for ya).
 

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Did I get this straight? They'll stop having Kratos be an equalist mass murderer and now just kill men?

What sexist gits! Next thing you know, in the next Elder Scrolls if you hit a female character-->instant game over.
 

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Kratos is without a doubt one of the most unappealing protagonists in video game history. I'm not even talking about his treatment of women; his treatment of men is little better. He murders the innocent for selfish, stupid goals. He's a sociopathic madman and a representation of everything that is wrong with humanity.

Screw Kratos. If I had the disposable income I'd buy one of his games just to force him to stand still while the first level boss murders him over and over.
 

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As gaming becomes more mainstream, and the development costs balloon - forcing big budget developers to seek an ever wider audience--games and gaming culture are forced to start considering societal norms and standards. As companies become known to the general public, they are forced to consider what their products are telling the public about them and their ethos. It's an inevitable, fundamental shift, and even if you don't personally view it as a good thing, it shouldn't come as a surprise. I do view it as a good thing in general, although the early steps taken, including this one, are pretty bumbling and inept. Games and gaming culture do have serious issues with underlying currents of pretty vicious sexism, as evidenced by the embarrassing parade of practically weekly debacles lately, and moves like this are the awkward flailing of a homebody dragged out into the light desperately trying to clean themselves up before anyone else sees them looking so disheveled.

As for treating violence against men and women differently, well without defending this particular case (honestly, did we need any particular reason to shake our heads at the blatant wringing of a tired old cash cow long past the point of any real innovation?), violence against men and violence against women do have significantly different connotations, not because of any reality within the game--which might be an immersive imaginary world without millenia long legacies of sexism where men and women might be treated completely equally by the game's idealized fictional society--but rather because the games themselves exist as physical objects within a world where sexism and oppression of women is very much a real thing, both historically and today, around the world and 'here' in wherever 'here' happens to be for you.
 

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God bloody bashed in faces damnit. Don't people realise these are works of fiction and are free to be interpreted by the audience in any way they want. Probably somebody is going to use this to reinforce their beliefs that women should be removed from the earth entirely. You can't hold the studio responsible for the actions of the delirious, the studio have expressed their position on the matter and that should count not their what the thought some people gather or are reinforced by their works after all it's not like media (fictional literary works) should cause emotional responses in the audience?
 

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Cause remember that violence against men is okay, something I'll keep in mind should we ever meet.
 

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Buretsu said:
Oh, god damn it. In other words "We've decided to use sexism to fight sexism".
Really, it's more "we can't understand nuance, so we're going to scale back on all types of (X) because we don't understand why people objected to (X) in (product Y) and (Product Z)."
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Buretsu said:
Oh, god damn it. In other words "We've decided to use sexism to fight sexism".
Really, it's more "we can't understand nuance, so we're going to scale back on all types of (X) because we don't understand why people objected to (X) in (product Y) and (Product Z)."
I agree that this is essentially what's happening, although the IGN interview with Hewitt doesn't really make it sound like the GoW team is actually going to change much at all.

More importantly: That's a great graphic for the article. I would definitely play a game in which a Fat Princess lays the smack down on Kratos.
 

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Well, it's nice that they wanna address this, but in some ways this could be seen as patronizing to women...

I guess it would make sense with an old fashioned honorable fighter kinda Kratos, if that's what they're going for.
 

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I'll add that as far as domestic violence goes every 15 seconds a women is brutalized by it.

How often are men brutalized by domestic violence you may ask. Every 15 seconds.

I thought my previous post was absurd enough not to be taken seriously but hey text doesn't always translate that across the net so i'll focus on serious points.

Kratos is a murdering nut job. Hes a fun character to play but has nothing redeeming about him after the first game. To reign him in and to a lesser extent try to moralize him does a disservice to what he could be used for. The first game ends with him aiming to kill himself because he can't deal with the guilt of what hes done. Hes really pathetic when you get down to it. Now he's a thing and I kind of wish Sony would leave GOW be.

I am glad to see people upset about this. Especially because with this we are talking about fake people here. If i crash a fake plane into a fake building the only thing i did was fake murder a bunch of fake people.

I doubt on a fundamental level that the devs are actually changing anything. More so this is a PR move brought about because of Tropes VS Women and the Tomb Raider debacle.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Buretsu said:
Oh, god damn it. In other words "We've decided to use sexism to fight sexism".
Really, it's more "we can't understand nuance, so we're going to scale back on all types of (X) because we don't understand why people objected to (X) in (product Y) and (Product Z)."
This.

(Although it's not exactly fair to expect the God of War team to understand concepts like nuance or context.)
 

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/headdesk

Really, people?
This is your response?

I mean don't get me wrong this come across as kind of silly and pointless given what a murdering bastard Kratos is in general. But really? People are getting this hacked off by being told that they won't be able to brutally murder women in a video game?

Who. Fucking. Cares!?
I mean are you sliding your God of War discs into licking your lips in anticipation of getting to use a defenseless woman as a door jam here?

I mean its not like Kratos has even had a damn character arc where his brutal-rage-violence actually meant something important to the story since the first game anyways.

Hell if it means Kratos gets some form of character development beyond "Me Kratos, me maim anything that look at me funny" then this could actually be a good thing.
 

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Okay, wait a minute. I'm pretty sure I'm feminist, and specifically because of that, I think women should be in the violence parts of video games. Enemies should be male and female. Women shouldn't get a pass because OMG IF YOU DO ANYTHING BAD TO A GIRL IN A GAME IT'S SEXIST.

No, it isn't. It's a double-standard, just in the opposite direction as usual. Good grief. Stop overcompensating.
 

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It makes sense to me. As he progressed through the series he got more and more brutal and insane. Stands to reason that, in a prequel, he wouldn't have sunk as far yet.

Would be interesting to watch his doomed struggle to hold onto his morality early on.
 

Nantucket_v1legacy

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In a game, if a woman is just as much a threat as a man then do not hesitate to attack.
As long as there is no meaningless woman slaughtering then does it matter?